GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #2

[puakenikeni]

You missed a lot. There were several Facebook pages and craigslist posts etc that dropped hints.
I wish you were here through it all. You have great insight and seem to really care. We'll continue the journey now till he rots in a jail cell.
Have you come across the statement analysis? That was fascinating.

Sorry I wasn't able to respond to posts yesterday after this. I got buried by deadlines all of a sudden. It's going to be a crazy next two weeks. I care a lot about this case, and am glad the conversation is going again, will be reading.
To answer your question, as things unfolded last year I read Maui Watch, the Find Charli FB page, MMA articles and FB comments, the statement analysis, the "study of what happened to" FB that is gone now, the Chunk o' Butter FB page, the second Statement analysis page.

I missed the girlfriend's FB page, Crabapple Jones' page, somehow missed the Matthew McCormick disappearance (was not following MauiWatch at that time). I missed all posts made here that were deleted during that time, because I didn't know about this site. Shame!
Thanks for the help in catching up guys, much appreciated.

 

[puakenikeni]

I agree with them. The public doesn't need to know those details. I for one didn't want to know her last minutes on earth were spent Being tortured. Some judges order everyone to keep their mouths shut, I forgot the legal term. Lol but that's what they need here.

I think you mean a gag order? That's not constitutional in the United States, to gag the press. The judge can order people directly involved in the trial not to discuss their testimony or other info, but cannot order the press not to report or shut them out. (Unless it's a national security issue).

I believe that when the public gets involved in a case, that the public also experiences trauma and needs healing. Not as much as the family, but even strangers, in their own way. The process of the road to trial and trial and sentencing is I think a catharsis that is helpful. Those who don't find it helpful can shut it out.

I don't think anyone wanted to hear such awful details, but the details are truth, and truth is good to know. I never wanted to know what Jeffrey Dahmer did, but yet it was good that the world found out that people can behave this way. Who knows what future women might be saved from getting involved with someone who would ultimately torture them, by knowing about what happened to Charli?

 

[puakenikeni]

According to the arson charge the crime occured in her car. Considering they released info that her bra was slashed in her left armpit and right breast, I think he drove her to Paraquats and fatally injured her and Joshua there in the car. The front seat space is restrictive and her left arm might go up if she tried to defend herself. I think he left her body there, with her phone and hid her car in Haiku. When they showed up at his job, he might have returned for the body and transported her in his car in the dark, dropping some items. Why they released all of this information pre-trial makes no sense to me.

Btw the road that leads to the down to the river is just two tire tracks in the bushes.

This is very interesting info. Were you able to read the arson charge, or saw it in the media? How can they tell when the car interior is all melted and scorched?
I saw one article about the armpit wounds, and I also thought defensive wounds, but that article didn't say which side of her body. Where did you find this?
I'm so confused how one time they write about the clothes "find" as a pile up from the beach, and then another time it is on the beach (Paraquat's).

Why they released all of this information pre-trial makes no sense to me.

They didn't release it without reason. There was a court proceeding for the motion, which argued about what happened in the grand jury proceeding, and had to in the process discuss the grand jury testimony. A motion hearing, like a trial, is a public process and the press are allowed to attend, and other people. Like all court proceedings, the court reporter makes a transcript, and a copy can be purchased, unless it is sealed. Grand jury transcripts can also be requested (not automatically granted).
Nothing was revealed in the motion that hadn't already been presented to the grand jury last July.
Police are allowed to keep their investigation under wraps, but once they forward their findings to the prosecutor's office, the police findings are put into charges, and at that point they are supposed to have the evidence and witnesses they need. The defendant's counsel is given all of that evidence. So the secrecy is not important any more. It's really unfortunate that the justice process is so painful for victims and their families. But ... we need a justice system that is open to the public eye. We don't want to have secret police here.

 

[Loio]

This is very interesting info. Were you able to read the arson charge, or saw it in the media? How can they tell when the car interior is all melted and scorched?
I saw one article about the armpit wounds, and I also thought defensive wounds, but that article didn't say which side of her body. Where did you find this?
I'm so confused how one time they write about the clothes "find" as a pile up from the beach, and then another time it is on the beach (Paraquat's).

I'm not sure of the quoting process on websleuths but the Maui Now February 18, 2014 article explains that some items were found In several locations including her shoes.

 

[Mamamerced]

Loio,
Are you really a lawyer, and a local?
Puakenikeni,
Are you, too?
Both of you have contributed very thoughtful and detailed information/perspectives on this case, and revitalized our WS discussion. I hope you are able to continue here, especially once the trial begins.

Loio......so do you believe SC murdered Charli and Joshua in her car at Paraquats, leaving her body there and returning later to move it, or is that just one of a few scenarios you can imagine? If her jawbone was so defleshed, where/how could that have happened out there in that time period?

 

[heartgoesout]

Thanks so much for posting all this new information about the site and the search. Can you possibly post links to the things you have read when you mention them, so that we can look at the original source?

I went to the FCS Facebook page for that date, and I can't find that post. I remember reading a poem a while back, maybe this one? Do you have a copy of that post saved?

It's in the section posted by others by her mom KS, not on the actual FCS posts.

 

[heartgoesout]

Don't quote me on this but I think I remember the skype call was much later in the early a.m. hours. I want to say 2am but I may be remembering that wrong. I'd have to research the times again. I do 100% remembering reading that he was late to their normal skyping time.
Pennsylvania is 6 hours ahead of Hawaii.

 

[Mamamerced]

Don't quote me on this but I think I remember the skype call was much later in the early a.m. hours. I want to say 2am but I may be remembering that wrong. I'd have to research the times again. I do 100% remembering reading that he was late to their normal skyping time.
Pennsylvania is 6 hours ahead of Hawaii.

Yes, I believe you are right, HGO, that the Skype time was later. Maybe 11pm/1am. I'm deleting my last post because I was rambling!

 

[puakenikeni]

Good questions, mamamerced, good point about the Sunday night time frame. Wish I knew where to find that Skype time.
0ne article I linked from the defense motion detailed the bra slashes, in both breasts, one armpit, did not say which. Lolo seems to know more or has read a version with more information, was wondering where.

Thanks for your positive words about contribution. I am not a lawyer, not at all. I completed a one year post-college paralegal certification program that taught me how to better read legal documents and to do legal research. I have written motions and pleadings for civil actions, although it's been a while. I have been a victim of non-violent crime in Hawai'i and through that learned some stuff about the investigation, discovery and trial process. I have read a lot about first amendment issues in the last four years. I have obtained court records at the Clerk's window and online. I find the law fascinating, and the institutions sometimes frustrating.

I do think citizens can play a useful part here. It is my observation that police have a lot on their plates and do not have the amount of time to ponder cases in depth as the citizen sleuths, although the police surely have better information. Citizen help and involvement can lead to the police collecting evidence they otherwise would not have. Police searchers go out with helicopters and dogs for a day or two, based on best info and tips. If they find what they are looking for, great. If not they don't go back day after day the way Maui Search and Rescue has done. They don't have the manpower.

In following crime stories here, I've noticed that tips, witnesses, crossover from unrelated investigations, accidental discoveries by hikers and tourists, hunters, fishermen, etc.. have given police key information that allowed them to eventually make a case. The police here aren't dogged bloodhounds. They follow up leads that come to them. MOO

The Scott family has been incredible in its determination and accomplishment. I am in awe of their efforts. I have tried looking for missing pets in the Hawai'i bush, and once you try looking you realize how dense and the vegetation and how inaccessible many spots are. Kudos to this family.

 

[puakenikeni]

It's in the section posted by others by her mom KS, not on the actual FCS posts.

Oh, thank you thank you. I hate looking for stuff on Facebook and I forgot about that section. I'll go find it.

 

[heartgoesout]

Let me know your thoughts on that post... : )

 

[heartgoesout]

Yes, I believe you are right, HGO, that the Skype time was later. Maybe 11pm/1am. I'm deleting my last post because I was rambling!

lol, I have those moments where I can't seem to put in writing my scrambling thoughts. It's a lot.
I have learned I need to keep a notebook and make notes on cases going forward.

 

[puakenikeni]

I finally found her mom's 12/8 post, took me a lot of time searching and telling Facebook to show me more stories. Thanks, without knowing it was posted by KS's personal FB account to the page, and not by the page, I would not have found it.
Link:
December 8, 2014

Reading it made me tear up and choke up.

The point is, I think, to show Charli and Joshua are both present and absent. When she speaks of what happened to them physically, she is intensely imagining what occurred in a spot that now shows her nothing (mossy earth) of what occurred there. She imagines the earth has absorbed the bodily essence. At the same time she says no, it couldn't have; you are still somewhere to be found, somewhere else. She imagines their digging could create an empty space that would reflect the empty space in their hearts.

She says "they" showed her the spot. She doesn't say whether police or the original searchers. I think she is talking about the jawbone, tooth, that the police found the next day, close but not right with the pile of clothes.

She imagines this is the spot where her loved ones died, but that doesn't necessarily reflect she was "told" that by the police. It could be more the one spot that she has where part of her daughter was definitely. We don't know what she was told. She does refer to it as the spot Charli died upon, but she also says she was showed the place where "they" found what "he" left of her. She says the earth was soaked in her blood.

In various MMA there were mentions of the police finding blood along with the tooth and jawbone, one example from a year ago:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25246180/maui-police-arrest-ex-boyfriend-of-charli-scott
"An area off the Hana Highway appears the be the crime scene. It's the spot where some of Charli's clothes were found. Police sources say they also recovered blood, a tooth and a bone."
So it appears from that put together with Kimberley's post that there was blood on the ground. But it would almost certainly have rained on the spot in the interim and degraded the way it was originally.

 

[puakenikeni]

Maybe it did all happen out there. If so he had to work awfully quickly, if he did not have an accomplice. I think he must have gone back between Sunday night and Thursday, not just gone there but done some sort of process, very risky with all the searching if so.
I don't think SC is or was a very smart criminal/monster. OTOH it is really really dumb to point the police to the vicinity where he committed murder when no one else knew they were going there. It was dumb to give an interview telling a partly made-up story that wouldn't stand up to analysis.

OTOH it would have been clever to give an interview that pointed police to an area where the body (the main part they are looking for) was not residing, as in not anywhere near that evidence.

I wonder also about the phone and the ping. I expect people to know these things, especially a young guy, but maybe he wasn't thinking and let the phone ping, but it would have needed to be moving to initiate a ping, so not sure there is a theory for that AFTER killing her on that spot, because the phone didn't leave that area.

A lot depends on how dumb he is. We know he is overly cocky. We know he has gotten caught a few times committing crimes, but perhaps only a small percentage of the total crimes.
There is still the problem of her vehicle being low on gas and the stations all being closed at that time, so how would it even drive out to Keanae? Perhaps he had a full gas can though. For example, I keep gas around for our mower.

Have to run, later.

 

[heartgoesout]

Wasn't it months after on Charli's birthday? There certainly would not still be blood?

 

[Mamamerced]

Maybe it did all happen out there. If so he had to work awfully quickly, if he did not have an accomplice. I think he must have gone back between Sunday night and Thursday, not just gone there but done some sort of process, very risky with all the searching if so.
I don't think SC is or was a very smart criminal/monster. OTOH it is really really dumb to point the police to the vicinity where he committed murder when no one else knew they were going there. It was dumb to give an interview telling a partly made-up story that wouldn't stand up to analysis.

OTOH it would have been clever to give an interview that pointed police to an area where the body (the main part they are looking for) was not residing, as in not anywhere near that evidence.

I wonder also about the phone and the ping. I expect people to know these things, especially a young guy, but maybe he wasn't thinking and let the phone ping, but it would have needed to be moving to initiate a ping, so not sure there is a theory for that AFTER killing her on that spot, because the phone didn't leave that area.

A lot depends on how dumb he is. We know he is overly cocky. We know he has gotten caught a few times committing crimes, but perhaps only a small percentage of the total crimes.
There is still the problem of her vehicle being low on gas and the stations all being closed at that time, so how would it even drive out to Keanae? Perhaps he had a full gas can though. For example, I keep gas around for our mower.

Have to run, later.

From posts I've read (in the way back) from people who have known him I don't think he's "dumb" at all. Honestly can't remember specifically what was said but the gist was he was a bit nerdy, into computers, etc. Arrogant, cocky, neglected, twisted, etc., but not dumb. Imoo.

 

[puakenikeni]

Wasn't it months after on Charli's birthday? There certainly would not still be blood?

Do you know when her birthday occurred? I was wondering.
No, it would not be there still. Some of the pain in the poem/post (aside from the obvious pain of the main thing) is that she sees mossy earth and the traces of her daughter are no longer to be witnessed. It all has to be imagined based on what was found there. The poem starts out thinking about the gift wrapping, that she didn't see Charli wrap them but she knows by the distinctive style, the crease, the mark left by Charli. This spot also is marked by Charli, but it's not visible to her. Gone but not gone, disappeared but the earth is to be kept always.
Her poetry is powerful, and I'm not one who says that. Most people can't write poetry that is any good, but this is the real deal.

 

[puakenikeni]

From posts I've read (in the way back) from people who have known him I don't think he's "dumb" at all. Honestly can't remember specifically what was said but the gist was he was a bit nerdy, into computers, etc. Arrogant, cocky, neglected, twisted, etc., but not dumb. Imoo.

That's excellent to hear about. I wrote all that because I was concerned my first theory gave him too much credit for planning and executing, and I don't want to fall into the trap of theorizing something elaborate that was entirely simple.
If he is nerdy, he should have been aware of the phone capacity, especially if he is an iPhone user and hers was too (I read somewhere). If you have one you know that iPhones have ways to be found, and you would check the settings before traveling around with one belonging to someone you just killed. Even I know that, and I am not a computer nerd.

 

[Mamamerced]

That's excellent to hear about. I wrote all that because I was concerned my first theory gave him too much credit for planning and executing, and I don't want to fall into the trap of theorizing something elaborate that was entirely simple.
If he is nerdy, he should have been aware of the phone capacity, especially if he is an iPhone user and hers was too (I read somewhere). If you have one you know that iPhones have ways to be found, and you would check the settings before traveling around with one belonging to someone you just killed. Even I know that, and I am not a computer nerd.

Hmmmmm......I wonder if that's why he came up with the story of Charli taking him to his truck in Keanae........to cover for the ping?

 

[heartgoesout]

That's excellent to hear about. I wrote all that because I was concerned my first theory gave him too much credit for planning and executing, and I don't want to fall into the trap of theorizing something elaborate that was entirely simple.
If he is nerdy, he should have been aware of the phone capacity, especially if he is an iPhone user and hers was too (I read somewhere). If you have one you know that iPhones have ways to be found, and you would check the settings before traveling around with one belonging to someone you just killed. Even I know that, and I am not a computer nerd.

The tracking app in her phone had been deleted.