GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #2

[puakenikeni]

I am not aware of who Matthew McCormick is, but sounds like I should be. Can you fill me in or point me towards something to read?

I recently reread an exchange from a year ago between someone who appeared to be the girlfriend and an anonymous commenter who had posted stuff about her that she was begging to have taken down. A very strange conversation.

i suppose that premeditation and rage are not incompatible. A peson could coldly plan to do something, or hatch a plan born from anger. Either way, it is possible for something like a verbal exchange to trigger a rage episode when the situation materializes. His comment that she had a mouth on her and that might make her have enemies has been remarked on here, and could allude to something she said that at which he snapped.
One can have an intent to harm and then snap and lose control. It is also possible that a person has a buildup of anger, forms a plan to harm, and methodically and repeatedly hurts someone. The family is calling the act one of deliberate torture. Without actual wounds to examine for depth and intensity, I imagine it's going to be fairly impossible to say more than the number of wounds and the location.

I have this sick vision (purely imagined, conjured up by the word torture) of him saying something to the effect of you thought you were going to control my life and make me pay for something I never wanted, but see (stab) that's never going to happen/I can't allow you to do that.

Kimberly Scott's interview points to him having long time issues with being "tied" to Charli-- no photos wanted of the couple, no admitting they were a couple even while living together. And she wants to have his baby long after they broke up? Sounds like that would be intolerable to a guy who couldn't handle a lu'au photo being taken back when they were together.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Maybe they can start to rule out that she wouldn't go to hook up with somebody else in Nahiku because she had work the next AM and maybe she wouldn't drive to help SC either for that reason

 

[RunDaSurf]

We cant sleulth the girlfriend. She was on mainland when Charli was killed but she is part of the case. Don't know if we can sleulth Matty McCormick but this is on here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...I-Matthew-D-McCormick-30-Makawao-12-June-2014

 

[heartgoesout]

It was always my interpretation that Charli did NOT tell her family or anyone else about any interaction she had with SC that night. They thought she was headed home. I'm pretty certain they indicated she did not tell him. They went to him first because they never trusted him and knew if something was wrong with her he'd be part of it.

The family has been pretty open and I think would have said by now, she got a text and got weird and rushed out, or something to that effect. I think it is also possible he didn't call her while she was at her sisters.

He could have called and said his dog was lost... Again, just because that's his story doesn't mean any of it is true. (I do believe there was tidbits of truth in his story though). The family only made the 1st statement repeating what he said because they trusted his story, why wouldn't they? He could have said, hypothetically, I met her at a gas station and we drove around to look for my lost dog, and that was the story people went with. He probably asked her did you tell your family you're with me? Even if she said no he had to prepare in case she did hence telling a parallel story in case she did tell her family.

So that leaves me with where did they meet up? Did she drive to the grandfathers house? Would neighbors hear her scream? Did she pick him up and he said let's get "busy wink wink" down that quiet road, not that far from the house? then kill her and drive back to the grandfathers house and clean up? bury her? Then later when the heat was on dug her up, plant the evidence, burn the car?

I just feel she is on his turf somewhere...or he put her on the sugar fields that are burnt.

Then I think the family certainly knows more than me, why did they search that beach last weekend. head spinning now

 

[puakenikeni]

And I think Nala in Nahiku keeps Nala far away from where ever Charli body was.

Interesting ideas, RunDaSurf. I had thought about but didn't write along the lines of how a stranger attack would have taken out the protective dog.

I definitely think Nala was taken out Hana Highway to support his story about her taking him to his truck. And for that to happen, Nala needed to be found out there. So whether or not he genuinely cared about Nala, the jungle was not ideal because Nala could get lost in it and not be found. Leaving her near where a lot more people come would work better.

Much was said after about Nahiku being well past the Keanae area and how weird that was. My thought was there are not so many stores out that way for him to choose from. I have been to Hana before but it's been a while and I don't know where all there are commercial areas. Do you know?

I thought it was interesting that the only nice thing SC said about his missing ex was that she was caring about her dogs and wouldn't run away and leave them untended or lost. It seemed like one small area where he could have empathy.

But I get what you are saying -- that he is a sociopath who is mimicking love for animals when he is too damaged to really care. I don't know the guy. Clearly he is damaged, was screwed up early in life. That interview offered some good info about his family. Abusive and addicted mother (deceased).

I will think more about your post .. Thanks!

 

[Mamamerced]

Pua,
Go to thread #2, page 18+\- for info on Matthew's story. I've always wondered if he didn't give up something on SC, either about Charli or the burglaries for example, then took a hiatus until SC was arrested. Pure speculation on my part only. Just curious.
Also, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...839.1073741828.175532162627490&type=1&theater

 

[RunDaSurf]

Nahiku Market Place is a few stalls for tourists on Hana highway at mile marker 29. Not big commercial anything. Only a few people work there. It's quiet empty dark at night til workers get there to open in the morning. Nala would have been within 1000 yards of Hana Highway.

 

[RunDaSurf]

I think the scattered evidence of clothes and dog and even SUV at Peahi were all where a vehicle could pull up to?

 

[RunDaSurf]

I think he did it on his turf too. It was first murder. We hope. So where is his turf he would be confident to do it?

 

[heartgoesout]

Pua,
Go to thread #2, page 18+\- for info on Matthew's story. I've always wondered if he didn't give up something on SC, either about Charli or the burglaries for example, then took a hiatus until SC was arrested. Pure speculation on my part only. Just curious.
Also, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...839.1073741828.175532162627490&type=1&theater

I completely agree with this.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks for these links, will read and then return to comment, especially to heartgoesout whose great post I did not get to.

Thanks for description of marketplace. I didn't picture it as big (nothing is out that way), but this helps. I've noticed that people drop off/abandon animals near where people come, whether or not there is much for the animal.

If the clothes were dropped off (not an actual crime scene), it wasn't Sunday night. There were signs of decomp (per one new article), which couldn't have been there a couple hours after she was killed. He had to go back there later and do this. Yes because easy to pull truck in, at night, also the ocean access good for getting people thinking clothes were left behind and body (parts) taken down to ocean.

My practical reason to discuss this is the family is still, one year later, searching around Honomanu Bay, and that is a shame if she was never there and no more remains ever there than what was already found. Any progress on the right place to search would be good.

To be clear, not wanting to sleuth the girlfriend. I think her comments were interesting because she was clearly distressed and backing away from the relationship, which says that she didn't necessarily know he had done it but wasn't in total denial that he could have either.

 

[Mamamerced]

"I have this sick vision (purely imagined, conjured up by the word torture) of him saying something to the effect of you thought you were going to control my life and make me pay for something I never wanted, but see (stab) that's never going to happen/I can't allow you to do that."

I have imagined that very scenario, also. He hated his mother, apparently, and I imagine that in his mind, Charli stepped into that vacated space by getting pregnant. Chilling.
ETA: I remember reading a book by a forensics
medical doctor (psychiatrist) who claims that murderers almost always inflict a trauma on a victim similar to what wounded and may still similarly wound them. I think that in motherhood, fecundity/ripeness morphs into neglect/desertion in SC's twisted psyche.

 

[heartgoesout]

I agree Pua. I wish I knew why they are searching were they are. I'm thinking they have info we don't. They are smart, uncompromising and a force to be reckoned with. All in good ways. Then again maybe they are shooting in the dark. I guess I too am ignorantly suggesting they search his turf that he was very familiar with and was accessible and easy that night.

 

[puakenikeni]

Mamamerced and heartgoes out, such insightful posts. Thanks mama for that new to me info about his maternal relationship. Very likely. It is nice to know I'm not the only one here who imagines that type of scenario. I totally agree that when a person "installs" a psychic image of the maternal to correspond with another person in their life (or the paternal), that the new person's separateness/independence gets very blurry or lost. They are then more of an object for acting out some very old issues. I don't know if Charli would have been aware that her new statas as "madonna" would be very dangerous territory with Steven.

I think as women (I am one), we know we are who we are, and we expect men to relate to the person we are, but then they relate to us as the person trying to be their mother -- even when we're not at all intending to do that. And I have found it can be impossible to root out that attitude, because he WANTS to play through the drama and the reality is not a concern.

 

[puakenikeni]

So I am laughing at myself for thinking through all this long post last night, when I have just realized it's a more or less complete retread of the first posts in this topic from last April. I'm rereading those now. I do apologize. Although I followed this case from the very first news story, the first night when it grabbed my heart, I did not find WS until a month ago, and I played catchup of the whole archive at once. It was a lot to digest and remember. Well, I guess it is not bad to come to the same conclusions through my own batch of media evidence -- some that was published after last April.

Have to go do business before things close here in Hawai'i ... will digest and return later.

 

[heartgoesout]

You missed a lot. There were several Facebook pages and craigslist posts etc that dropped hints.
I wish you were here through it all. You have great insight and seem to really care. We'll continue the journey now till he rots in a jail cell.
Have you come across the statement analysis? That was fascinating.

 

[Mamamerced]

Mamamerced and heartgoes out, such insightful posts. Thanks mama for that new to me info about his maternal relationship. Very likely. It is nice to know I'm not the only one here who imagines that type of scenario. I totally agree that when a person "installs" a psychic image of the maternal to correspond with another person in their life (or the paternal), that the new person's separateness/independence gets very blurry or lost. They are then more of an object for acting out some very old issues. I don't know if Charli would have been aware that her new statas as "madonna" would be very dangerous territory with Steven.

I think as women (I am one), we know we are who we are, and we expect men to relate to the person we are, but then they relate to us as the person trying to be their mother -- even when we're not at all intending to do that. And I have found it can be impossible to root out that attitude, because he WANTS to play through the drama and the reality is not a concern.

I think that attitude is true for men, too. Goes both ways. Some girls want Daddy, kwim? But, yes, that "Madonna/Charli dichotomy must have been scrambled in SC's failure-to-thrive mind. What a horror it must have been for Charli.

 

[heartgoesout]

Does SC have anyone attending his hearings? family? or friend support? Where is his father? Cause fathers matter too! wink
Is the grandfather his paternal or maternal relative?

 

[Mamamerced]

I believe the grandfather is from the maternal side. Last name is Young, IIRC. There was also a property owner in Makawao, I think, with the last name Capobiano. No idea if related.

 

[heartgoesout]

ok, been searching cause I think I was wrong when I told Pau. I think the grandfather house is on Kalipo Rd