GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

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  • #701
Like the Family Feud Pua and HGO, good answer good answer! Lol.

Evidence heard: there's a court date tomorrow.

Charli's studio was isolated in the sense that it was on a property located at the beginning of a street but it was hidden by a huge wall of foliage.

Pua I've wondered too if maybe Charli wasn't the doting ex girlfriend as it's often speculated. Something drove him to the breaking point and I have a hard time believing it was the woman in PA. He capitalized on Moiera's disappearance a month earlier to make it seem like there was a serial killer on Maui. But hello, the only serial killers on Maui are fast food and ex boyfriends!

Lydia, Adam and the towed Toyota. Parking is at a premium on Maui. Keeping the car on a farm upcountry sounds ideal.

While hanging Halloween decorations the other day the jawbone fell off of the skeleton and my stomach flopped. This man has messed up Halloween (Christmas, birthdays, anniversaries) for a whole lot of people. Can we brainstorm legal ways to torment him? We need to find Charli's remains.
Oh, what an image and a resonating observation. I guess that's what monsters do, mess things up and in a ripple effect as it touches lives that wouldn't otherwise have been connected.

I think your observations re terrific. There is actually a lot of info in MMA that indicates Charli was hung up on SC and had been for years. That makes her no less a lovely and innocent lady in my eyes, but looking at it helps to explain how she in the end fell victim to him. Because he was evil and she somehow trusted he wasn't. And that's not her fault, it's his.
If I were not so crazy busy right now, I could assemble some quotes on that, but right now I have no more time.

My apologies for intermittent responses. Workload is crushing my time to come here.
 
  • #702
What happened in court today?
 
  • #703
http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...Capobianco-can-be-used-at-a-trial.html?nav=10

Great new! Judge rules statements can be used. SC volunteered to cooperate, the officers at his house were conducting routine follow up and not collecting evidence. SC volunteered to take the polygraph, was not in a custodial situation at the police station, set up the time of meeting at his convenience, and knew he was free to leave and not cooperate.

good start. What a waste of months of time passing though.
Trial set 1/19 as posted earlier.
 
  • #704
excellent news! Now let's hope those statements he made are helpful in his guilt verdict.
 
  • #705
excellent news! Now let's hope those statements he made are helpful in his guilt verdict.
\This is my speculation. First, the statements he made are all that tied him to being the last person to see Charli, and to driving out Hana Highway. If he hadn't said so, no one would be able to prove it. On that score though, he stated the story of the drive to get his truck on MMA, to Malika Lincoln, and that was not possible to suppress. He also made statements to family and searchers. His admission that he and Charli drove to Keanae was not going back in the box.

So what else? I'm guessing there was contradiction. Brooke Scott made public statements that he had changed his story, and they wanted answers. The statements to police are more opportunities for him to contradict himself in his story, which will help the prosecution discredit him. As SC should not be put on stand as a witness, the statements are what there is to tell his side of the story, and if that can be shredded, that's going to weigh with the jury.

The timeline on Sunday, what was wrong with his truck, when he last saw her headlights, whether Nalu was with them (he made a statement before she turned up), all may have multiple contradictions.

One has to wonder why he ever said anything. One theory is that he was seen out there. But why did he take people to the area very close to where her clothes and evidence of the crime were ultimately found? Hubris? Didn't reckon on a whole search army springing up? The phone ping lead wasn't helping searchers until Thursday, after his statements.

I think Nikki Lissette's comment above is right on. The Mo Monsalves disappearance meant that people were talking about a serial killer. (Laura Vogel too, she disappeared not so far from where the car was found.) His story of her following him alone in her vehicle set up the idea that she stopped to help or was waylaid on the highway and abducted. But the presence of protective Nalu, a pitbull mix, was problematic. And then Nalu being found far far from Twin Falls, unscathed, really made everyone doubt at that time it was a stranger abduction. If you read the old comments to the media articles, public opinion went south on him at that point (not that most people bought his original story).

In any case, filing a motion to suppress is what the defense does, and it doesn't mean there was gold in his statements. More like, the more your defendant has opened his mouth, the worse for the case, so get as much of it out as you can. There's a reason people have a right to silence; it's the best strategy.
 
  • #706
Do they have a bargaining chip with him to give up the real story and where Charlie and Joshua can be found?
 
  • #707
Yes, the enhanced circumstances count could be bargained down to straight second degree murder, so he would be able to get out of prison. Hawai'i's track record with early release is overly generous. So it would be a costly bargain for the family and all who are horrified by this crime.

And if he gave up that info, it would be an admission of guilt, so not very likely be would do that until the prosecution presents the case. If their case is weak, he could refuse to take a plea bargain. The enhanced charge is going to be tough to prove beyond reasonable doubt without a witness or confession, sad to say.
 
  • #708
Would someone here please post the date of SC's trial. All I remember is it's in early 2016. Thanks.
 
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  • #711
That's coming soon.
 
  • #712
per KS's FB post, they go to trial Jan. 27th. I think even though proceedings will begin on the 19th, the public portion will not be right away.
 
  • #713
I am curious if the skull painting turns out to be what I saw.
Honestly, I would be surprised if it comes up. In any case, he's not going to testify unless his attorney is an idiot. Homicide defendants sit and watch while the prosecution makes a case against them. I am very worried. It's going to be a really tough case. There's no sign that the prosecution has great evidence tying SC to the murder. Even if his DNA is all over her, he already stated he was with her, and they had a relationship. Had they found a murder weapon on him, that would be nice. I do think the jury will be likely to want to convict him, but the evidence has to be sufficient or the judge will be bound to step in. I hope hope hope for the best. Lots of thoughts for the family in this time of great stress and emotional pain.
 
  • #714
I ran into the "Study" page by Crabapple Jones (modsnip) again yesterday, and decided to reread it. Such a valuable project, and amazing because SC has the idiocy to join the conversation and insult people for being "wrong" (in March 2014). The page comes up with a google search, not sure if I can link it here.

CJ's theory at the time was that Charli never left Haiku, and that SC drove Nala and her clothes (and blanket, and other evidence) to plant it from Keanae to Nahiku. I would like to revisit that and see what you all think once again.

PRO:
1) If the murder occurs Haiku or Makawao -- SC does not need to trick Charli into driving him to Keanae on a Sunday night before work. Nor does he need to drug her, or tie her up and gag her to transport her in the vehicle in that state. He doesn't have the problem of Nala in the back of the vehicle sensing that Charli is being harmed. He doesn't risk a traffic stop that would bust him. These are positives from SC's POV as to logistics.

2) His alibi: This directs searchers to Keanae, away from Haiku. We know that SC volunteered to go out there and show the family where his truck was supposedly stuck.
Honomanu Bay area is not that far from the "truck site," so it is weird that he would lead them so close to the actual crime spot, dangerous for him, more likely he would be misdirecting them.

3) Crime scene staged? Honomanu Crime scene makes some sense as staged: Clothes were found in a pile, close to the road. "from the ladle" thought they were meant to be found. So many places to put the clothes and evidence if the crime scene is to be hidden. Instead there were her clothes, tape, blanket, jeans, fingernails, jawbone, and not sure what else. That's a lot of evidence. But yet her full remains or any other parts were never found. Everything that was found, was located Friday and Saturday after the murder, in that one spot -- aside from her vehicle and Nala, and the car parts that somehow ended up with "innocent" parties in Haiku. So the crime, if the scenes were not staged, was very sloppy in one way, leaving evidence very easy to find, but OTOH it was utterly efficient in obscuring her final location. That's odd, no? Real sloppiness would tend to get repeated.

4) The phone ping near Honomanu was at almost 11 PM. That's not a reasonable arrival time for an 8:30 departure from Haiku at all. The phone would ping when it first arrived near the tower there. It would be a reasonable time if they met 8:30-9 and he murdered her, and then he drove to Keanae area to stage the crime for his alibi. SC is a milennial and I'm sure he understands phone technology. Why would he allow her phone to ping if he were driving her out there and wanted no one to know ever? If he overpowered her, then would he not turn off her phone? (I'm much older, and I would.) One theory should be that he took the phone out there to ping, deliberately (not my theory, CJ proposes it on the Study page).

CONS/QUESTIONS:
1) Why did he claim to have seen her headlights as far as Twin Falls then, which would mean (for his alibi, once staged crime scene discovered), that she is supposed to have gone BACK east on Hana Highway by herself. Why? Carjacking by mythic Hana Highway serial killer? Maybe.
2) Nala unharmed, not dirty. Supposed to be found or not? If taken out there after the crime, what is the point? Sheer confusion? Pity for Nala?
3) The crime scene had hard evidence of her death. Blood-stained, stabbed clothing, fingernails, teeth, her jawbone, a body part she cannot live without, blood on the ground. A smart killer would never want this to be found. Without proof of death, an arrest is far less likely. But in any case, Haiku or Honumanu, this was a huge error. We know SC is not low intelligence, but is cocky and maybe not a student of crime. He may have ignorantly thought that without the whole body (at least mostly), the jawbone would be a taunt but not enough to convict.

Possible explanation: he hated her family that much that he wanted them to have graphic imagery and be tortured by it.
I could also imagine that he or an accomplice was surprised by a third party at Honomanu, at night, and they dropped the evidence and fled. OTOH, he had three more nights to go out there and retrieve evidence before the day anything was found. That is a lot of time for fixing mistakes and cleaning it up.

4) Charli's family learned from her that SC drove her against her will towards Hana earlier in January, and scared her, refused to turn around though she pleaded. That leads to theory it was like a dry run, or an aborted plan, and he meant to kill her near Keanae, always.
BUT he could have done it knowing she would tell someone, knowing this would point people towards Hana Highway, IF he planned that far ahead.

Another question: why the Facebook "alibi" of random postings (done by his GF or another friend?) to cover the afternoon period after he got off work? We know that nothing happened to Charli during that time period, that she went to a birthday party, and was last seen around 8 PM in Haiku. One possibly WAG from me is he intended to ambush Charli earlier and did not know about the party, perhaps expected her to be home. So created appearance of social media presence as a false track.

Perhaps he originally intended to have an alibi where she drove him to Keanae in the daytime. People certainly questioned the night trek, but a daylight favor would be believable. Say the party protected her and pushed back his plans, and he had to go with the only story he had ready?

Lastly, assuming everything he said in his alibi was to some extent a lie, then it should not be the truth that she stopped by his house on leaving the party. He said she came by and picked him up, so that puts me back to wondering if she went home as she told her sisters she had planned, and he was waiting there for her. Or maybe he did use that $1500 tire loan to hire some muscle, as he is so scrawny and she was not slight.

As I think about it all one more time, it doesn't make sense that he called her to ask for assistance. He couldn't be 100% sure she would not tell a sister she was doing it, which would start them all advising her not to do it. I understand she had a history of keeping contact with him secret, but at this time there was her pregnancy to influence her decisions.
He probably did initiate some phone contact that would show up on records. He had the thought to text her the next morning as if he thought she was alive. I think he expected his phone records would be scrutinized by police.

Taunting: the skull minus mandible painting was posted months after the news came out that a bone was found, with teeth. But prior to the announcement of the jawbone, which came when he was arrested. The painting seems to taunt the family with "I know" -- but enough people probably knew or had an idea about the bone that he could maybe claim he heard, or guessed.

I could see the story that she drove him out to Hana as a final taunt to her family. It says to them, that ultimately he had all the power over her, to get her to go to a lonely dark place where she shouldn't go, at a time that was unwise for her condition. I feel like he was engaged with some power struggle with her family, at least in his own head. I guess that is an argument for him making up this lie that she went with him voluntarily. It really backfired on him, was not a good alibi at all, and he should not have told it. Maybe he told it because he was seen out Hana Highway, but maybe he was compelled irrationally to tell it for other reasons than an alibi. And that was a disaster for him.
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I look forward to hearing what the police did get from phone records, his and hers. That has been a mystery that should be revealed early in the trial, I hope.
 
  • #715
Nicely done Pua.
I believe Charli never left Haiku. I believe he waited for her near her home. I believe he used the garage in the Facebook pic for some things. I believe the evidence was planted or dropped in haste.
I believe the skull painting marks the spot he ultimately discarded her where the red ink blob is.
 
  • #716
Honestly, I would be surprised if it comes up. In any case, he's not going to testify unless his attorney is an idiot. Homicide defendants sit and watch while the prosecution makes a case against them. I am very worried. It's going to be a really tough case. There's no sign that the prosecution has great evidence tying SC to the murder. Even if his DNA is all over her, he already stated he was with her, and they had a relationship. Had they found a murder weapon on him, that would be nice. I do think the jury will be likely to want to convict him, but the evidence has to be sufficient or the judge will be bound to step in. I hope hope hope for the best. Lots of thoughts for the family in this time of great stress and emotional pain.

Man, where do we begin to sort these things out? First and foremost I wish I could go to court alongside the family and give them the "strength in numbers" support they need. My accountant used to say "hope is not a plan" so I am troubled to think the DA doesn't have any solid evidence tying him to her murder. There better be some solid testimony from that pool of witnesses.

I really have nothing to add to the conversation except every, single time I drive down Hana Hwy I rehash SCs alibi and it just doesn't make sense. His alibi is bs. Period.
 
  • #717
New Trial March 14th.

What we know.

2/09

SC got off work early afternoon in Paia.

Charli was last seen 830 PM in Haiku at her sisters.

Her phone pinged in Keanae late

The dog was found the next day(or two?) in Naihiku clean as a whistle.

SC's FB page say's he posted last at 415PM.

So... discount everything else and start there.

Her car was found burnt in Haiku

Her clothes and jawbone were found in Keanae.

His story contradicts itself. Put no value in it. Its a distraction. They never went to Hana. No Broken down truck. There were no "Light tools". There is no anonymous FB poster.

Im so annoyed by so many of these distractions because it seems if you say something enough times it becomes true.
 
  • #718
Hitting on what Pua said about SC taunting the family - I think she's right. I always assumed his accompanying the family to Keanae to search was to protect his crime scene but it was more to keep them dangling.

In SC's "interview" with Malika (sp) he considered being setup or framed by someone and insinuated that the only people that didn't like him was the Scott family. So it's entirely possible his charade was for their benefit.

Why the new court date? Is there a link up yet?
 
  • #719
First I thought he made a grave and shot or OD her and he's a coward and wouldn't want to touch her or have evidence. It's obvious the opposite though due to what we know about holes in skirt and jawbone. Couldn't been more hands on. Rage. Drove against her will once before and turned around. He fantasized about it. Arrogant SOB is proud what he did and wants credit for it more than to get away with it. Burn her 4runner for everyone to find at jaws know he helped her with it in past and precious stereo equipment and his rage thinks she wasn't greatful. So what message is he sending with that location and hate thinking where would he disrespect with final burial place? Have to find her and her baby.
 
  • #720
Where where his phone pings that day? Do prosecutors have those records? Do they show anything relevant?
 
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