GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #5

[heartgoesout]

We don't know if he planned to burn the truck. Actually it doesn't seem like he really planned anything.

 

[puakenikeni]

We don't know if he planned to burn the truck. Actually it doesn't seem like he really planned anything.

That is a good challenge. If he did plan, he didn't plan very well. So what is there to say he planned at all?

1) He lied to Cass in advance (on Saturday) to explain that he would be unable to Skype on Sunday evening.
Rebuttal: Maybe his plan was to only to talk to Charli. Then things spun out of control.

A: We know he didn't want the child. He is angry she didn't get an abortion. He is not "coming around" to the idea. He "hates" kids and especially babies. He has Cass coming back in a week. Cass had once said she did not want to be a stepmom. What does talking to Charli stand to change? The cold hard fact for him is -- she's too far along to terminate the pregnancy. There is nothing to be accomplished by talking to her on this particular Sunday.

2) We know he had only recently discovered this road to Paraquat's, and he felt it was remote. We know he had been down there with his cousin recently. So he had a location scoped out.

3) We hear from Brooke that he terrified Charli by driving her out towards Hana in January. That sounds like a dry run.

To me this sounds like he had decided on a time and a place and had a dress rehearsal.
What seems very unplanned is the story about getting her to go out and help him with his truck. He didn't hide his truck on Sunday, or pre-decide on a story on how he got back Sat., who gave him a ride, what make and color of vehicle picked him up, when he last saw her following him. All of that seems to have gotten made up on spur of the moment when people began questioning him.

But that does not mean he didn't plan to commit murder. As discussed, it could mean something unforeseen occurred that forced him to admit he was with her that night, and in that area.
a) maybe he thought he had a witness to his being out Hana Highway in her car, the skull ornament giveaway.
b) possible that he worried Charli had told someone in her family that they were meeting.
c) he realized that he had forgotten about the phone tracking and records until it was too late.
d) surprise of having police at his door worried him that they knew something about his whereabouts, as Kapua theorized, even though they didn't say so.

Otherwise the clear best course would be to say what he told the Kaisers, that he had not seen Charli. Maybe that was his plan, but then he got rattled, paranoid, made up alternate story on the fly.

 

[heartgoesout]

I said we don't know if he planned to burn the truck. (in response to post 499 #3)

 

[heartgoesout]

I agree on your speculation he wouldn't want to ruin his beloved truck and that's an excellent point on why he would could have used her truck instead.

 

[puakenikeni]

I said we don't know if he planned to burn the truck. (in response to post 499 #3)

Sorry, I couldn't tell what post you were replying to. I just felt that your questioning his planning is very legit, for any and all aspects, and I guess it made me want to separate out what seems planned from what does not.

 

[heartgoesout]

It was a good read. Thank you.
There's so much to follow and when it's not noted that it is speculation or opinion or a theory it is easy to get confused. I'm guilty of that too.

 

[RunDaSurf]

http://mauinow.com/2016/08/11/kaiser-brothers-testify-in-capobianco-murder-trial/

"Behavior Consistent with Random Drives to East MauiDrew Kaiser also acknowledged that he had been out to Honomanū with Capobianco on prior occasions, both during the day and in the middle of the night. Honomanū is the bay on the West side of Nuaʻailua (where clothing believed to be Scott’s was found during a search for the missing woman).
When asked if he had gone around “randomly” in the Hāna area while in Capobianco’s company, Drew Kaiser said, “Yes.” In response to a juror question about if he ever went to the Hāna area to “just listen to Capobianco’s truck stereo,” Kaiser responded saying, “Yes.”
In a prior police interview, Capobianco said his truck stalled along the Hāna Highway on Feb. 8, 2014 while he was out late that night driving around and listening to his music.
Drew Kaiser also acknowledged that Capobianco’s mother had lived in the Keʻanae area, but has since passed away."


"We" dont't "know" anything if it came from Capobianco's mouth

 

[RunDaSurf]

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/612727/Witness-offers-contradictory-testimony-about-truck-s-location.html?nav=10

"He also recalled running into Capobianco and his cousin at Costco after Presidents Day in February 2014, as searchers were continuing to look for Scott. Capobianco seemed to be trying to get information on where people had searched, Kaiser said."He was asking questions on what's going on with the search, what we found, have we heard anything," Kaiser said. "He said it was hard to follow because people aren't talking to him."
Kaiser said he told Capobianco they were searching "everywhere, in gulches and through the brush, searching anywhere we can."
"I said there's some places it's hard to get to," Kaiser said. "He said, 'What do you mean?' That's the part I really remember. It just seemed like a weird question to me.""


President's Day in 2014 was Monday, Feb 17. So a week later.

Maybe a clue the remains are in a place hard to get to.

 

[puakenikeni]

It was a good read. Thank you.
There's so much to follow and when it's not noted that it is speculation or opinion or a theory it is easy to get confused. I'm guilty of that too.

True there sure is a ton to follow. As far as my posts go, if I have a source making it fact I allude to it, but I might not name it again if the testimony has been recent or we have all talked about it many times such that I think we all know it is sourced. Like his feelings about children and having the baby that are recent testimony.

What is not sourced is by default a theory/spec/opinion. Opinion if felt strongly I will say I feel or I believe or I think or seems to me.
If I say it is possible or a maybe, that is spec/theory. I had a maybe next to every line in that post above, but I thought it was too repetitive and took a couple out, thinking it was obviously a list of possible things that happened. I will try to do better labelling if this is not enough though. I truly don't want to be confusing.

 

[puakenikeni]

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/612727/Witness-offers-contradictory-testimony-about-truck-s-location.html?nav=10

"He also recalled running into Capobianco and his cousin at Costco after Presidents Day in February 2014, as searchers were continuing to look for Scott. Capobianco seemed to be trying to get information on where people had searched, Kaiser said."He was asking questions on what's going on with the search, what we found, have we heard anything," Kaiser said. "He said it was hard to follow because people aren't talking to him."
Kaiser said he told Capobianco they were searching "everywhere, in gulches and through the brush, searching anywhere we can."
"I said there's some places it's hard to get to," Kaiser said. "He said, 'What do you mean?' That's the part I really remember. It just seemed like a weird question to me.""


President's Day in 2014 was Monday, Feb 17. So a week later.

Maybe a clue the remains are in a place hard to get to.

Thanks for looking up the date.
Glad you brought this up. Important piece of testimony, I think. Your interpretation is same as mine. I thought he might have been fishing to see if they had gotten close, or if "the spot" was still safely out of their search web.
I wonder also if this means her other remains were NOT in the ocean. I mean, if he is looking for info on gulches and so forth ... if she went into the ocean, he would not need to question about the land places. Maybe that is too much of a conclusion to draw though.

At this point he would know that the clothes had been found, but he would not know what the police had found, because that was not released to the public at all until they reclassified the case two weeks later. But pretty sure he would know that MPD had done a focused search of Nua'ailua. It was in the paper and online over that weekend, IIRC.

 

[Mamamerced]

True. As far as my posts go, if I have a source making it fact I allude to it, but I might not name it again if the testimony has been recent or we have all talked about it many times such that I think we all know it is sourced. Like his feelings about children and having the baby that are recent testimony.

What is not sourced is by default a theory/spec/opinion. Opinion if felt strongly I will say I feel or I believe or I think or seems to me.
If I say it is possible or a maybe, that is spec/theory. I had a maybe next to every line in that post above, but I thought it was too repetitive and took a couple out, thinking it was obviously a list of possible things that happened. I will try to do better labelling if this is not enough though. I truly don't want to be confusing.

I find your posts to be very clear, Pua. You research and present facts and theories in a very organized manner. JMO.

 

[heartgoesout]

I look at it like this, were on top of linking sources and I think we read everything we can, so if it's been testified to it can be assumed and written as fact without linking over and over. When I read your #3 I was like wait a second what did I miss? We know he planned it?? Then I starting looking for a new !wow! source. To credit you, you're on top of this so I really thought I missed something. All good.

 

[PeterTosh]

We don't know if he planned to burn the truck. Actually it doesn't seem like he really planned anything.

Perhaps it was his moment to deliver the ultimatum. You either get rid of the kid or I do it for you. Charli probably explained that it was too late because she was to far along anyways and he didn't buy it. Him being to stupid to realize this so he started to slash at her out of rage and went to far. Maybe at some point during the murder he realized there was no turning back and had to finish what he started.


I dont know. Im buying his horror in the court room. I dont think he is a Bundy type and I dont think he enjoyed this. I believe he would take it all back if he could (Paticiularily because he got caught.)

 

[Mamamerced]

Perhaps it was his moment to deliver the ultimatum. You either get rid of the kid or I do it for you. Charli probably explained that it was too late because she was to far along anyways and he didn't buy it. Him being to stupid to realize this so he started to slash at her out of rage and went to far. Maybe at some point during the murder he realized there was no turning back and had to finish what he started.




I dont know. Im buying his horror in the court room. I dont think he is a Bundy type and I dont think he enjoyed this. I believe he would take it all back if he could (Paticiularily because he got caught.)

Sure, and because nobody on his island likes him anymore.
I don't believe all murderers are sick but human butchers and mutilators are twisted sick. Are you forgetting her jawbone was defleshed? What's that all about? To me it sounds like an element of enjoyment.
"She had a mouth on her."

 

[heartgoesout]

If I was thinking about and planning a crime I sure would have had a better plan. The sloppiness makes me think he started and someone else finished or he thought about in a fantasy type way, didn't plan anything and fantasy became reality and then sloppy scrambling.

I want to know what parts of the lie detector test he failed.

 

[heartgoesout]

Or I was high as a kite and don't really remember what I did. Hence the hands over his mouth...as if he's thinking, that's what I did? My God, that's what I did??

 

[puakenikeni]

I look at it like this, were on top of linking sources and I think we read everything we can, so if it's been testified to it can be assumed and written as fact without linking over and over. When I read your #3 I was like wait a second what did I miss? We know he planned it?? Then I starting looking for a new !wow! source. To credit you, you're on top of this so I really thought I missed something. All good.

I went back to #3 reasoning on taking her truck, and you're totally right, I stuck that in as if it were known for sure that he planned to burn her truck, but I meant it as a possible motivation to take her truck IF burning it was part of his plan. Mea culpa for sure. Appreciate the feedback. I've been writing most posts on IOS devices instead of desktop, and I tend to lose the big picture more on the small screen, need to watch that.

 

[puakenikeni]

If I was thinking about and planning a crime I sure would have had a better plan. The sloppiness makes me think he started and someone else finished or he thought about in a fantasy type way, didn't plan anything and fantasy became reality and then sloppy scrambling.

I want to know what parts of the lie detector test he failed.

Yeah, I think anyone here would have had made a better plan if we were murdererous types. I initially thought he might be innocent because a guilty person would have his act together and a more solid story.

Re PT's comment about ultimatum time:
You don't think that time was earlier? Hard for me to buy that he thought she would willingly have an abortion at that point. Legally she was probably just shy of the limit in Hawai'i (24-26 weeks looks like), but mentally and emotionally she was far past that consideration, and so were her family and friends. Baby toys bought, maternity clothes wearing, baby shower planned, plans to live with Adam and Lydia ...

Plus he would be hated by many for pressuring her into it, would he not? (Yes, not hated nearly as much as for what he did, but he hoped to get away with that.)

 

[heartgoesout]

Just me thinking out loud...Let's say he asked Charli to meet with him so he could give her the money he owed her. Let's say he then planned a robbery to get that money back. Enter accomplice here. He did ask for money for tires that we've read he never got. He gives her that money, but plans on getting it right back. Now this I can see being totally planned out. He could have told her the money is down Hana or so and so has it down Hana. A good amount of money that she probably needed could be motivation for traveling with him. He's also had some robbery issues. I haven't gotten any farther but this could make sense. Robbery doesn't go quite as planned and she fights back or Nala gets in the way. hmmm

 

[Kapua]

With regard to planning, we have this testimony from Taylor Farner:

Farner testified that she had tried to make contact with Capobianco on Sunday, Feb. 9, 2014, but said the defendant was not able to make contact immediately. “He just said he had something to take care of,” said Farner.

http://mauinow.com/2016/08/03/ex-girlfriend-capobianco-hated-kids/

In addition, Taylor's testimony revealed that:
- SC hated kids.
- SC told Taylor that he wanted to be sure that if she got pregnant that it would end in an abortion.
- SC's white truck actually did get stuck on Hana Hwy. in Oct. of 2013.
- SC and Taylor slept in the truck that night because he was afraid the truck would get stolen if it were left on the side of the road.
- Taylor texted/called SC 90 times the night of Feb. 9. to get Ecstasy. He finally met her at Hanzawa's between 12:00 AM and 2:00 AM.
- When she met him at Hanzawa's early 2/10, SC acted "stern, irritated, pissed-off" and kept his hands down by his thighs.
- A week or so later when she was riding with him and his cousin, and she asked him if he was the prime suspect, he said it was between him and the landlord, but the landlord didn't know she was missing, so just him. Taylor said that he seemed almost proud and showed no concern.

I learned more from Taylor's testimony than from Cassie's.