GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[Kapua]

I'm still stuck on the dog, months later, Nala hounds me (pun intended). Why is SC trying to get his statement to Loo thrown out in regards to that dog? What on Earth did he say? He didn't know Nala had been found on Tuesday morning. OK so what and...?

IMHO, the presence of the dog in Nahiku says that someone whom the dog trusted took her there. I don't care how big and dumb Nala is, at the end of the day she is still a dog and, given the opportunity, would rip up a stranger who tried to attack her master.

In addition to RunDaSurf's concise analysis, I just have to say that the location of the stab wounds (indicates personal reasons for attack, IMHO), the dog being found in Nahiku, the jawbone, and SC admitting that he was with Charli that night are the key pieces of evidence that we know about thus far. If I were sitting on the jury, and I won't be, and the prosecution showed the jury the skirt with the stab wounds, I would say to myself, "Hmmm somebody sure wanted to make sure that baby Joshua was dead."

All MOO. :cow:

 

[puakenikeni]

Agree, Kapua, that Nala knocks out the stranger attack theory, and if you reread comments from last year, it was very prevalent that people said that immediately. That one thing really shifted suspicion to SC if it was not there already.

I noticed a couple interesting Nala comments from a year ago on Find Charli Scott under the link to the Disappeared episode.
Link:
https://www.facebook.com/FindCharliScott/posts/670716196334339

1) FCS (I think it is Kim responding on this) says that SC knew Zoe better than Nala, although he was not a stranger to Nala.

2) She says they have observed both dogs "near" SC since the disappearance (2nd comment she makes, see comment for exactly what she says) and they are showing no strange behavior towards him. (I read that elsewhere from Kim that both dogs went through despondent or behavioral reactions after Charli was gone. Those can probably be ascribed to their owner disappearing on them.)

I think the conclusion Kim reached and most would reach is that neither dog saw Steven harm Charli, nor did he mistreat them in any way that made a lasting impression. They also thought Nala was dropped off by someone she knew.

 

[heartgoesout]

If sc said I did not want to be a father. I wanted nothing to do with it, a defense attorney could argue that doesn't mean he killed her. There has to be actual evidence of guilt without a resonable doubt. Look at the Casey Anthony trial. One of the biggest prosecutors thing was pic after pic how she didn't want to be a mom. She could have went on the stand and said I didn't want the child. That alone is not enough to convict. Whether a jury sees through things does not mean their lawful instructions will allow a guilty verdict. I hope and pray they have evidence that has not been made public yet.

 

[puakenikeni]

If sc said I did not want to be a father. I wanted nothing to do with it, a defense attorney could argue that doesn't mean he killed her. There has to be actual evidence of guilt without a resonable doubt. Look at the Casey Anthony trial. One of the biggest prosecutors thing was pic after pic how she didn't want to be a mom. She could have went on the stand and said I didn't want the child. That alone is not enough to convict. Whether a jury sees through things does not mean their lawful instructions will allow a guilty verdict. I hope and pray they have evidence that has not been made public yet.

So true. The jury's perception will allow them to be favorably disposed towards the evidence, but as you say, they will need solid evidence to meet the beyond reasonable doubt standard. Inference and likelihood and "makes no sense otherwise" won't qualify. Fingers crossed.

 

[puakenikeni]

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["They were able to tie SC to the arson - fact.

They were able to tie Charli's murder to SC based on the finding of her jawbone (and tooth) - fact.

What did SC say that Wednesday morning (2/12/14) to Detective Loo that they were able to glean enough insight and later evidence to assemble a grand jury and consequently, indicte him?"]
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...These are significant facts... What I'll be pondering, after setting aside for now all the other facts and speculations swirling around, are these two points. And that big question.

I'd like for this all to be fact, and it's very possible it is fact and will be revealed in trial, but I haven't seen any support for the last two statements, sorry. I just see statements, but no links or evidence of why they are true.
Statement 1 is self-evident because he was charged for arson of her property, so they have some basis for the charge.

I've never seen it stated that they tied Charli's murder to Steven based on the bone and tooth. I know from media releases they used the find to conclude that she was a homicide victim, that she was deceased, and not from natural causes.

The assumption about the statement to Loo is really not supported by what I've seen in print. I've never seen it said that this statement was key to the grand jury assembly and indictment.
Seeking to suppress certain evidence does NOT mean the evidence is a centerpiece of the case. I assume that Steven's story about meeting up with Charli and going to Keanae to fix his vehicle is important, of course. That's a lie in all or part, so if they can prove the lie in it, that will go a long way, but that's basic, and Loio seems to be hinting there is more to it?

There might be more to it, but we're only supposed to state things are a fact if we have some support, and spell out the support. If that isn't presented, then it's not yet a fact in my book.

 

[PeterTosh]

Steven "Could" have said that Nala with Charli followed him all the way back to Twin Falls. Which puts him in a bad light right off the bat because the dog was found in Naihiku, suggesting the dog never left that area and Steven is a,liar.

 

[Mamamerced]

Steven "Could" have said that Nala with Charli followed him all the way back to Twin Falls. Which puts him in a bad light right off the bat because the dog was found in Naihiku, suggesting the dog never left that area and Steven is a,liar.

Well, in SC's interview with the reporter he did say yes/yeah when asked if Nala was with Charli when they left Keanae.

 

[Napili]

I'd like for this all to be fact, and it's very possible it is fact and will be revealed in trial, but I haven't seen any support for the last two statements, sorry. I just see statements, but no links or evidence of why they are true.
Statement 1 is self-evident because he was charged for arson of her property, so they have some basis for the charge.

I've never seen it stated that they tied Charli's murder to Steven based on the bone and tooth. I know from media releases they used the find to conclude that she was a homicide victim, that she was deceased, and not from natural causes.

The assumption about the statement to Loo is really not supported by what I've seen in print. I've never seen it said that this statement was key to the grand jury assembly and indictment.
Seeking to suppress certain evidence does NOT mean the evidence is a centerpiece of the case. I assume that Steven's story about meeting up with Charli and going to Keanae to fix his vehicle is important, of course. That's a lie in all or part, so if they can prove the lie in it, that will go a long way, but that's basic, and Loio? seems to be hinting there is more to it?

There might be more to it, but we're only supposed to state things are a fact if we have some support, and spell out the support. If that isn't presented, then it's not yet a fact in my book.

Yep. You're right, Pua. Points well taken. Thanks. Deleted.

 

[Kapua]

Another key piece of evidence is the fact that Charli was a super reliable employee.
[video=youtube;t0utLgUxd68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0utLgUxd68[/video]
From 3:54 - 4:44 her employer, co-worker, and mom speak about how reliable Charli is. KS states that she became very worried when she discovered that Charli didn't show up for work: KS: "She never showed and this was one of those moments that I knew that something really bad was happening." Interviewer: "Why is that?" KS: "Because Charli never doesn't show."

I personally don't find it reasonable that in the few hours between Sunday night and Monday morning, some random criminal was able to take Nala to Nahiku, kill Charli and stab baby Joshua 20 times, dispose of most of the evidence, and burn the vehicle. As I have posted at least 3 previous times, a stranger would have a) found an easier target, or b) shot the dog first in order to get to Charli. SC's own ridiculous story has her traveling in the opposite direction from where the evidence was found. Maybe others have a different interpretation of the legal term "reasonable doubt", but to me, it means that there has to be another possibility within the realm of reason.

 

[Loio]

There is an article out there from last July that said "they" were able to link Charli's murder to Steven based on her jawbone. I'll find it one of these days.

 

[EmmaRose]

There is an article out there from last July that said "they" were able to link Charli's murder to Steven based on her jawbone. I'll find it one of these days.

Is this the article you mean, Lolo?

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'The discovery of the jawbone of a missing, pregnant Maui woman helped authorities file a murder charge against her ex-boyfriend, a person familiar with the investigation said Wednesday.
The find marked a turning point in what started as a missing persons case involving Carly Scott, 27, who disappeared in February while five months pregnant.'

'The person, who was not authorized to discuss the case, declined to reveal exactly how authorities linked the jawbone to Capobianco, the father of Scott's child.
He is accused of killing Scott and burning her sport utility vehicle to cover up the crime. The Makawao woman's burned 1997 Toyota 4Runner was found on the island's north shore.'

'Hawaii law doesn't consider a fetus a person for purposes of homicide charges'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...one-found.html
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Newlywed 81-year-old, legally blind millionaire with bad knees disappears without his car, money, keys or glasses in CA. Daughters hope he'll show up.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2009-18/page33


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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...9#post10801289

 

[puakenikeni]

There is an article out there from last July that said "they" were able to link Charli's murder to Steven based on her jawbone. I'll find it one of these days.

Cool. I think I know the article(s) from the title, similar ones got carried on various media.

http://www.kitv.com/news/source-finding-scotts-jawbone-aided-in-murder-charge/26990100
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/carly-scott-murdered-jawbone-found_n_5593557.html
Most versions have this line:

The finding of the jawbone helped authorities file the murder charge, a person familiar with the investigation said Wednesday. The person, who was not authorized to discuss the case, declined to reveal exactly how authorities linked the jawbone to Capobianco

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I see what you are saying, but the wording has always made me nervous for the case. It says that finding the jawbone helped them file the murder charge, but that could be that without a body part or evidence of the crime, they could not have proved murder. It does not say that the jawbone specifically gave them a link to Steven, and they decline to reveal how that might be.

I certainly hope they have something good linking him to the bone. I hope they have DNA or a match to one of his weapons. I hope, I hope.
But I always felt that this statement left some doubt because they hedged the wording a little.

 

[puakenikeni]

Just a note, I hadn't refreshed the page and seen Emma Rose's comment. I searched the article on the web. There is a variation on most major news services. The one above says the find "marks a turning point." Again, it was a turning point that showed murder occurred, but nothing specific at all was ever said about the connection to Steven. I don't want to assume and be disappointed, that is all.

 

[puakenikeni]

Well, in SC's interview with the reporter he did say yes/yeah when asked if Nala was with Charli when they left Keanae.

He sure did, and he after he knew Nala had been found. He may have felt locked in because he had already told the police this. Ironically, this statement is going to remain public even if the statement to police were to get suppressed.

 

[heartgoesout]

I have looked with no success, hoping someone else can find Jury instructions for a second degree murder conviction for Hawaii. I'd like to read how the jurors will be instructed to decide SC fate.

 

[heartgoesout]

Just some insight from my experience. My uncles murderer confessed and pled guilty. There was no trial just a series of many hearings. I don't know why, but the DA did not tell us about the evidence they had. There where surprises at the sentencing hearing. (normally this would all be presented at the trial) A few examples, he did not tell us about the research they had to present to the sentencing judge about how a gun trigger requires a certain weight applied for the trigger to react. I mentioned before we knew nothing of a video showing evidence they had, we never saw the confession tape or crime scene photos. We didn't know his girlfriend turned him in or that they tracked him down using cell phone pings. They had specifics on hw they found the murder weapon. Up till that day we just new that had it. I could go on.
Now, this was just my experience and I say it as an example that LE doesn't lay all their eggs on the table, I have to believe that LE has a lot more on SC than what we are hearing. We did just find out about the burn marks on his hands. Trust me they are doing research on what could have caused the burns and an expert will come in and testify to that. I think that we are a few steps, no many steps behind the DA in our knowledge on this case. Every new article that comes out offers a bit more incite and new ohhhh information. Fingers crossed!!

 

[heartgoesout]

I just want to say to any of Charli's family or friends, we will always be on here to listen. We won't go anywhere. If you ever just need someone to be there, just to read your thoughts, we are here. Therapeutic strangers. : )

 

[Loio]

^^^ What Heart said.

 

[Loio]

^^^ Wait, I'm in agreement with what Heart said about her uncle's murder and not being in the know. This is EXACTLY what's going on in Charli's case. •thumbs up•

 

[puakenikeni]

Monday testimony is up on Maui News, includes the step-grandfather.
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/598888/
Motion continues in mid-July, sigh ...