Heart Shaped Sticker And Duct Tape #3

[Chezhire]

Chez, I agree, and thank you for pointing out that possibility. But in support of HP's theory, it is unlikely that a sticker backing cut out for later use in scrapbooking would be kept in a shoebox with an old letter to Caylee rather than, for example, with other scrapbooking supplies.

It is the location that makes me think this is a "keepsake" cut-out backing rather than a "for later scrapbooking use" cut-out backing.

I agree - I just want confirmation CASEY placed them there and not someone else... a la Cindy the neat-knick. I can so see Cindy rearranging Casey's things (another point of contention/power struggle for them: Cindy: "pick up your room or I'll do it for you!" Casey: "don't you dare touch my things!," etc.)

 

[AZlawyer]

Scenario 1: KC the Innocent is doing some fun scrapbooking, and decides to cut out the backing of a sticker so she can later use the "frame" part over Caylee's face in a pretty scrapbook page. She looks around...where oh where to keep this little sticker backing for later use? Oh, I know, I will put it in a shoebox in my closet hidden away with old Caylee stuff. :waitasec:

Scenario 2: KC the murderous b---- (or negligent but mostly loving mom) uses a heart sticker over the duct tape on her dead or soon-to-be-dead child's mouth for whatever reason (see earlier posts for lots of opinions). But she can't just toss the backer (if already cut out) or leave it there on the page, because it is SPECIAL and she does not want to forget (because she is evil or remorseful or grieving). So she cuts it out all pretty and then looks around...where oh where to keep this little sticker backing so whenever I want to think of Caylee I will remember? Oh, I know, I will put it in a shoebox in my closet hidden away with old Caylee stuff. :clap:

 

[Rumpole]

Don't get me wrong - I want it to be what it appears to be as badly as you do NOR am I saying LE shouldn't have taken these as potential bits of evidence. (I'd have taken them, too!) But as I posted earlier in this thread we'd need to know some more information first: We'd need to now more about Casey's scrapbooking/sticker usage, plus whether or not SHE (as opposed to neat-knick Cindy) actually placed these items in that box (as I know a few people who, while still living at home had their belongings incessantly rearranged by their parents, much to their chagrin.) I'm looking for the "supporting information" that can be used to buttress these items' value to the case.

Yes, but until LE know all that, they have to work on the assumption that that backing piece is potentially significant.

Don't know about you, but if there is any useful chemical or other info on the ahesive residue the FIRST SECOND AND THIRD place I would look for a match is that single sticker backing.

 

[Chezhire]

Scenario 1: KC the Innocent is doing some fun scrapbooking, and decides to cut out the backing of a sticker so she can later use the "frame" part over Caylee's face in a pretty scrapbook page. She looks around...where oh where to keep this little sticker backing for later use? Oh, I know, I will put it in a shoebox in my closet hidden away with old Caylee stuff. :waitasec:

Scenario 2: KC the murderous b---- (or negligent but mostly loving mom) uses a heart sticker over the duct tape on her dead or soon-to-be-dead child's mouth for whatever reason (see earlier posts for lots of opinions). But she can't just toss the backer (if already cut out) or leave it there on the page, because it is SPECIAL and she does not want to forget (because she is evil or remorseful or grieving). So she cuts it out all pretty and then looks around...where oh where to keep this little sticker backing so whenever I want to think of Caylee I will remember? Oh, I know, I will put it in a shoebox in my closet hidden away with old Caylee stuff. :clap:

or Scenario 3: Cindy puts Casey's stuff away-any where she can stick stuff just so long as it doesn't clutter up wherever Casey left it lying about.
Just sayin...

 

[AZlawyer]

Hey, what does it say on the label on the side of that box??

Looks like "Caylee's ......"

Anyone???

 

[nyvictoria]

I'm confused :waitasec: FBI states in report dated 12/22:

Q62 - Q64 Tape
"The Q62 - Q64 pieces of tape were examined for the presence of any stickers. No stickers or sticker fragments were observed on these items."

pg. 3798 (pg. 56 in this link)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles
3743-3801redacted.pdf

Now...Q62, 63, 64 appear to be sample taken from KC's car. If this is a typo and FBI meant Q162, 163, 164 these are "black plastic" found at remains site.


Could JB be using this to say that there was no residue found on the tape??

 

[Chezhire]

Don't get me wrong - I want it to be what it appears to be as badly as you do NOR am I saying LE shouldn't have taken these as potential bits of evidence. (I'd have taken them, too!) But as I posted earlier in this thread we'd need to know some more information first: We'd need to now more about Casey's scrapbooking/sticker usage, plus whether or not SHE (as opposed to neat-knick Cindy) actually placed these items in that box (as I know a few people who, while still living at home had their belongings incessantly rearranged by their parents, much to their chagrin.) I'm looking for the "supporting information" that can be used to buttress these items' value to the case.

Yes, but until LE know all that, they have to work on the assumption that that backing piece is potentially significant.

Don't know about you, but if there is any useful chemical or other info on the ahesive residue the FIRST SECOND AND THIRD place I would look for a match is that single sticker backing.

ITA - which is why I said what I said in my earlier post-see bolded portion. :blowkiss: As an attorney I'm just thinking/writing out loud about how I'd be handling this if I were JBaez... and we all know Cindy will lie for Casey, so I hope LE gets to questioning Cindy pronto about a few of these issues, if they haven't already.

 

[Rumpole]

or Scenario 3: Cindy puts Casey's stuff away-any where she can stick stuff just so long as it doesn't clutter up wherever Casey left it lying about.
Just sayin...

Scenario 4. Zanny has the sheet of stickers and plants them in KC's room in the places that LE found them.
Like everybody that knows KC she knows "hearts" will point to KC

 

[Chezhire]

:laugh:

Scenario 4. Zanny has the sheet of stickers and plants them in KC's room in the places that LE found them.
Like everybody that knows KC she knows "hearts" will point to KC

that made me laugh, HP.

 

[Rumpole]

Hey, what does it say on the label on the side of that box??

Looks like "Caylee's ......"

Anyone???

Well spotted.

My eyes and/or computer not up to seeing it.

I hope someone else can

 

[elissabee]

I am really surprised more WSers aren't talking about the possibility that the duct tape sticker may not be a scrapbooking sticker at all, but a cell phone sticker. The sticker on that duct tape looks like a "gel" sticker, made of plastic, with super sticky adhesive for embellishing cell phones, like these.

Or, if you prefer, like these stickers on Amy H's phone.

 

[bailee]

I am really surprised more WSers aren't talking about the possibility that the duct tape sticker may not be a scrapbooking sticker at all, but a cell phone sticker. The sticker on that duct tape looks like a "gel" sticker, made of plastic, with super sticky adhesive for embellishing cell phones, like these.

Or, if you prefer, like these stickers on Amy H's phone.

Good catch, so are there 2 stickers, and did they collect another one also? Or are they just looking for a match from her collection to the adhesive they found on the duct tape?

 

[Rumpole]

I am really surprised more WSers aren't talking about the possibility that the duct tape sticker may not be a scrapbooking sticker at all, but a cell phone sticker. The sticker on that duct tape looks like a "gel" sticker, made of plastic, with super sticky adhesive for embellishing cell phones, like these.

Or, if you prefer, like these stickers on Amy H's phone.

That was discussed. Pic examples were posted. All too small. Can you give any size indication for the ones in the pic?

 

[Rumpole]

Good catch, so are there 2 stickers, and did they collect another one also? Or are they just looking for a match from her collection to the adhesive they found on the duct tape?

One sticker on cardboard plus one adhesive shape on duct tape.

Same sizes 3/4"

 

[elissabee]

That was discussed. Pic examples were posted. All too small. Can you give any size indication for the ones in the pic?

These gel stickers come in all different sizes. My point is that the sticker found at the scene appears to be of this type, not the flat paper stickers that were photographed in the A's home. But, see the attached alternate photo of the pic I posted before. There is a penny shown for size comparison.

 

[elissabee]

One sticker on cardboard plus one adhesive shape on duct tape.

Same sizes 3/4"

Do we know for a fact that the sticker was found stuck to the cardboard? Or was it simply photographed on a piece of debris? How would a sticker be stuck to that rotted piece of cardboard? I assumed the investigators placed the sticker on that brown thing just for ease of photographing.

 

[Rumpole]

These gel stickers come in all different sizes. My point is that the sticker found at the scene appears to be of this type, not the flat paper stickers that were photographed in the A's home. But, see the attached alternate photo of the pic I posted before. There is a penny shown for size comparison.

That would help a lot if I wuz a yank, but the coin means nothing to me LOL

The wider point is the bubble sticker evidence is on card board. Not likely to have fallen off duct tape, then reglued and the moved a large distance to the outer edges of the search?

 

[Rumpole]

Do we know for a fact that the sticker was found stuck to the cardboard? Or was it simply photographed on a piece of debris? How would a sticker be stuck to that rotted piece of cardboard? I assumed the investigators placed the sticker on that brown thing just for ease of photographing.

LE don't make up deceptive montages of unrelated pieces of evidence. They really don't!

 

[christee]

OK, I guess we can say there are 2 possibilities:

1) The One-Sticker Theory: The puffy pink sticker photographed at the scene is, in fact, the same sticker that was stuck to the duct tape. It later got stuck to the cardboard matting. The sticker backing that was carefully cut out and saved in the shoebox is unrelated.

2) The Two-Sticker Theory: The puffy pink sticker photographed at the scene, which was stuck to the cardboard matting, was never stuck to the duct tape. There was another sticker stuck to the duct tape, probably the one that went with the cut-out backing in the shoebox. That second sticker was just made of paper and disintegrated long before LE showed up at the scene.

I'll go with possibility #2

JMO

 

[Rumpole]

These gel stickers come in all different sizes. My point is that the sticker found at the scene appears to be of this type, not the flat paper stickers that were photographed in the A's home. But, see the attached alternate photo of the pic I posted before. There is a penny shown for size comparison.

Have you got a ruler or measuring tape?