GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[puakenikeni]

Maybe he was waiting for her thinking she'd be on her way home and wasted the time on Facebook. If I remember correctly there were deleted text messages between him and Charli.

That's an idea worth checking into. I wonder if the police subpoena'ed Facebook for records of how those posts were made, which servers used. Makawao and Haiku have some separation. At least they could find out if it came from his home IP, his computer or anything from the wireless network. Or was it on a cellular network? Our police in the islands aren't so cyber-tech-oriented as one would hope.

Edit: of course they could subpoena not only Facebook, but his home internet provider, his cell carrier, Skype, Instagram, everything he could have used that day and evening.

I remember something about deleted texts, but how would we know that? Her phone was never found, and the info about his phone has been kept with the police. I seem to remember that text message bodies are not kept by the provider other than record a text was sent or received from a phone number.

A full phone backup of an iPhone will restore texts, so they must be copied there when the phone is saved, like before installing an update.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks HGO very much for the skull discussion location. You saved me a bunch of time.
Here is a direct link that should go to the page where Moxie McTavish made her first post, a real gem. And posted a lightened up capture of the skull.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Scott-27-pregnant-Makawao-9-Feb-2014-2/page43

Shortly after, this post from Kapua (wish he were around), still as relevant today:

You'd think that someone who would put some time and effort into scattering evidence over a wide area could come up with a more convincing explanation of where he was that night. Either that, or be smart enough to keep quiet and deny that he was anywhere near where the evidence was. That's the thing that puzzles me most!

YES. This is what I keep trying to figure out.

1) Nobody surviving Charli (outside of any SC accomplices) had any inkling that SC saw Charli that night. Her family thought it likely that he was involved when she broke her usual pattern. That is not proof. WHY did he say he was with her?

So far I have
a) Taunting and torturing the family was an integral part of his sick game.

b) from the ladle said SC was seen far out Hana Highway the night of the murder, late, in a vehicle not his own. But whether that was the Forerunner was not said. Then he may have told story because he was out there and seen, but still why say Charli drove him there? Especially if she never did, then for sure no one saw them driving together.

c) SC really wanted the searchers to hone in on Keanae (near Honomanu), and saying he knew something was a sure way to lead them wherever he said they went. Con: but the phone ping left as a breadcrumb would probably do that.

2) as Kapua asks, why not more effort put into making his story convincing?
I don't know.
a) he may have thought it didn't matter, that the lack of body was all he needed to be safe.
b) He said to Malika Lincoln of HNN that he knew he was the prime suspect. Did he feel like no matter what he would be the prime suspect, due to fathering the baby? So it didn't matter how good a story he came up with?
What do you all think?

 

[heartgoesout]

sorry it was page 44 where the skull post started.

 

[heartgoesout]

 

[heartgoesout]

The red ink blob would be off of Keanae Road. Looks like there's a baseball field there. Did SC play baseball there as a kid? Appears to be a dirt road that leads off road. That ink big red ink blob has always been interesting to me.

 

[PeterTosh]

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The red ink blob would be off of Keanae Road. Looks like there's a baseball field there. Did SC play baseball there as a kid? Appears to be a dirt road that leads off road. That ink big red ink blob has always been interesting to me.

SC does not strike me as the baseball type. Looking at pictures of his brother Mario Capobianco Ahpuck as a kid it would seem they were more into fighting roosters.

 

[PeterTosh]

YES. This is what I keep trying to figure out.

1) Nobody surviving Charli (outside of any SC accomplices) had any inkling that SC saw Charli that night. Her family thought it likely that he was involved when she broke her usual pattern. That is not proof. WHY did he say he was with her?

Because he doesnt know what she told her family about where she was going.

So far I have
a) Taunting and torturing the family was an integral part of his sick game.

b) from the ladle said SC was seen far out Hana Highway the night of the murder, late, in a vehicle not his own. But whether that was the Forerunner was not said. Then he may have told story because he was out there and seen, but still why say Charli drove him there? Especially if she never did, then for sure no one saw them driving together. He transported NAla out there probably thinking nobody would give up the dog to a "Lost " ad.

c) SC really wanted the searchers to hone in on Keanae (near Honomanu), and saying he knew something was a sure way to lead them wherever he said they went. Con: but the phone ping left as a breadcrumb would probably do that.

2) as Kapua asks, why not more effort put into making his story convincing? Because he is not good at it
I don't know.
a) he may have thought it didn't matter, that the lack of body was all he needed to be safe.
b) He said to Malika Lincoln of HNN that he knew he was the prime suspect. Did he feel like no matter what he would be the prime suspect, due to fathering the baby? So it didn't matter how good a story he came up with?
What do you all think?

He needed to spin it.

 

[puakenikeni]

sorry it was page 44 where the skull post started.

No worries, landing in the vicinity was good enough.

 

[heartgoesout]

Looks like I'm late to it today. Looking at those pics. Is it "normal" behavior on the island to slaughter wild hogs?
Is the brother the artist???????

 

[heartgoesout]

The black and white dog drawing strikes a familiar artistry?

 

[puakenikeni]

He needed to spin it.

Thank you Peter, excellent points.
"He needed to spin it."
Do you mean by that he had to insert himself into the narrative (say he was with her) so that his comments would get into people's heads?

 

[heartgoesout]

wow is all I have right now on the FB Ahpuck.

 

[PeterTosh]

Looks like I'm late to it today. Looking at those pics. Is it "normal" behavior on the island to slaughter wild hogs?
Is the brother the artist???????

http://rustyboar.com/

Its all bout the Jawbone as a trophy

 

[PeterTosh]

Thank you Peter, excellent points.
"He needed to spin it."
Do you mean by that he had to insert himself into the narrative (say he was with her) so that his comments would get into people's heads?

I think he wanted to hide in plain sight. He inserted himself because he thought he could control it. He doesnt know who witnessed what so I felt he needed to be able to squeeze around any possible sightings. So he had to stay close to his tracks.

 

[heartgoesout]

Reminds me of the case here in PA. Stepfather killed his daughter and he had exotic animals that he killed all over his Facebook page with a sick smile. Although I am not a hunter, I respect hunting. What I do not respect nor understand is glorifying a kill in a manner as he did and what I just saw on that FB page. It does however make A LOT of sense. After seeing that...if he had help I now have no doubt who he called.

 

[connect4]

Looking for a shred of truth from SCs statements.
Things he said that place him in Haiku vicinity that Sunday night:
CS met him at his house.
CS drove him from Haiku to Keanae.
CS returned (via her own truck) to the Haiku area somewhere "behind" him.

Things he said that place him in the Keanae area that Sunday night:
His truck was stuck near the bridge in Keanae.
He fixed his stuck truck with light tools (got it running again) and a jump.

Things that place CS in Haiku that Sunday night:
CS was with family that evening. FACT
CS headed home after 8 PM stating she was tired, had work in the AM. FACT
WS poster mentions that CS did not have enough gas to get to Keanae and back, limiting her range to Haiku-Makawao (8-14 miles) without a refuel. FACT
Her Forerunner was found burned in the Haiku area of Jaws. FACT

Things that "place" CS in Keanae that Sunday evening:
SC says she drove him to his stuck truck in Keanae.
SC says CS did not get out of her car to help him (an alibi corroborated with at least two public FB comments/replies with family and strangers as well as the concentration of perforations to CS's skirt on one side of her abdomen). FACT
CS cellphone pings around 11 PM in Keanae area reports CS's family. FACT
CS clothing, personal effects and incomplete remains found in Keanae area albeit several days later but again, it "places" her there on Sunday night. FACT
CS's dog is found clean and unharmed in Nahiku, east of Keanae. FACT

What I can deduce from defendant's statements and timeline *WARNING GRAPHIC*:
CS was ambushed in her car near her home in Makawao. The defendant is fond of guns and rifles, I think CS survived her front seat stabbing and was ultimately killed in the cargo area with a gunshot wound to the head, blowing the jawbone off her face. Early reports of the jawbone described it as "de-fleshing" and since I hardly think there was time or privacy to skin the remains, the shorn jawbone was haphazardly bundled up with her clothing for a trip to Keanae. Clothing can hamper decomposition so the bra/shirt was cut away, the skirt pulled off and bundled with the dog's blanket. Killed in her car means there's now a crimescene, better get rid of it quick. But first clean it up as much as possible and get the valuable car parts off using the light tools from SCs truck. Nala was safely tied up with the other dog. No more the wiser. Off her body goes to the pre-dug grave upcountry, leaving her truck and dogs behind at her house. Who would suspect her truck parked on her street? A quick tip to the local salvage crew, the Forerunner is picked up but didn't get far and was abandoned near a neighborhood gas station. She didn't have much gas, remember? CS's body now underground, SC goes back for Nala, discussing potential names for the unborn with the beloved dog and explaining that "mommy had a mouth on her." Had being the operative word. After the storied trip to Keanae-Nahiku to plant CS's belongings and dog, SC drives home to Skype his girlfriend. The whole idea of having CS's car stolen was to make it look like she was randomly murdered but he didn't know she was out of gas and no thief in their right mind would purchase gas in a stolen vehicle. SC goes to work the next morning, still under the radar but gets word from the salvage crew that the Forerunner was pau and needed gas. SC spots the truck, gets gas from Hanzawa's and drives (with his key) to Jaws, setting it ablaze and burning his hands in the process. He then makes the long trek home, devising his alibi, Facebooking the whole time.

Things that seem off to me:
SC dna not found on CS personal effects.
No additional remains found/sited as of yet in the Keanae area despite ongoing thorough searches and a popular site for the avid hiker.
SC appears smug and confident throughout pre-trial motions and nonsense.
SC tried to get the statement regarding his knowledge of the dog's whereabouts thrown out.
Was the Forerunner spotted in Jaws Sunday or Monday by anyone?
Steven spun the Haiku-Keanae tale to deflect because CS is buried somewhere upcountry.
Her murder was linked to SC by her jawbone. How? Ballistics?
Why did SC get involved in the first place? Did a sonogram emailed to him set him off? Was the window of opportunity ideal because he had to work at 5 AM on Monday morning?

As far as the brother, I thought of him too just based on his hobbies alone but murder is a highly sensitive subject. I'm not too sure it would be worth the risk of clueing someone in on the secret. Better to just do it alone and deny involvement Besides the brother is a working man with a respectable job. Give the guy some credit for rising above the fray.

 

[connect4]

I forgot to mention I listened to that song Fonz Pond by ICP and I think that song is full of clues. SC started playing games with the public after the phone interview. That song references streams, rivers and women and children's bodies underwater. That's too obvious. There's a single lyric about being "buried in the bush, keep it hush." Couple that with many of SC's intagram photos upcountry, I think he put her where no one would look. He sent everyone looking along the Hana highway. Anybody that knows Maui island well should start examing his favorite haunts in the opposite direction of his lies.

Late in the 4th quarter but anyone know if cadaver dogs were used at CS's home? I think a poster above said one of the witnesses withdrew his testimony because of his treatment by police right? Was it the owner of the property the Finau guy? Because certainly he would be butthurt by the charges he's facing and refuse to help the case. He may have heard something that Sunday night that he felt justified him in entering her unit and stealing her stuff. Or what about the people renting tent space on that property? What did they hear? Are they former tweakers too afraid to speak up?

 

[puakenikeni]

Lots to think on in your posts, connect. Just to reply to your question about witnesses:
I have no idea which witnesses (plural) backed out of testifying, but it was individuals who disappointed the family by so doing. I am fairly sure that Charli's landlord could not disappoint them because they have zero expectations of him to do any right thing.

btw, the Hawai'i Judiciary site lists seven witnesses who were subpoena'ed for the start of the trial before it was continued. Just the beginning I am sure. They all appear to be friends of the Scott family or types that would be, except one I don't know the name. One is the young woman who pressed charges against SC for burglary (fyi his burglary and weapons charges trials are also continued).

I imagine that all the searchers who were in the party that found evidence (that was moved before police arrived) will need to testify to authenticate the clothing and other evidence, where it was found, when, in what condition.

Now back to the main conversation. Where was the song you mention posted?

 

[puakenikeni]

Note: I remember posts here saying that Charli's parts Forerunner was stolen from Hanzawa's, not her Forerunner she was driving. I noticed in an article from 2014 about the family going to her rental after the landlord pillaged it, that the parts car was there at the time and the family had it removed, I think towed (somewhere not mentioned).
So that whole incident happened well after Charli's Forerunner was found at Peahi torched. Her main Forerunner that she was driving when last seen alive was not spotted by anyone (that came to light) until it was found stripped, burned, on its side on (I am fairly sure) Wednesday afternoon late. I remember it was near the end of daylight. I think it was friends and her stepfather Johnny who found it.

I'm not trying to pick at the core of your excellent ideas. Just stripping away a couple parts where the facts were different so I can think hard about the rest.

 

[connect4]

Thanks puakeni. I didn't know about the extra car. I just read through the 4 threads on CS and got carried away. So throw the stolen Forerunner out. Is the rest feasible? Where do you get the links to find court stuff?