GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[puakenikeni]

The rest is very interesting and seems feasible (mostly), first read late last night when I was tired, so that is why I waited to comment.

Court cases (non-traffic) are on Ho'ohiki (state judiciary website). Type in that word and you'll get the page where you consent to use. Unfortunately, no cases can be directly linked here because it will redirect back to the portal page. Clunky website and has a learning curve.

Type in CAPOBIANCO in Party name box of a search and you find about 18 cases and counting that are presumably all his family (one is an old divorce, so doesn't count as a crime). Going back to welfare fraud in 1993. What is his mother's first name? She is deceased, so it will not hurt her feelings to be mentioned. Most of the cases have female Capobiancos as defendant, one being a drug-selling charge. No violent crimes until Steven's rampage.

The first two Steven cases are the Burglary/Theft, then the weapons charge.
Third case is Murder 2 and Arson 3. Pick a count, click it, click documents, and it will list all the paper filings including the subpoenas.

Traffic crimes including DUI and license suspension are under e Kokua, also accessed from the judiciary website, same software. Did you catch that SC's license was still suspended as of 2/9/14? This would surely make him nervous about a traffic stop, because once he was stopped driving, he would be arrested on the spot. So really high risk for him to transport evidence -- but how was he getting to work? I guess he wasn't as worried as I would have been driving on suspended.

Thanks so much for joining in, connect. Welcome!

 

[puakenikeni]

I think the mother's name was Susan.
Thanks for the Ho'ohiki info.

Thank you Mamamerced.

Here is the Hoohiki portal link:
http://hoohiki1.courts.state.hi.us/jud/Hoohiki/main.htm

Susan B Capobianco had assault, harassment, disorderly conduct case in 2003.
She pled no contest in 2009 to promoting dangerous drugs and possession of drug paraphernalia, 5 years probation, convicted in 2010.
Judge on the 2003 case was Cardoza, same as SC's judge. Long time ago of course.

 

[puakenikeni]

How is the wild boar killing bro related? Same mother or same father? I am confused how he has the Capobianco in his name and another surname. Was Capobianco Steven's mother's maiden name?

 

[heartgoesout]

How can you back out as a witness? Wouldn't they just get subpoenaed?

 

[heartgoesout]

Welcome connect4. Thrilled to have you onboard and impressed you read up through 3 threads!

 

[puakenikeni]

How can you back out as a witness? Wouldn't they just get subpoenaed?

IIRC, she said they had said they were not able to (truthfully) testify to what they had originally said. As you say, you can't refuse to come to court if subpoena'ed, but you can always change your testimony, so it would not help the case.

 

[puakenikeni]

Welcome connect4. Thrilled to have you onboard and impressed you read up through 3 threads!

Yes, when I read your first posts, I had no idea you were new to the discussion. You sounded all up on it, and I thought maybe you were a prior poster who had changed your username. Or I would have said welcome before I mentioned the Forerunner. My bad.

 

[connect4]

I forgot to cite my source. I paid Spokeo 1.95 to show me the Young Capobianco connection. It's a shame all your personal business is for sell. I didn't introduce myself because no one wlse seemed to be doing it. Bing directed me here when I was looking for info on Pauwela lighthouse murders. I came in here to check and see if CS's body had been found.

 

[puakenikeni]

So did I at first sight of the Instagram account.

I am not sure how many of you live around pig hunters. Some yes and some no I think. Anyhow, I want to mention for those who aren't in or of the islands that traditional Hawaiian style pighunting is done with dogs and a hunting knife. If the dogs are holding the pig, a gunshot could hurt the dogs. Guns are held in reserve in case the pig gets loose and flee.

So the pig hunter is accustomed to stabbing an animal similar in size to a human and much more dangerous, at close range and with some accuracy. (That doesn't make them murderers.) As with deer, it's important to remove organs immediately to avoid spoiling the meat, so hunters need to be able to butcher too.

Article that goes into detail:
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2003/05/04/news/story2.html

 

[heartgoesout]

I need to ponder this and revisit the evidence found with the jawbone. Perhaps the jawbone was truly dropped and was meant to be kept?
I am not a hunter. I do respect hunting but I think anyone that can hunt and slaughter a live animal surely has been desensitzed to blood and guts. Of course that does not make one a murderer!! But in my opinion would be a good skill to have in a dire situation. :waitasec: I would be gagging and probably pass out! lol lol

 

[puakenikeni]

I need to ponder this and revisit the evidence found with the jawbone. Perhaps the jawbone was truly dropped and was meant to be kept?
I am not a hunter. I do respect hunting but I think anyone that can hunt and slaughter a live animal surely has been desensitzed to blood and guts. Of course that does not make one a murderer!! But in my opinion would be a good skill to have in a dire situation. :waitasec: I would be gagging and probably pass out! lol lol

Me too.
One thing I remember is the jawbone was not found right with the clothes and blanket, which were found by young sister and search party. There is a photo somewhere here I posted of the clothes as they were found, and they were not far off the road and not in disarray.

The police found the jawbone and tooth/teeth and fingernails, and blood. They also took KS and others of family to that spot in late 2014, which the police said was the actual crime scene according to KS's poem she published on FB in December. In the media articles it says which spot had the duct tape and men's jeans. I think that Charli's shoes were found by the police, is in the articles.

We don't know how far apart the bones and the clothes were (but the family does), but it may help to think of two spots, one more neat and easy to find, one messier and part of an extensive police search. I don't think the jawbone was placed obviously, but the testimony will tell us when it finally happens. The only hints we have of what they found the second and follow up searches were brief mentions in the news and cryptic allusions in that motion hearing about Grand Jury testimony.

 

[puakenikeni]

connect, just a note about your list (loved the list):
I have never seen it published that MPD were able to link the jawbone to Steven. I think that's an assumption the media ran with. What they originally said is the discovery of her jawbone proved poor Charli was deceased, and allowed the case to be reclassified.

Per the latest Maui News articles, the one on the continuance request, prosecution states they actually have no DNA tying SC to the crime scene, so they can't have any tie to the jawbone because it was found at the crime scene. But they may yet get the DNA match from the expensive tests they are sending out to Virginia.

 

[heartgoesout]

I know it's not meant this way, I really do, and I really mean no disrespect what so ever, but it's a pet peeve of mine to say "poor" Charli. I think she was rich with loving family, friends, and now caring strangers. It was only her last minutes that were awful, indeed, but I would not describe her as poor Charli, I describe her as lucky Charli, as for all but that day she indeed had a blessed life. : )
Maybe it helps me with the tragedy of it all.

 

[Kapua]

I need to ponder this and revisit the evidence found with the jawbone. Perhaps the jawbone was truly dropped and was meant to be kept?
I am not a hunter. I do respect hunting but I think anyone that can hunt and slaughter a live animal surely has been desensitzed to blood and guts. Of course that does not make one a murderer!! But in my opinion would be a good skill to have in a dire situation. :waitasec: I would be gagging and probably pass out! lol lol

Regarding the jawbone: This is exactly what I have been thinking all along - it was likely super dark and I think he dropped it unintentionally.

Regarding pig hunting in Hawaii - there are many feral pigs and it's necessary to hunt them to keep the pig population down. Country people are definitely less squeamish about hunting than city folk like you and I.

Someone please refresh my memory about when the trial starts/started. I had mid to late January in my head.

 

[RunDaSurf]

He left a lot of evidence and he brought everyone to Keanae. Possible he was calling her a pig and wanted every one to know what he did but to get away with it legally like it could been any hunter. Or he was framing a hunter. If the State of Hawaii thinks he should ever be out of prison is insane.

 

[Mamamerced]

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Regarding the jawbone: This is exactly what I have been thinking all along - it was likely super dark and I think he dropped it unintentionally.

Regarding pig hunting in Hawaii - there are many feral pigs and it's necessary to hunt them to keep the pig population down. Country people are definitely less squeamish about hunting than city folk like you and I.

Someone please refresh my memory about when the trial starts/started. I had mid to late January in my head?

March 14. http://mauinow.com/2016/01/15/state-v-capobianco-trial-set-to-start-on-march-14/?t=1452903056

 

[heartgoesout]

So they do not have HIS DNA tied to that crime scene. Wonder if they have HER DNA tied to him?? There's a difference right?
Maybe that knife belt buckle has some DNA on it?

 

[puakenikeni]

Much as we might wish for what you suggest, the conclusion I draw from the judge's decision to reschedule a trial that had already cost the court a lot of effort and expense, is that there is no useful DNA evidence at this time. The prosecution expected there would be, but from the court docs online, it appears the samples weren't sent out for testing until after the defendant's motion was denied in October.

At first that puzzled me, but seeing the online request, I realized that these expenses need to be approved, and it looks like they don't spend money on tests when there is a pre-trial motion that could greatly impact the case's viability. And they don't spend money on the most advanced tests unless the first line of tests fail, which these did.

It's pretty obvious from the Maui News article that the case is circumstantial and they don't have useful DNA evidence linking Steven. The judge was thinking in terms of an appeal of an "innocent" verdict if they didn't wait for the new tests.
They do have DNA proving that the remains were of Charli, which allows them to try him for a definite murder and not a murder of a possibly missing person, so that helped them get to an arrest for Murder 2.

 

[puakenikeni]

Regarding the jawbone: This is exactly what I have been thinking all along - it was likely super dark and I think he dropped it unintentionally.

Regarding pig hunting in Hawaii - there are many feral pigs and it's necessary to hunt them to keep the pig population down. Country people are definitely less squeamish about hunting than city folk like you and I.

Kapua, great to see you posting again. So true that pig-hunting is considered necessary. The article I linked above has a good discussion of that for mainland folks who are interested. It's also a traditional and cultural practice.

I have dealt with hunters because my own property was being ravaged by pigs, so I can say that there are local hunters who use snares, bow and arrow, and guns. There are many local hunters with packs of pig dogs too, just saying there are other ways to do it besides a contact blood sport, and the necessity for keeping population down does not necessitate a physical assault on the pig or the game of watching the dogs torment it. There is a higher adrenaline component to the knife and dog hunting, and less compassion (or none) by far.

 

[puakenikeni]

So as far as dropping the jawbone unintentionally in the dark, that would have to be a strong possibility of what happened. Then what does that mean for the theories, if the jawbone was NOT mean to be found, and was not planted as evidence?

It means that Charli was either murdered or dismembered in that area, which will almost certainly be the case put on at trial from what we know (which is partial).

Conclusion: then she was not likely to be murdered in Haiku or Makawao, because transporting a whole or in parts body that far is a huge risk if you are stopped. Whereas clothes and stuff wrapped in a blanket are not so much. We then are back to the why of the ridiculous alibi and why lead the searchers so close to the crime scene, and why allow her phone to ping at almost 11 PM near Honomanu? Because if you kidnap someone, you check them for phone, and you turn it off, pretty basic stuff, and he would well know she had a smart phone.

It seems that every theory has elements that don't make sense.

Here is the huge problem I have with that jawbone getting where it was on that Sunday night. It was found on Friday, and it was already defleshed. And they have had a forensic entomologist testify, and use that word, who said it was not like anything he had seen before. The jungle is a strong force for decomposition, but it doesn't work that fast, and the experts appear to be puzzled over this element, per the hearing on the first motion from a year ago.

And as for pigs, if we are wondering, that is not what they do, to clean off a bone. They crack the bones, and generally they don't leave bones behind. Plus the hearing info lacked any references to animal damage, but did mention insects.

When the trial finally starts, a lot more will become clear, like where the bone was found and in what condition, what evidence there is of any gun usage.