GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #1

[heartgoesout]

Has anyone read or heard of him defending himself?
Any family members/friends coming to his defense? His parents?
I've not seen anything. Seems very quiet.

 

[Kapua]

Do you think he actually used his truck at all that night? If she had just used her truck and then he wouldn't need to worry about two trucks. He could've just used hers for everything.

If he was going to play "my truck broke down" with Charli, he would have had to park it where she would not see it. But otherwise, yes, he could have used her vehicle for everything.

Another scenario I was thinking of today, looking at a Maui map, is that he put the body in a location farther up the road, toward Haiku, and then backtracked to drop the clothes off, just in case the clothing was found and identified. He claims to have lost sight of her headlights at Twin Falls. There's a few side roads there. If he wanted his alibi to be even 10% credible, perhaps he'd have left the body somewhere along Honopou Rd.

Or he could have let Nala out in the yard to play with Chunk, drugged Charli, buried her or dropped her in a ravine somewhere in Haiku, then taken Nala and Charli's clothing for a ride to Nahiku.

What I need to know is this: Was Charli in the habit of leaving her cell phone in her SUV? I have friends who put their cell phone in the glove box/center console of their vehicles when they are driving. Also, at what time did Charli, or Charli's phone, leave Haiku and start up the Hana Hwy.? The cell phone records, again will tell the tale. If they left right away, then maybe she went along with his "my truck got stuck" story; if the phone indicates that the ride up Hana Hwy. occurred at 10 PM or later then I'm thinking that Charli is still in Haiku.

 

[speedy1963]

I have not seen anything on his family defending him, his mother has passed away so its mainly is grandparent and godparents. I also wonder why SC has not made any comments or shown emotion about the death of Joshua, being upset. If we take SC out of the picture and just try to profile the "killer" its tough since there is no crime scene to look for clues, body placement etc. motive, no similarities in other cases of missing females on maui.

 

[Kapua]

I have not seen anything on his family defending him, his mother has passed away so its mainly is grandparent and godparents. I also wonder why SC has not made any comments or shown emotion about the death of Joshua, being upset. If we take SC out of the picture and just try to profile the "killer" its tough since there is no crime scene to look for clues, body placement etc. motive, no similarities in other cases of missing females on maui.

If you take SC out of the picture and try to imagine a "killer" out looking for prey, then you have to take these facts into consideration: Charli was with her large, protective, pit-bull mix dog, and in her vehicle. A random killer/rapist/mugger would be far more likely, IMHO, to approach a hitchhiker, woman alone at home, woman at bus stop, woman in parking lot, etc. rather than a woman driving down the road with her dog. It makes zero sense. SC had motive and opportunity. Someone else may have had opportunity, but where's the motive? Did Charli have any enemies? Did she owe anyone money? You've seen pics of her SUV. It was a 1997 Toyota 4 Runner with body damage; I don't think it's very high up on the "most stolen vehicle types" list. IMO.

 

[Mamamerced]

If you take SC out of the picture and try to imagine a "killer" out looking for prey, then you have to take these facts into consideration: Charli was with her large, protective, pit-bull mix dog, and in her vehicle. A random killer/rapist/mugger would be far more likely, IMHO, to approach a hitchhiker, woman alone at home, woman at bus stop, woman in parking lot, etc. rather than a woman driving down the road with her dog. It makes zero sense. SC had motive and opportunity. Someone else may have had opportunity, but where's the motive? Did Charli have any enemies? Did she owe anyone money? You've seen pics of her SUV. It was a 1997 Toyota 4 Runner with body damage; I don't think it's very high up on the "most stolen vehicle types" list. IMO.

So many possible scenarios! IMMO..... I still think he likely had help of some sort, if only to remove her car to strip and burn it, after advanced notice by SC.

There are a lot of older cars/trucks on the islands, which are frequently stolen for parts. :moo:

 

[Ghostwheel]

If he was going to play "my truck broke down" with Charli, he would have had to park it where she would not see it. But otherwise, yes, he could have used her vehicle for everything.

Another scenario I was thinking of today, looking at a Maui map, is that he put the body in a location farther up the road, toward Haiku, and then backtracked to drop the clothes off, just in case the clothing was found and identified. He claims to have lost sight of her headlights at Twin Falls. There's a few side roads there. If he wanted his alibi to be even 10% credible, perhaps he'd have left the body somewhere along Honopou Rd.

Or he could have let Nala out in the yard to play with Chunk, drugged Charli, buried her or dropped her in a ravine somewhere in Haiku, then taken Nala and Charli's clothing for a ride to Nahiku.

What I need to know is this: Was Charli in the habit of leaving her cell phone in her SUV? I have friends who put their cell phone in the glove box/center console of their vehicles when they are driving. Also, at what time did Charli, or Charli's phone, leave Haiku and start up the Hana Hwy.? The cell phone records, again will tell the tale. If they left right away, then maybe she went along with his "my truck got stuck" story; if the phone indicates that the ride up Hana Hwy. occurred at 10 PM or later then I'm thinking that Charli is still in Haiku.

The idea of her being closer to Twin Falls makes sense. There is also this set of incredible hidden falls on the north side of the road I think not too far from there where you only have a narrow path to walk on. On either side, it is a near sheer drop off that is covered with brush. If someone was pushed over the edge there, I'd be tough to ever find them. You sure couldn't see them from the top.

 

[Kapua]

So many possible scenarios! IMMO..... I still think he likely had help of some sort, if only to remove her car to strip and burn it, after advanced notice by SC.

There are a lot of older cars/trucks on the islands, which are frequently stolen for parts. :moo:

Sure, but if a person wanted to carjack an occupied vehicle, do you think his first choice would be a 17-year old dented SUV with a pregnant woman and a pit bull mix dog in it?

 

[JungleMama]

Do you think he actually used his truck at all that night? If she had just used her truck and then he wouldn't need to worry about two trucks. He could've just used hers for everything.

I think he didn't use his truck at all. I think only her vehicle was involved so he could ensure any evidence was destroyed with her vehicle.

 

[Chalord of the Rings]

I also heard that the day before the SUV was torched that a MPD officer put an abandoned ticket on her SUV. They somehow didn't make the connection. I grew up in and live in Maui so this is just information passed on by a friend who knows people at MPD. I don't want to say that it is absolutely true though.

In my opinion it seems to me the police screwed up right away when they didn't check Pauwela Lighthouse, K-Bay, or Jaws. These are all notorious places for dumping and burning cars.

It seems that the police would be able to get cell phone tracking records pretty easily to confirm Steve's story. There was a story on 60 minutes last Sunday where the Apps Angry Birds and Ultimate Flashlight are tracking your movement. They sell that information to other companies to make a marketing profile of each person.

[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-data-brokers-selling-your-personal-information/"

If you have a GPS App is it still tracking the phone even if it is not in use?

If they both had smart phones then I would think it would be easy to track their movement. Just my opinion.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

If you have a GPS App is it still tracking the phone even if it is not in use?

Yes. As long as you're receiving email, your cell phone is live. "Airplane mode" turns off all cellular network connections.

 

[Chalord of the Rings]

A GPS App would not use the cellular network though? Is that correct, the App would be using GPS satellites? I am wondering if you have a GPS App on your phone and its not being used, are the satellites still tracking the phone?

 

[Chalord of the Rings]

There also was also a murder at the Pauwela lighthouse on Maui a few years back. A teenager was run over by a truck and killed. It was a party and no one came forward to identify who did it. Everyone on the North Shore and Haiku area knows who did though. The killer probably had a connection to MPD or at least some of his closest friends did. Same police that are trying to solve the Charli Scott case. Someone goes missing there every few years.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2007/07/28/news/story10.html

 

[Chalord of the Rings]

Also the Laura Vogel case where she disappeared from the Paulewa lighthouse and of course police don't find anything. All slightly similar cases where the police can't figure it out and don't ask for any outside help like the FBI. Apparently the culture of MPD is very anti media and they hold things close to the chest.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/0...or-hiker-in-hawaii-family-suspects-foul-play/

 

[Chalord of the Rings]

Also no one has come forward to claim they saw his truck broken down. There are a lot of tourists and some locals that would be traveling that part of Hana highway all day when the truck is supposedly there. No one has come forward to claim they were the person that picked him up hitchhiking from his broken truck the night before. Steve just called him a tweaker. I believe this was in the KHON interview where they blacked out his face and changed his voice. It would seem that he would have a better description of the person who picks you up and you are riding with for at least 45 min to an hour. Just my opinion. Also friends of mine who are(were) friends with him said he hated his picture being taken which is also another strange attribute of SC.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Just a thought…. the dog being found so far away from where the car was located is something that just does not make sense to me. Considering that SC, from what I can gather, is basically a stoner, I don’t see him taking time to take the dog that far out of his way.

The Nahiku Marktplace is between Mile Marker 28 and 29 (as best as I can tell) on Hana Highway and is where CS’s dog Nala was found; clean and in good shape with no cuts or scratches. To me this gives some indication that she was dumped out on the roadway and not wondering through vegetation. My question is …..why was Nala dumped in that location?

Could this also be the area that poor Charlie and her unborn baby were also dumped? My impression of SC, based on that interview, is that he would not go too much out of his way to exert any extra energy, especially when it came to digging. Does SC have any kind of familiarity with that area or the actual Market itself? Would he know the terrain in that area?

If you Google “photos of Nahiku Marketplace” you can find images of the market itself and some of the area around it. The photos show how level the area is, especially in comparison with everything else along the Hana Highway. Unfortunately you cannot see any of landscape behind the Market itself.

Is it possible that Nala managed to get out of the vehicle while he was dumping the body? If the dog was making a lot noise barking maybe SC was afraid someone would hear Nala and didn’t take the time to get rid of her clothes. Basically the dog interrupted what he was doing. He just hurried up and left, leaving the dog behind. That could be a reason why the clothes were dumped further back up along Hana Highway, and the phone in another location, but getting towards where the car was eventually found.

How late is this marketplace open? Does anyone actually live right close by that would notice or hear someone late at night that this would not be feasible?

We searched along the coast and then up the hill leading directly up to Nahiku Marketplace. This was part of the second search there. A predug deep hole well covered with brush would be sufficient to hide a body. We spoke with two of the four residents that live directly behind the marketplace including the one that found her dog. They said they did not see or hear anything on the night of 2-9.

There was agreement that with knowledge of the current and tide, one could easily dispose of a weighted body off a cliff into the ocean. The sheer amount of territory on the Hana side is vast. It's assumed SC knew the area well because he is part of the rave party scene. Numerous raves were held on the coast at Nahiku.

We also spoke with a local person who traveled the road that night where SC claims he was broken down at Keanae. The person said no broken down truck was seen there. There are holes in the story of SC. It's time for the truth to come out!

 

[Kapua]

We searched along the coast and then up the hill leading directly up to Nahiku Marketplace. This was part of the second search there. A predug deep hole well covered with brush would be sufficient to hide a body. We spoke with two of the four residents that live directly behind the marketplace including the one that found her dog. They said they did not see or hear anything on the night of 2-9.

There was agreement that with knowledge of the current and tide, one could easily dispose of a weighted body off a cliff into the ocean. The sheer amount of territory on the Hana side is vast. It's assumed SC knew the area well because he is part of the rave party scene. Numerous raves were held on the coast at Nahiku.

We also spoke with a local person who traveled the road that night where SC claims he was broken down at Keanae. The person said no broken down truck was seen there. There are holes in the story of SC. It's time for the truth to come out!

Welcome new posters, Chalord of the Rings and JusticeHammer!

The truth has a way of coming out, in its own time.

Regarding the disposal of a weighted body: It is not easy to move 160 lbs. of dead weight or more. I'm making the assumption that only one person did the dirty work. Using that assumption, we can limit our search to places that one person could access and move that much weight. So look for places where the road is close to the edge of a cliff and places close to a road or the ocean. I know there are a lot of places like that on Hana Hwy. but with a large team of searchers and, hopefully soon, cadaver dogs, it is possible to find Charli and Joshua.

Regarding currents and tides: Forgive me for going back to the Scott/Laci Peterson case so frequently, but I have to say this. Scott researched the pattern of currents and tides in SF Bay to choose his disposal site. He bought a boat and fashioned 5 crude concrete anchors by molding them with a bucket. He launched the boat at the Berkeley Marina and drove it out into the bay. He dropped the anchored body of his pregnant wife where he thought it would be consumed by sea life and then washed out to sea. Four months later, the body of his nearly full-term son washed up on the shore of SF Bay. The next day, Laci's body washed up on the shore, too. Here's a prime example of the truth coming out.

Regarding SC's alibi: Yesterday, I read the text of his interview again.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

'Mileka: "So tell me about what happened Sunday night."

Steven: "Sunday night? She picked me up from my house at 8:30, drove out to my truck that I got stuck in Keanae and she dropped me off at my truck -- it took me about 10 minutes to fix my truck, 'cause I had extra light tools with me at that time. And then we came back to Haiku. And I'm pretty sure I saw her lights in my rearview the entire time. I'm absolutely certain I saw her headlights in my rearview mirror until I got to Twin Falls and then I started speeding up 'cause I drive a little faster than she does."
...
Mileka: "But Nala was still in the car with Charli when you guys left Keanae?"

Steven: "Yep."'

Of the many parts of his story that make absolutely no sense in light of what has turned up so far, this is the most obvious lie, IMHO. SC states that he is "absolutely certain" that he saw her headlights in his rearview mirror until he got to Twin Falls, and that Nala was still in the car with Charli when they left Keanae. So... how is it that Nala turned up in Nahiku the next morning with clean paws?

 

[JusticeHammer]

Regarding the disposal of a weighted body: It is not easy to move 160 lbs. of dead weight or more.

Unless the body was in severed parts which would account for the bone fragment found with her clothing.

 

[Kapua]

Unless the body was in severed parts which would account for the bone fragment found with her clothing.

:yuck: An excellent point! I was thinking that the bone fragment was the result of either bludgeoning or gunshots. We don't know how large the bone fragment is.

If you're right, there would have been a lot of blood involved. Oh, and if they have a bone fragment with a DNA match, maybe they don't need a whole body.

 

[shadow of my mind]

Regarding SC's alibi: Yesterday, I read the text of his interview again.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

'Mileka: "So tell me about what happened Sunday night."

Steven: "Sunday night? She picked me up from my house at 8:30, drove out to my truck that I got stuck in Keanae and she dropped me off at my truck -- it took me about 10 minutes to fix my truck, 'cause I had extra light tools with me at that time. And then we came back to Haiku. And I'm pretty sure I saw her lights in my rearview the entire time. I'm absolutely certain I saw her headlights in my rearview mirror until I got to Twin Falls and then I started speeding up 'cause I drive a little faster than she does."
...
Mileka: "But Nala was still in the car with Charli when you guys left Keanae?"

Steven: "Yep."'

Of the many parts of his story that make absolutely no sense in light of what has turned up so far, this is the most obvious lie, IMHO. SC states that he is "absolutely certain" that he saw her headlights in his rearview mirror until he got to Twin Falls, and that Nala was still in the car with Charli when they left Keanae. So... how is it that Nala turned up in Nahiku the next morning with clean paws?[/QUOTE]

I shortened what you said for clarity... and BBM

I absolutely agree with you. Nala being found in Nahiku, and being clean does not fit his story.

That has been my question from day one. I realize that dogs can travel quite far but would she run along the roadway for that distance? In my opinion there has to be some type of connection with SC and that area. Whether its something or someone that SC went there for, there is a reason. Otherwise why did the dog turn up there.
Figure out what that is and maybe it will be a clue as to where Charli and the baby are.

 

[Mamamerced]

:yuck: An excellent point! I was thinking that the bone fragment was the result of either bludgeoning or gunshots. We don't know how large the bone fragment is.

If you're right, there would have been a lot of blood involved. Oh, and if they have a bone fragment with a DNA match, maybe they don't need a whole body.

Is there any alleged information about the bone fragment? Was it found WITH/ON the clothes, near the clothes? Size? :waitasec: