GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[PeterTosh]

JMHO, but I think the prosecution has more evidence than has been revealed to this point. For example, I wonder if the detectives were able to trace the distinctive grille from Charli's vehicle from the people who had it back to SC. That would be pretty incriminating.

At the time they were cooperating and and turned themselves in.

 

[Loio]

Why would SC put his hand near a burning car and why on the backs? Obviously he was not grabbing anything hot. He burned the back so he would have been lifting up under something hot. I remember the family putting the APB on her laptop. Maybe he felt he had to retrieve it as there might have been something incriminating on it.

Not sure if you're quoting me or not but I said he reached into a hot engine. I've made that mistake. Or maybe touched the exhaust pipe flipping it over. It's not like he would wait for it to cool. The car was torched in a stripped condition. He didn't tow the thing down there.

The family is looking for her laptop, phone, wallet, keys, Charli, etc. SC wants his statements to detectives suppressed and any evidence they gathered from it because it's how they can prove he killed her.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Kimberlyn wasn't with Charli the night before, so she didn't personally see Nala. Charli was with Brooke that day doing baby and pregnancy planning as they were both expecting (which is heartbreaking), and in the evening the sisters had a birthday party. But I cannot find any interviews with Brooke where she talks about seeing Nala with Charli.

Kimberlyn did see Charli Sunday night. (10:15) [video=youtube;ShG0Q498oLQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShG0Q498oLQ[/video]

"Charli stopped by her family's home around 6PM for dinner and a visit with her sisters."
"We all saw her at Brooke's house watching Disney cartoons." Kimberlyn Scott

 

[heartgoesout]

As far as what evidence they have on SC, I'll just touch on my experience with the justice system and the courts. (We were lucky enough that the man confessed and plead guilty and is currently serving a life sentence.) Anyway, we thought we were aware of all the evidence. Turns out they had much more and we were given the cliff note version of what they knew. For example, the detectives and the DA were in possession of video that showed damning evidence. It showed the suspect following and stalking my family member. We had no idea the video existed. And this was months later. They showed us the video right before the sentencing. Maybe to have us crying as we entered the court room to influence the judge and print a good story that they put a murderer behind bars. They also had his videoed interrogation, crime scene photos and autopsy photos. We were never shown any of that. My point is family is not always in the know as much as you would think they are.

 

[RunDaSurf]

At the time they were cooperating and and turned themselves in.

Do you know who had the grille?????

 

[Loio]

It is in the realm of possibility that Charli left Brooke's and went home to Makawao. It's in the realm that Steven was coming over to her house, and not the reverse. With or without her foreknowledge, as he may have had a key and was allegedly able to break into a house or two in the past. He could have gone over there and secured the dogs so they would not be a problem, if Nala was not with her.
A lot is possible if you X out his story that she told to no one.
Maybe she told none of her friends because she had nothing to tell and had no plans to see him.

Omg Pua! You and I are on the same page (for once )! I was thinking Steven either took Nala to bait Charli or Nala was already at his house, hanging with Chunk and the other pup.

I put way too much stock in Nala being there during the slaying. Poor dog was probably dog-napped and tied up in Nahiku.

He did say the other dog was locked up all day. Ok, Kimberlyn or the girls could've mentioned that or he would already know that because he left the dog behind.

He made up the dog story. Charli might be in Makawao.

 

[heartgoesout]

^ I've been saying this for months...

 

[Loio]

^ I've been saying this for months...

Really? I'm sorry! Ok well I'm echoing what you and Pua have said. The whole Haiku story was probably made up. I'll catch up on your posts tonight.

 

[Loio]

Btw Heart, when I read your signature I immediately thought "what if SC lied about the trip to Haiku as a red herring." Bravo to you! Normally I don't have sigs turned on but for some reason yours came up! I feel like I need a cigarette or something and I don't even smoke.

 

[heartgoesout]

Lol lol I got a chuckle. I'm not saying I'm right and like everyone I spin this over in my head with different angles. I have come to terms that his story is fantasy.

 

[Loio]

Lol lol I got a chuckle. I'm not saying I'm right and like everyone I spin this over in my head with different angles. I have come to terms that his story is fantasy.

Yep. Except for the part about it taking 10 minutes to fix his truck (remove the grill) because he had extra light tools (socket wrench) and she HAD a mouth on her (left behind a piece of jawbone and tooth).

Remember also he wants to challenge the credibility of the pathologist that examined his phone records. Something about the phone records contradicting his story. SC once called us a "bunch idiots on the internet" because websleuths were running away with his story. Lol! Yeah good one Steve you old sly fox.

 

[puakenikeni]

Kimberlyn did see Charli Sunday night. (10:15) [video=youtube;ShG0Q498oLQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShG0Q498oLQ[/video]

"Charli stopped by her family's home around 6PM for dinner and a visit with her sisters."
"We all saw her at Brooke's house watching Disney cartoons." Kimberlyn Scott

Thanks, RDS, that was very helpful. I am glad Kim was there on the last evening!

Here is a snippet on earlier that day that I found yesterday, that places Charli at Brooke's in the morning. The afternoon is not mentioned.

The day Charli disappeared, she and Brooke had spent the morning watching movies and planning their pregnancies together.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/26028971/exclusive-charli-scotts-family-speaks-out

 

[heartgoesout]

I do believe the brain works in a way that parts of his story ring true. Whether it was past experiences for him or things he did that night alone or in the days after, the brain, even when telling lies works off of what it knows.

 

[heartgoesout]

I have a question about the phone ping. Charli's last phone ping was at 10:56 pm Sunday night. If I understand correctly Ms. Kimberlyn used an app to locate Charli's phone. That doesn't mean that the phone wasn't there at, let's say 9pm or 10pm and so on. That was just the time she happened to try to locate it, correct?

 

[puakenikeni]

I do believe the brain works in a way that parts of his story ring true. Whether it was past experiences for him or things he did that night alone or in the days after, the brain, even when telling lies works off of what it knows.

Agree so much. I would add, from what I have studied of psychology/psychoanalysis, that the brain preferentially draws on available material rather than absolute invention, however, the psyche Oren chooses material in which it has some deep investment or pressure to work through. Intense preoccupations may be worked through with fantasy as well as reality. Or should I say, there is not always a clear line between fantasy and reality when it comes to working through trauma.

Loio, I like what you did there with the tools and the mouth. That is a great example of how some very intense true material can work its way into a story.

The earlier topic has a long discussion of the burning skull painting, where someone here also brought out his comment about "she had a mouth on her" in connection.

The experts did a trauma analysis on her jawbone. It's possible that he had suppressed fury against her for saying things he didn't like hearing, and that it erupted and targets that part of her physical body to silence her.

 

[puakenikeni]

Yep. Except for the part about it taking 10 minutes to fix his truck (remove the grill) because he had extra light tools (socket wrench) and she HAD a mouth on her (left behind a piece of jawbone and tooth).

Remember also he wants to challenge the credibility of the pathologist that examined his phone records. Something about the phone records contradicting his story. SC once called us a "bunch idiots on the internet" because websleuths were running away with his story. Lol! Yeah good one Steve you old sly fox.

I hadn't heard he said that about web idiots. He is such a genius.

FYI, they weren't seeking to suppress his phone records. No basis. The challenge you mention was an attempt to dismiss the whole case by attacking the procedure at the Grand Jury that produced the indictment. The basis was that a different expert testified in a couple areas instead of the original examiner, so they attacked this as hearsay. The pathologist was not attacked for his own findings.

btw, the pathologist works mainly on body-related evidence. They have a police tech on the phone records.

Anyhow, the phone records probably are a big bummer to SC, but he is stuck with them unless they come up with some other basis for a motion such as not properly getting a subpoena to obtain them, which I'm sure is not the case.

 

[PeterTosh]

Just to throw it out there...

We discount everything SC has said. Say Charli went home. Say SC goes there. Charli lives less than a couple Football fields from the old Makawao/Haliimaile/Pukalani Dump. The dump was closed less than 23 years ago. They cant build on it yet. Presume he kills her and takes her there or does it there. Buries her. Takes her belongings and Nala to Keanae and Naihiku to lead MPD and searchers astray. The only part that doesnt hold water is the jawbone and clothes. Yet the sister found the clothes after the area had already been searched. Now I am all for cosmic consciousness and family psychic connection and instinct. So I can buy that she clued in to where they were and dont want to cast aspersions. So presume SC drove her car down to Keanae. Got rid of the body and ditched the dog in Naihiku and drove back to Jaws and torched the truck. Well within walking distance of his house. But how would he have gotten to Charlis house? He would have had to retrieve his truck if he drove it to her house? Did he have help? It makes more sense in all of theory's if he did. So she didnt go home. She went to his house. They went to Keanae for a moonlight drive. Bang! Slices her up to kill the baby. All in preperation for his new girlfriend who was returning that week. The one who didnt want to be a stepmother. Who skyped with him every night. He was preparing the nest. He needed to clear it out first.

 

[Mamamerced]

K

Agree so much. I would add, from what I have studied of psychology/psychoanalysis, that the brain preferentially draws on available material rather than absolute invention, however, the psyche Oren chooses material in which it has some deep investment or pressure to work through. Intense preoccupations may be worked through with fantasy as well as reality. Or should I say, there is not always a clear line between fantasy and reality when it comes to working through trauma.

Loio, I like what you did there with the tools and the mouth. That is a great example of how some very intense true material can work its way into a story.

The earlier topic has a long discussion of the burning skull painting, where someone here also brought out his comment about "she had a mouth on her" in connection.

The experts did a trauma analysis on her jawbone. It's possible that he had suppressed fury against her for saying things he didn't like hearing, and that it erupted and targets that part of her physical body to silence her.

Interesting. The jawbone is often the first bone to disarticulate during decomposition, however. Consider that JMO, though, because I don't have a link. Does the public know the results of the trauma analysis, yet?

 

[Mamamerced]

Just to throw it out there...

We discount everything SC has said. Say Charli went home. Say SC goes there. Charli lives less than a couple Football fields from the old Makawao/Haliimaile/Pukalani Dump. The dump was closed less than 23 years ago. They cant build on it yet. Presume he kills her and takes her there or does it there. Buries her. Takes her belongings and Nala to Keanae and Naihiku to lead MPD and searchers astray. The only part that doesnt hold water is the jawbone and clothes. Yet the sister found the clothes after the area had already been searched. Now I am all for cosmic consciousness and family psychic connection and instinct. So I can buy that she clued in to where they were and dont want to cast aspersions. So presume SC drove her car down to Keanae. Got rid of the body and ditched the dog in Naihiku and drove back to Jaws and torched the truck. Well within walking distance of his house. But how would he have gotten to Charlis house? He would have had to retrieve his truck if he drove it to her house? Did he have help? It makes more sense in all of theory's if he did. So she didnt go home. She went to his house. They went to Keanae for a moonlight drive. Bang! Slices her up to kill the baby. All in preperation for his new girlfriend who was returning that week. The one who didnt want to be a stepmother. Who skyped with him every night. He was preparing the nest. He needed to clear it out first.

Chilling to read; but so was the crime.
As to what would SC have done with his truck if he was at Charlie's, consider this.............perhaps Charlie picked him up after leaving Brooke's. Prearranged that day around 5 pm, possibly.
Do you have an idea how long it would take Charlie's body to decompose in that climate?

 

[PeterTosh]

Chilling to read; but so was the crime.
As to what would SC have done with his truck if he was at Charlie's, consider this.............perhaps Charlie picked him up after leaving Brooke's. Prearranged that day around 5 pm, possibly.
Do you have an idea how long it would take Charlie's body to decompose in that climate?

Not long. A rooster takes a couple weeks