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GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #2
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A good picture of it is on #642
If you play around with the contrast and zoom in, etc...you can see many images, the craziest being the picture of Charli in her white sunglasses.
If you play around with the contrast and zoom in, etc...you can see many images, the craziest being the picture of Charli in her white sunglasses.
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Up the topic I was speculating that an investigation "unrelated" to the burglary turned up the information on Steven's connection to the burglary. That was on Feb. 25.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25246180/maui-police-arrest-ex-boyfriend-of-charli-scott
An article that came out March 4th (7 days later) says:
The time frame is close. Maybe it's a coincidence, but I wonder if it's the same home (also in Haiku) that he allegedly broke into, the same woman whose jewelry was taken.
I always thought it was weird that unburnt parts of her car just turn up and it is not suspicious? From his interview he is stressing that abandoned vehicles on the road are stripped then burned, and Peahi Road is where they get burned/dumped. (It's a thing in Hawai'i, very common, over about three days. First let people harvest what they want, then have fun with fire.) Trying to go for a serial killer or other stranger attack type angle, killer leaves the car, vandals find it? That's how I read the plan. Possibly he stripped some parts to make it look vandalized?
But really, who could he give such items to without it coming back on him? I don't understand that.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25246180/maui-police-arrest-ex-boyfriend-of-charli-scott
An article that came out March 4th (7 days later) says:
The time frame is close. Maybe it's a coincidence, but I wonder if it's the same home (also in Haiku) that he allegedly broke into, the same woman whose jewelry was taken.
I always thought it was weird that unburnt parts of her car just turn up and it is not suspicious? From his interview he is stressing that abandoned vehicles on the road are stripped then burned, and Peahi Road is where they get burned/dumped. (It's a thing in Hawai'i, very common, over about three days. First let people harvest what they want, then have fun with fire.) Trying to go for a serial killer or other stranger attack type angle, killer leaves the car, vandals find it? That's how I read the plan. Possibly he stripped some parts to make it look vandalized?
But really, who could he give such items to without it coming back on him? I don't understand that.
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There were some pics of the grandfathers house that were on a Facebook page that shows the wooded area. I remember googling the address, lots of woods around. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008223041062&fref=ts
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geez, I need to start taking notes. Couldn't tell you the address.
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Maybe that belt knife had some DNA on it? That would be huge.
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I reread the section you pointed me towards, about the painting and speculation about the detached jawbone. Just excellent posts, glad I read them again.
FYI, the discussion of an ax as a tool -- the cutting blade that every household uses in Hawai'i is a machete. I haven't seen an ax in a long time (except higher up where people use firewood). A lot can be done with a sharp machete.
Here is the thing I said I had on my mind but couldn't bring myself to post. It is gruesome, but I'm sure her family has already thought about this and more. And I think there's value in figuring out what this means, what it might say about where he did this.
Prior posts in this topic came to terms with the ugly fact that she must have been decapitated or dismembered. The jawbone detached from the skull shows that she was not left whole. I noticed that it was always "a bone" from the first reporting, never a body part. Implying that it was pretty clean of flesh I thought. In Hawai'i, decomposition happens fast because it is the tropics, but you don't go from flesh to bone in less than four days, which is the maximum time that elapsed. Especially not in February, the coolest month, not by Nature alone. I think he may have helped the process along.
No one has remarked here on these portions of the articles on the defense motion:
First Maui News article on the filing of the motion to dismiss:
"The motion refers to a "gratuitous exchange" between the prosecutor and forensic pathologist over the doctor's use of the word "defleshing" to describe removing skin and muscle off a jaw.
"In your experience, have you ever come across that?" the prosecutor asks.
"I haven't personally ever had a case like this before, no," the witness answers."
Recent Maui News article on judge denying the motion:
"The hearsay evidence was from an entomologist with knowledge about maggots; a Los Angeles-based FBI agent who analyzed Capobianco's phone records along with other information and data for a timeline of events surrounding the alleged killing; Scott's dentist, who compared dental records with the jawbones suspected to be hers; a Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command forensic anthropologist who did a trauma analysis on jawbones suspected to be Scott's; and a Honolulu Police Department DNA specialist who examined fingernails suspected to be Scott's."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...se+revealed+in+motion&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&&ct=clnk
The analysis of jaw trauma ties in with your earlier analysis here. We also learn about fingernails for the first time. We had already heard that the clothes were discovered "filled with maggots." (ugh, I hate those things). I've seen maggots develop here in 2-3 days. I don't know if that is faster than on the mainland, but I think it might be. But that is the hatching. They don't do the full scope of their work that fast.
I found an article on "maceration" -- more standard term than defleshing, which is done by taxidermists, where they apply Dermestes beetles, to clean carcasses down to the bone.
http://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/pubs/az1144.pdf (see No.3, Bug Box)
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/preparation/preparation.htm (not for the faint)
I'm wondering if he decided that he would use fast maceration to break down the evidence, if he hatched a bunch of them in advance and ... yeah, totally gross thought. But the entomologist was called; the word defleshing was used to describe turning a flesh covered jawbone into bone. The forensic pathologist said he had never seen such a case before; surely he had seen ordinary decomp routinely.
The clothes were found in a single pile not far off the path; they were not hidden. A pile of clothes doesn't suggest odds and ends dropped while working in the dark. It reads as a deliberate leaving, a taunting? And just enough of her to identify her, but not a body. The clothes were infested, so they must have been on her or near her very recently, perhaps she was left in them for the process. Well, that's as far into the darkness as my imagination will go. I don't hunt or kill things, and I'm not jaded as to what happens.
I feel though that this is something that would be done in a controlled, secure environment, not some rainy, dark, muddy place in the woods where hunters and fishermen do camp out regularly. So that is why I think she was killed in Haiku where he could control everything, and so that Nala did not see it, was sequestered in the vehicle maybe. The dog was not upset. She did not seem to know anything bad had happened. Also he is a dog person, and he would be very aware of Nala's potential to lead searchers to a spot. The dog could not be allowed to mark the key location by being in the truck out there near Keanae while he did this.
People keep saying that the body was buried or went into the ocean and could be found, but maybe he planned it so that there was nothing to find, except one bone. Maybe he saw her skull as a skull, and that is the story the painting is telling. And then he burned it?
My apologies for the gross factor of the post, but nothing pretty about this crime. My heart is so sad for this young woman and her almost child. Monster.
FYI, the discussion of an ax as a tool -- the cutting blade that every household uses in Hawai'i is a machete. I haven't seen an ax in a long time (except higher up where people use firewood). A lot can be done with a sharp machete.
Here is the thing I said I had on my mind but couldn't bring myself to post. It is gruesome, but I'm sure her family has already thought about this and more. And I think there's value in figuring out what this means, what it might say about where he did this.
Prior posts in this topic came to terms with the ugly fact that she must have been decapitated or dismembered. The jawbone detached from the skull shows that she was not left whole. I noticed that it was always "a bone" from the first reporting, never a body part. Implying that it was pretty clean of flesh I thought. In Hawai'i, decomposition happens fast because it is the tropics, but you don't go from flesh to bone in less than four days, which is the maximum time that elapsed. Especially not in February, the coolest month, not by Nature alone. I think he may have helped the process along.
No one has remarked here on these portions of the articles on the defense motion:
First Maui News article on the filing of the motion to dismiss:
"The motion refers to a "gratuitous exchange" between the prosecutor and forensic pathologist over the doctor's use of the word "defleshing" to describe removing skin and muscle off a jaw.
"In your experience, have you ever come across that?" the prosecutor asks.
"I haven't personally ever had a case like this before, no," the witness answers."
Recent Maui News article on judge denying the motion:
"The hearsay evidence was from an entomologist with knowledge about maggots; a Los Angeles-based FBI agent who analyzed Capobianco's phone records along with other information and data for a timeline of events surrounding the alleged killing; Scott's dentist, who compared dental records with the jawbones suspected to be hers; a Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command forensic anthropologist who did a trauma analysis on jawbones suspected to be Scott's; and a Honolulu Police Department DNA specialist who examined fingernails suspected to be Scott's."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...se+revealed+in+motion&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&&ct=clnk
The analysis of jaw trauma ties in with your earlier analysis here. We also learn about fingernails for the first time. We had already heard that the clothes were discovered "filled with maggots." (ugh, I hate those things). I've seen maggots develop here in 2-3 days. I don't know if that is faster than on the mainland, but I think it might be. But that is the hatching. They don't do the full scope of their work that fast.
I found an article on "maceration" -- more standard term than defleshing, which is done by taxidermists, where they apply Dermestes beetles, to clean carcasses down to the bone.
http://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/pubs/az1144.pdf (see No.3, Bug Box)
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/preparation/preparation.htm (not for the faint)
I'm wondering if he decided that he would use fast maceration to break down the evidence, if he hatched a bunch of them in advance and ... yeah, totally gross thought. But the entomologist was called; the word defleshing was used to describe turning a flesh covered jawbone into bone. The forensic pathologist said he had never seen such a case before; surely he had seen ordinary decomp routinely.
The clothes were found in a single pile not far off the path; they were not hidden. A pile of clothes doesn't suggest odds and ends dropped while working in the dark. It reads as a deliberate leaving, a taunting? And just enough of her to identify her, but not a body. The clothes were infested, so they must have been on her or near her very recently, perhaps she was left in them for the process. Well, that's as far into the darkness as my imagination will go. I don't hunt or kill things, and I'm not jaded as to what happens.
I feel though that this is something that would be done in a controlled, secure environment, not some rainy, dark, muddy place in the woods where hunters and fishermen do camp out regularly. So that is why I think she was killed in Haiku where he could control everything, and so that Nala did not see it, was sequestered in the vehicle maybe. The dog was not upset. She did not seem to know anything bad had happened. Also he is a dog person, and he would be very aware of Nala's potential to lead searchers to a spot. The dog could not be allowed to mark the key location by being in the truck out there near Keanae while he did this.
People keep saying that the body was buried or went into the ocean and could be found, but maybe he planned it so that there was nothing to find, except one bone. Maybe he saw her skull as a skull, and that is the story the painting is telling. And then he burned it?
My apologies for the gross factor of the post, but nothing pretty about this crime. My heart is so sad for this young woman and her almost child. Monster.
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Any other theories to cover the information from the denied motion that I quoted?
Not attached to my thinking, just hoping to work through the possible scenarios with the group here the way you all did with the painting, which was amazing. I feel like I can't put the thoughts to rest with the picture all confused. Can only imagine the family feelings.
Not attached to my thinking, just hoping to work through the possible scenarios with the group here the way you all did with the painting, which was amazing. I feel like I can't put the thoughts to rest with the picture all confused. Can only imagine the family feelings.
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I cleared my inbox. Try again.
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Although I do believe he planned to kill her, I'm not so sure if he methodically had an actual plan. I think the aftermath was a ***** show and a somewhat panicked cause and effect.
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Pua, your posts are fascinating. Please do not think lack of response is indication of uninterest.
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http://mauinow.com/2015/03/23/murder-suspect-capobianco-to-stand-trial-in-april/
I wish I knew specifically where this search was. Often the meeting place is not where the search location is.
I wish I knew specifically where this search was. Often the meeting place is not where the search location is.
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Hi, thanks so much for the PM heart goes out. Just posting to say I'm having some eye issues that will make it almost impossible to read for 2-3 days, so consider me still here and waiting to be able to see a screen again.
That post on bugs was a hard one to write. Whether it is wrong or sort of right, I think it is safe to say that her body did not get treated well or with respect. I'm sure that is true of all too many murder victims. It makes me sad to think of this creep looking at a lovely mother to be and viewing her earthly remains as a problem to be dealt with and to treat in any way he felt would be best to get off the hook. It must be extraordinarily tough on her family that the police found pieces of her.
But that is the reality and no amount of sadness will change it, so solving what happened remains as a form of reassembly.
It is certainly possible that he didn't have a master plan. He sure didn't put a good coherent story together. Could be though he had a certain animal cunning about how to deal with the act of violence and the aftermath, but entirely failed in the arena of behaving/speaking like a decent human being who was innocent and caring. Different skill sets.
OK, eyes failing me, all for now.
That post on bugs was a hard one to write. Whether it is wrong or sort of right, I think it is safe to say that her body did not get treated well or with respect. I'm sure that is true of all too many murder victims. It makes me sad to think of this creep looking at a lovely mother to be and viewing her earthly remains as a problem to be dealt with and to treat in any way he felt would be best to get off the hook. It must be extraordinarily tough on her family that the police found pieces of her.
But that is the reality and no amount of sadness will change it, so solving what happened remains as a form of reassembly.
It is certainly possible that he didn't have a master plan. He sure didn't put a good coherent story together. Could be though he had a certain animal cunning about how to deal with the act of violence and the aftermath, but entirely failed in the arena of behaving/speaking like a decent human being who was innocent and caring. Different skill sets.
OK, eyes failing me, all for now.
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So true. Early on the family said they didn't want to announce search locations in advance, so th meetup spot would be white different.
Thanks for this article, had not seen it.
Agree. I'm in "sit quietly and appreciate " mode.
https://www.facebook.com/mauisearchandrescue
Maui Search and Rescue MSAR page says it was at Honomanu Bay.
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/H...2!3m1!1s0x7eab4b3503a5b7e3:0x4a00ce54223b6613
The red marker is further up that indicates Honomanu, but is it down the side road off Hana Hwy that leads right to the bay where they searched? The road has a green tree next to it?
The red marker is further up that indicates Honomanu, but is it down the side road off Hana Hwy that leads right to the bay where they searched? The road has a green tree next to it?
At that time SC was not yet named as a suspect, so it could have been him and his grandfather's home being referred to.
He could explain away having parts of Charli's SUV at his home though because his story is she picked him up there to drive him to Keanae.
Or the grill and parts could have been at someone else's home in Haiku and they could say Charli left them there.
Someone probably took the grill off because it was unique and made her SUV easy to identify.
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