GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[PeterTosh]

Are you guys talking about Lone Keawe? I don't think you could be an ecstasy dealer on Maui and not know about that spot. I was taken to a party there a while back and there were a lot of young people on drugs. But that is a gorgeous spot late at night to watch the stars, as long as you don't have a meeting with any centipedes.

The rocky beach area before Nu'u Landing. I dont know what you kids call it.

 

[PeterTosh]

Yeah, it's just not done by any company here. When the station closes, the computer is shut down. When the computer is down, the card swipe will no longer function. There are numerous reasons not to allow unsupervised gas purchased, not the least of which are theft (employee and stranger) and danger of spillage/fire/explosion.

Incorrect. There are many unsupervised stations that allow purchases after hours. I mainly get my gas at HFN in Kahului and it is NEVER supervised. It's 100% self serve. Pumps have emergency shut offs that a human is capable of using. You cant pump it unless you squeeze the handle or jam something in the lever. The mechanism is in the handle. It wont release any fuel unless it is squeezed with the fuel port open. (It cracks me up when I see a guy trying to lift the hose to get any fuel that might be in it. He is just getting dirty) Regardless of your many reasons they are not always manned. They are automated. An attendant cant get to a situation any quicker than the common sense of the person pumping. How many times has an attendant shut off your pump because you were talking on your cell phone? It is a Federal Offense. I bet never. Attendants are fairly useless these days.

Now enough of this bickering! I am right and we shall move on!

 

[PeterTosh]

It doesn't matter anyway, because SC was capable of having the necessary gas in one or more gas canisters. This was premeditated.

We are being misguided by Brooke Scott. I understand she is being completely honest when she said Charli told her she was out of gas...but...it is 100% hearsay. She might have had a full tank for all anybody knows. Maybe she was embarrassed because she knew she was going to Kalipo and didnt want anybody to know so she assured them she was going home by saying she was out of gas. Pure conjecture on my part but maybe something we do need to focus less on.

 

[Kapua]

We are being misguided by Brooke Scott. I understand she is being completely honest when she said Charli told her she was out of gas...but...it is 100% hearsay. She might have had a full tank for all anybody knows. Maybe she was embarrassed because she knew she was going to Kalipo and didnt want anybody to know so she assured them she was going home by saying she was out of gas. Pure conjecture on my part but maybe something we do need to focus less on.

It could have been her excuse to duck out early. "Gotta get up early, so I can get gas before I go to work."

The timeline is tight. If she had already filled her tank, we don't have to pad it with time to add gas to Charli's 4Runner.

 

[Kapua]

Leave Haiku 8:25
Arrive Nua’ailua 9:05
Dirty work
Leave Nua’ailua 9:20
Arrive Hana 10:00
In range of west cell tower 11:20
Arrive Haiku (house) 11:50
Pick up gas cans and bicycle
Leave Haiku 12:05
Arrive Jaws 12:20
Scopes out burn spot, pours gasoline, burns SUV
Leaves Jaws 12:30
Rides bicycle home
Arrives Haiku (house) 1:00 AM 9/10


* Assumes that Charli's phone was in her pocket and the battery died following its last ping.

 

[heartgoesout]

Correct me if I'm wrong. The 2/9 11:20 pm text that a cell tower picked up does not mean he was at his house.
The cell tower that picked this particular text up is the same cell tower sector his phone typically picks up, which is consistent with his residence and the sector most often used. However it does not place him at his home it only places him in that cell towers sector, so he could for arguments sake be at let's say Jaws or on his way there.

Also, Charli's last phone activity was 8:28pm on 2/9 as an incoming text.
The last ping at 10:56pm was simply the last time the phone connected with a cell tower. That doesn't mean she was there or Steven was there at that particular time at the Nuaailua coordinates that Phaedra saw, just that the phone was there.

 

[puakenikeni]

It could have been her excuse to duck out early. "Gotta get up early, so I can get gas before I go to work."

The timeline is tight. If she had already filled her tank, we don't have to pad it with time to add gas to Charli's 4Runner.

it takes under 5 minutes to put gas in a tank from a fuel container. We just did it recently. It's no more time than waiting out a traffic signal for someone who has done it before. I really feel like all this focus on the gas is a waste of mental energy. People who live in rural areas have gas containers. (Siphoning gas OTOH is time consuming and messy.)

 

[Kapua]

Correct me if I'm wrong. The 2/9 11:20 pm text that a cell tower picked up does not mean he was at his house.
The cell tower that picked this particular text up is the same cell tower sector his phone typically picks up, which is consistent with his residence and the sector most often used. However it does not place him at his home it only places him in that cell towers sector, so he could for arguments sake be at let's say Jaws or on his way there.

Also, Charli's last phone activity was 8:28pm on 2/9 as an incoming text.
The last ping at 10:56pm was simply the last time the phone connected with a cell tower. That doesn't mean she was there or Steven was there at that particular time at the Nuaailua coordinates that Phaedra saw, just that the phone was there.

You are correct about the first part.

The second part is incorrect. The ping at 10:56 has nothing to do with cell towers. It is a ping from an app (Life 360) that uses satellite technology, like GPS. The satellite is unimpeded by mountains, buildings, etc.

 

[heartgoesout]

ok, yes that makes sense about the app and the 10:56pm ping. However, that just means her phone was there. It does not mean he was there at that time nor she was there at that time. Just the phone was there.

Sounds like while he was there Monday he repeatedly called the phone to locate it.

 

[Kapua]

ok, yes that makes sense about the app and the 10:56pm ping. However, that just means her phone was there. It does not mean he was there at that time nor she was there at that time. Just the phone was there.

Sounds like while he was there Monday he repeatedly called the phone to locate it.

Right, and IMHO, the only way we can develop a timeline that aligns with the evidence is to make the assumption that Charli's phone was in Nua'ailua long after SC had murdered her and left. I'm thinking she either dropped it, or the black skirt had pockets, her phone was in a skirt pocket, the phone battery died at 10:56 (I keep messing up this time, LOL) and SC did not dispose of Charli and Joshua until Monday after work.

IIRC, it was Tuesday that he repeatedly called her phone, but I will have to check the testimony again. And remember that there was a muddy green cell phone case in SC's 4Runner.

 

[EstrellaEspectral]

Right, and IMHO, the only way we can develop a timeline that aligns with the evidence is to make the assumption that Charli's phone was in Nua'ailua long after SC had murdered her and left. I'm thinking she either dropped it, or the black skirt had pockets, her phone was in a skirt pocket, the phone battery died at 10:56 (I keep messing up this time, LOL) and SC did not dispose of Charli and Joshua until Monday after work.

IIRC, it was Tuesday that he repeatedly called her phone, but I will have to check the testimony again. And remember that there was a muddy green cell phone case in SC's 4Runner.

I've read about the green cell phone case, but haven't seen anything connecting it to Charli. Has anyone confirmed it belonged to her?

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Kapua, beautiful work on that schedule of events. Sound great to me.

The reasons for him going around the back side of the island could have been simply that he'd just killed someone and wanted to zone out and drive without having to be super-vigilant about the treacherous Hana Hwy, where you constantly have to slow down, speed up, and take the curves. I love to take drives, it's a huge stress reliever, and judging by mentions I've seen about Steven going on drives, he might also like to decompress by driving & turning the music up. He might've just known it would be a more easy, relaxing drive than going on the Hana Hwy. I would do it for that reason even if it took longer.

Regarding cell phone tower reception, here's a map supposedly showing the cell towers in Hawaii. The blue dots are AT&T which seems to be what is under review (the large blue dot marking "Haiku" is not a tower). I put an arrow near the one that could be turned East to give reception to E. Maui(?) and an arrow near one that could be servicing all of upcountry Haleakala, thus indicating he was back in his "home area" when he entered within its range. If this tower that I've arrowed (or another one of them) provided reception to the whole upcountry & Haiku area, then it might be as simple as him being in the region of, say, Ulupalakua when he connected with that tower on his drive home - nowhere near his actual home but just within the signal zone of his "home tower." I've just used this map as a possibility so we can visualize the reception issue, it's not meant to be precise at all.
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[Kapua]

I've read about the green cell phone case, but haven't seen anything connecting it to Charli. Has anyone confirmed it belonged to her?

No. But IIRC, one of her family members said that Charli's cell phone case was green with pink polka dots. I don't have time to scroll back and find that post. Anyone?

 

[heartgoesout]

10:56pm was the time Phaedra just happened to opened up the app on her cell phone and saw Charli's phone location was at Nuaailua.
That phone could have been there for an hour or just 1 minute. SC could have been long gone or just getting there, The phone doesn't indicate either of their location, just the phone itself location.

 

[Kapua]

Kapua, beautiful work on that schedule of events. Sound great to me.

The reasons for him going around the back side of the island could have been simply that he'd just killed someone and wanted to zone out and drive without having to be super-vigilant about the treacherous Hana Hwy, where you constantly have to slow down, speed up, and take the curves. I love to take drives, it's a huge stress reliever, and judging by mentions I've seen about Steven going on drives, he might also like to decompress by driving & turning the music up. He might've just known it would be a more easy, relaxing drive than going on the Hana Hwy. I would do it for that reason even if it took longer.

Regarding cell phone tower reception, here's a map supposedly showing the cell towers in Hawaii. The blue dots are AT&T which seems to be what is under review. I put an arrow near the one that could be turned East to give reception to E. Maui(?) and an arrow near one that could be servicing all of upcountry Haleakala, thus indicating he was back in his "home area" when he entered within its range. If this tower that I've arrowed (or another one of them) provided reception to the whole upcountry & Haiku area, then it might be as simple as him being in the region of, say, Ulupalakua when he connected with that tower on his drive home - nowhere near his actual home but just within the signal zone of his "home tower." I've just used this map as a possibility so we can visualize the reception issue, it's not meant to be precise at all.
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I love to drive as well and my friends who live in Haiku like to take the long way home when we drive to Hana. But we have only done this in the daytime, LOL.

In the early days of this case, I used to think that he scattered evidence in several different places to confuse the police. It would have worked, had it not been for the Life 360 app on Charli's phone and the love and persistence of her sister Phaedra.

 

[heartgoesout]

What day/time is SC put the back way?

 

[heartgoesout]

Records also showed 15 attempted calls from Capobianco's phone to Scott's phone from 5:47 to 6:35 p.m. Feb. 11, 2014, Easter said. A 3G cellphone tower was selected for some calls and a 2G cellphone tower for others, he said. "It's possibly in the area that provides coverage to the defendant's residence, but it's most likely now in an area that's along Hana Highway to include the Keanae crime scene," Easter said. Records showed the phones never connected, he said. That evening, Scott's sisters testified they were searching for Scott when they saw Capobianco driving up the dirt road leading to Nuaailua Bay off Hana Highway.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

In the early days of this case, I used to think that he scattered evidence in several different places to confuse the police. It would have worked, had it not been for the Life 360 app on Charli's phone and the love and persistence of her sister Phaedra.

I wonder every day if Charli's remains will ever be found. I think it would be so healing for her family - and for all the many people who care - to have that closure of knowing her ultimate fate and putting her physically to rest.

Soooo..."Large zip-ties" connected together and two rolls of "masking tape." Since we believe/know that she was dismembered, it seems to me that both of these items would be used to doubly seal a box/container. The huge amount of tape (2 *empty* rolls) would be the main sealant of the box, and the zip ties might have been a fail safe, to make doubly sure that the container did not come open. Masking tape loses its sticky and peels away in water which would lead me to believe the container wasn't put in the ocean. He very well might've buried the container back in Haiku somewhere since I now believe he took Hana Hwy back to Haiku on Monday evening (presumably w/ Charli's remains). Just brainstorming...

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Records also showed 15 attempted calls from Capobianco's phone to Scott's phone from 5:47 to 6:35 p.m. Feb. 11, 2014.......That evening, Scott's sisters testified they were searching for Scott when they saw Capobianco driving up the dirt road leading to Nuaailua Bay off Hana Highway.

What was that little bugger doing there AGAIN on Tuesday evening??? That's at least 3 nights in a row that he was there.

Edit: Oh duh, just re-read your post. He was looking for her cell phone. lol

 

[heartgoesout]

Moxie, that is just speculation on my part. He called her phone 15 times within a half hour in the vicinity of the crime at the time Phaedra and Brooke see him driving up the dirt road on Tuesday. So I am just guessing he was looking for her phone. It makes sense that he was calling it to try to hear it to locate it. His first interview was not until the next morning on Wednesday, so if that green case that was found in the back of his car on Wednesday was hers, than maybe he found it. (And remember Kaiser did not see the green case when he found his own cell phone in SC truck on Monday).
The phone data shows he knew exactly where to look for the phone. He destroyed the phone but kept the case? maybe to sell.
Still makes no sense why he would go to a police station with a murder victims cell phone case?