GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[puakenikeni]

Napili, thanks for alerting us to that link. Maui News is always hard to read for non-subscribers, except for the "breaking news" which is free. No problem. I was glad to hear that the court date occurred.

That 5 PM is certainly odd, and is that supposed to be the true last time he saw her, or saw her headlights, or is that when she came over, and after that they went to Keanae? (If 5 PM is even reported correctly.)

The article states that Kimberlyn Scott had told the officer about the phone ping the night before.

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[TD]Scott was concerned that her daughter "hadn't made contact with her over a 24-hour period, which is unusual, and that a ping on her phone was in the area of Keanae," Natividad said.




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We don't know if the officer communicated this to SC, but he may have. So what if SC wasn't even planning to talk about Keanae, and had never told Charli in his phone call for help about Keanae. But all of a sudden there is a ping putting her out there, and he has to think fast and try to account for it? He probably didn't hear where exactly that ping occurred, if he was told. That could explain how he ended up telling a story about going out to the correct or almost correct place, which he had not planned for them to look at. Just as he had not planned for Nalu to ever show up again.

 

[puakenikeni]

I know there are people on this forum with a handle on what SC said he was doing on Sunday, maybe know where he was supposed to be from 3-5 PM?
I can't remember where to look for that info.
It would certainly have made a more believable story if they had gone out while it was daylight. The 8:30 PM trip never sounded likely. But by Thurs. afternoon he was definitely talking about the night time drive and giving times much later, to HNN. Did he switch that all up?

 

[Loio]

Not to put her on blast but Pua once or twice mentioned the family saying the last time they saw Charli was 10pm. ??

 

[PeterTosh]

Ok just to be Devils Advocate considering we have all but hanged SC. Say his story is true? Say the reason he sped up up in Haiku was because as he told me his alternator was dying and his truck was running on battery so time was of the essence. He needed to get the truck home. Thats the last he sees of her in his mirror. She on the other hand realizes she forgot her phone in Keanae. Turns back to retrieve it. Maybe even calls a "Friend"to go with her. Her level of fuel is hearsay. What is reasonable doubt?

 

[PeterTosh]

Capo allegedly got off work Sunday the 9th at 300PM

 

[puakenikeni]

Not to put her on blast but Pua once or twice mentioned the family saying the last time they saw Charli was 10pm. ??

I don't think I ever said that, but if I did I had a brain wire crossed. From what I have seen, she was always reported by her family to have left her sister's in Haiku at about 8. They estimated maybe 8:30 she could have arrived at SC's, or took that from what he said in his interview.

In this latest article, the officer says Kim told him she did not know where SC lived at the time. The police pulled his records to find his address. It is possible the family added a buffer time of 30 minutes to arrive at 8:30 as a time Charli would have gotten to SC's, as a reasonable time when you don't know for sure just where the place is, but know it's somewhere around Haiku. Or they went with the time SC volunteered.

I have a feeling that SC learned when he talked to the family on Tuesday exactly when they had last seen her. Because isn't the first thing you say that you are worried about your sister because you haven't seen her since thus and such a time? That would allow him to start making a timeline that worked with their info, but he did not talk to them until after he gave this interview to the officer.

 

[puakenikeni]

Capo allegedly got off work Sunday the 9th at 300PM

PT, while you were posting, I was finding the convo on your Study page where Capo said he was at work until 3 that day. March 17 post. You guys were shredding him on his timeline. And those FB posts from just after 3 until 4:15 PM you said.

There was no way he could have last seen Charli at 5 PM AFTER going to Keanae with her.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Hope the article got it right and SC really told them 5pm first.

 

[puakenikeni]

I find that going back to the first interviews done really helps pin down what people knew and thought at the time, before other information came along that may have muddied things.

Watch video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7HRuH8xg0

This MauiWatch interview with Kimberlyn is from Wed. the 12th before they go out searching that day. It is before the burned 4Runner was found and before SC gave HNN and interview. It is after the officer interviewed SC the prior morning, after Nala was found, after a search the day before where Steven went out to Keanae to "help" and show "where his truck broke down." This is the morning that Steven is in Wailuku talking to the police.

In the first seconds of the interview, she gives the timeline Steven gave them. Even though these times must be from his information, she wouldn't repeat them as solid unless they agreed with possible times from when the sisters last saw Charli. If they had said she left at 10 PM, then Kim wouldn't be buying into Charli picking up Steven at 8:30.
She says in the interview:
8:30 Charli picks Steven up
9:30 they get to Keanae to his truck
10:30 he last sees her lights at Ulalena.
But the family used the iPhone app to get the last ping near Honomanu Bay just before 11 PM.
Not in this interview but in others, Steven said his truck broke down near the 20 mm, which was not where her clothes and other evidence was found. So he did not point them to the exact right place.

 

[puakenikeni]

Ok just to be Devils Advocate considering we have all but hanged SC. Say his story is true? Say the reason he sped up up in Haiku was because as he told me his alternator was dying and his truck was running on battery so time was of the essence. He needed to get the truck home. Thats the last he sees of her in his mirror. She on the other hand realizes she forgot her phone in Keanae. Turns back to retrieve it. Maybe even calls a "Friend"to go with her. Her level of fuel is hearsay. What is reasonable doubt?

Good to play Dev. Ad.

OK, well if it is an hour from his house to the truck, which he said, and they are back more or less in Haiku at 10:30, and she turns around at that time, she would not be back at the phone for about an hour, which is 30 minutes more than the phone ping. I have some other thoughts about pinging and using the cell that I wrote out and deleted, no point speculating about cell records that should ultimately get produced.

I seriously doubt a woman would head back out to Keanae alone at that time of night, gas or no gas, double no for pregnant woman. If she had dropped the phone (but SC said she never got out of the car), it would be in a ditch or somewhere not so easy to find. I wouldn't go back without another phone to at least call it and find it by the ring. Head out there for an hour's drive with no phone in case of problems? No way. And she never called her phone with some other phone, because her phone records from AT&T would reflect an incoming call, a missed call. iPhones are wonderful that way.

Reasonable doubt would need to be overcome by all the circumstantial evidence put together, not just this one piece, and by some sort of DNA or evidentiary tie between Steven and the physical evidence associated with the crime.

 

[puakenikeni]

I just ran across a news interview from the Friday, 2/15, with Kim and Phaedra, that I'd never seen before. It's very sad though. You all may have seen it.
Anyhow, it tells about her finding the clothes, and then it has a photo shot of a dark piece of clothing in the weeds, the black skirt? It looks like maybe she provided a pic that she took. I know they took a bunch of photos before they moved anything. Not meaning to be gruesome, just that seeing it gives me a bit more of an idea of the terrain and how hidden it was or wasn't.
It's at 1:29 into the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okAIVIIT2pU

 

[PeterTosh]

Good to play Dev. Ad.

OK, well if it is an hour from his house to the truck, which he said, and they are back more or less in Haiku at 10:30, and she turns around at that time, she would not be back at the phone for about an hour, which is 30 minutes more than the phone ping. I have some other thoughts about pinging and using the cell that I wrote out and deleted, no point speculating about cell records that should ultimately get produced.

I seriously doubt a woman would head back out to Keanae alone at that time of night, gas or no gas, double no for pregnant woman. If she had dropped the phone (but SC said she never got out of the car), it would be in a ditch or somewhere not so easy to find. I wouldn't go back without another phone to at least call it and find it by the ring. Head out there for an hour's drive with no phone in case of problems? No way. And she never called her phone with some other phone, because her phone records from AT&T would reflect an incoming call, a missed call. iPhones are wonderful that way.

Reasonable doubt would need to be overcome by all the circumstantial evidence put together, not just this one piece, and by some sort of DNA or evidentiary tie between Steven and the physical evidence associated with the crime.

Well I think you are right about her not getting out of the car and therefore hard to lose phone. I think that a phone pings if its on.

 

[puakenikeni]

I think the phone pings a tower when it leaves one tower's coverage area and searches for and finds a new tower. It contacts the tower when it makes a call or fetches data or pushes data like sending an email or browsing. The phone has a setting that determines whether the phone "fetches" at regular intervals. I have mine set on manual fetch because auto-fetch runs the battery down very fast, but that is not the default setting. We don't know how Charli had her iPhone set, which would affect how often it contacts the towers.

if a person doesn't have an unlimited data plan, the phone is better set to not download data all the time, because it is free to download it at home with wireless internet service, and it costs to use the 4G away from home.

 

[puakenikeni]

I just checked my phone settings. Aside from the Push and Fetch settings that the user controls, there is a Cellular setting that restricts ALL data transfer to Wi Fi. So if you are not in range of your Wi Fi, your phone does not activate and check your email or any other browsing or activity that uses up your data allowance.

I don't care because I have an affordable unlimited data plan that AT&T doesn't offer any more. But most people have to be conscious of how much cellular data their iPhone consumes. If so, the phone (not in use) would not be pinging unless it moved down the road and had to find a new tower. That is my understanding and am open to correction, for sure.

PS. Not wanting to confuse anyone with terms ..
Fetch is when the phone reaches out to the email servers looking for new mail or to apps like Facebook that generate notifications and messages.

Push is when you have allowed apps and servers to send you their stuff whenever it comes in, no waiting until you ask for it.

Limiting the phone to Wi Fi data exchange (turning off Cellular) means the Push and Fetch don't operate unless you are in a hotspot or at home. Obviously there is a lack of Wi Fi hotspots on Hana Highway.

 

[puakenikeni]

It's interesting that the phone kept ringing for days. So it was not turned off, or flooded with water or crushed, which would turn it off, nor was the battery run down. Yet it never pinged again (which to me indicates it was set not to auto-ping, which also would save the battery charge). If it was on until the battery was exhausted, and it never pinged again, then it never left Keanae during that time, right? It's a pretty harsh environment for electronics. Suggests it was protected somehow.

 

[RunDaSurf]

He probably wasn't counting on them getting the ping at Keanae that fast but did he think they would never get phone records? Records would eventually show if a story didn't match where her phone had been.

If he drove her to Keanae against her will wouldn't he separate her from her phone first? Can't have her calling 911 while he's driving so what did he do with her phone?

 

[RunDaSurf]

It's interesting that the phone kept ringing for days. So it was not turned off, or flooded with water or crushed, which would turn it off, nor was the battery run down. Yet it never pinged again (which to me indicates it was set not to auto-ping, which also would save the battery charge). If it was on until the battery was exhausted, and it never pinged again, then it never left Keanae during that time, right? It's a pretty harsh environment for electronics. Suggests it was protected somehow.

If it was in iphone airplane mode until the battery was exhuasted it would never ping again no matter what location it moved to. As long as airplane mode was never turned off again.

 

[Loio]

Ladies where did you guys find the information that Charli was at her sister's birthday party that Sunday night? Also was she last seen at 10 pm or 8 pm?

I asked on 4/24/15 where the "last seen at 10 pm" time came from because someone had mentioned it in their reply. I can't find the post anymore (it may have been deleted, some were edited) but it makes a huge difference in SC's alibi.

 

[puakenikeni]

good points about the phone!
Does it ring in airplane mode? I think it goes straight to voicemail.

lolo, I don't know what you mean about the 10 PM. I was always clear that she left her sister's house in time to where she could have to Steven's by 8:30. Maybe it was someone else's post. Maybe the 10 PM referred to when she was supposedly coming back with SC. I don't know. If you listen to Kim's interview that I linked above, she gives a time frame. There is no reason to think she had the wrong time for when Charli left the dinner.

I PMd you the answer to the first part of your question after you asked it. There was no time of evening given with that particular information. The family gave interviews early on that gave a time frame, but it's time-consuming to go back through them all to answer someone's question, sorry.

 

[Mamamerced]

Napili, thanks for alerting us to that link. Maui News is always hard to read for non-subscribers, except for the "breaking news" which is free. No problem. I was glad to hear that the court date occurred.

That 5 PM is certainly odd, and is that supposed to be the true last time he saw her, or saw her headlights, or is that when she came over, and after that they went to Keanae? (If 5 PM is even reported correctly.)

The article states that Kimberlyn Scott had told the officer about the phone ping the night before.
We don't know if the officer communicated this to SC, but he may have. So what if SC wasn't even planning to talk about Keanae, and had never told Charli in his phone call for help about Keanae. But all of a sudden there is a ping putting her out there, and he has to think fast and try to account for it? He probably didn't hear where exactly that ping occurred, if he was told. That could explain how he ended up telling a story about going out to the correct or almost correct place, which he had not planned for them to look at. Just as he had not planned for Nalu to ever show up again.

This alone makes me feel, even more strongly, that he killed them out there. Not necessarily in Kaenae, but up there as opposed to Haiku. It explains as well why SC would cast suspicion on himself by saying he was in that area with Charli that night. He was scrambling.