GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[heartgoesout]

Another bone? In the river? How deep was the water. WTH??

 

[heartgoesout]

https://mauinow.com/2016/07/26/charlis-mom-testifies-capobiancos-tone-was-out-of-context/

Recap of that Monday. Steven said he last saw her around Twin Falls... At that point their best bet was to followed the information they were given.

 

[PeterTosh]

Oh no! Rivera is beginning to use the phrase, "Would it be fair to say...."

There are too many Taylors in this case: Taylor Farner, Jennifer Taylor, Officer Taylor, and now the dental forensic witness, Dr. Taylor.

Its all his fault!

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Chips and pieces of bone, he had to have chopped her up or at least attempted to. I read a WS post that speculated that she was dragged and that's how she lost her fingertips but I remember Anthony Earles said that he found them in pretty much a line.

 

[KulaRN]

Today the Forensic Anthropologist testified that the bone fragment from femur or humerus (that was found on the stream) and the marks on the jaw bone were, in her expert opinion, from being dismembered or disarticulated. Rivera asked a hypothetical today that was very disturbing, apparently his theory is that she was left for a few days, decomposing, then he (SC) came back and chopped her up.

 

[Kapua]

That was me. The officer speaks about it on the stand here at 28:40

[video]https://youtu.be/vevzLuogUOE[/video]

He says he took the small Ace Rewards card to Ace, scanned it, but nothing came up and they did nothing else. :-(

Ah. Thank you. Officer Keola Tom was asked to follow up on the Ace rewards card that was found - key chain size, which he did. I'm surprised that they couldn't track the card to purchases, if not a person. Do you think there's a chance that the police went back to the Ace store after retrieving the cell phone records and determining at approximately which day and time SC was near the airport?

 

[Kapua]

Today the Forensic Anthropologist testified that the bone fragment from femur or humerus (that was found on the stream) and the marks on the jaw bone were, in her expert opinion, from being dismembered or disarticulated. Rivera asked a hypothetical today that was very disturbing, apparently his theory is that she was left for a few days, decomposing, then he (SC) came back and chopped her up.

Thank you. I could not listen to the testimony.

He's a monster. May he spend the rest of his miserable days locked up in jail. :jail:

 

[puakenikeni]

Was the app on her or her mom Kim's phone? Do we even know when Phaedra actually checked that app?
Let's say Phaedra checked it Monday after school and it showed that area. Wouldn't it still show that same area Monday late night or Tuesday for example if that when she looked?
Also the app did not give an address, it showed a general area of the jungle.
I too would like to say what I would have or would not have done those first few days, but that dangerous territory.

My memory of the phone testimony (from Phaedra) is she and Kim and Charli all had the app. (And maybe Fiona.). It's a family circle and it shows where all the members are.

A lot of testimony since the early days when this was told, but my memory (which may be defective) is that Phaedra checked on Kim's phone on Monday night. After they had gone to Charli's house I believe, and were back at Kim's house, which is the point where Kim made the late evening police report.

Phaedra used her own phone when she went out there.

I am certainly not purporting to speak for what the family felt or decided other than reminding us of certain things that have been testimony in court or in news articles and interviews back in 2014, and/or facts of the timeline.

Hana Highway is a very tricky road, and I totally can see I would not be going out to some dirt 4WD road off of it at night unless I really knew there was a reason. A ping is not a text or voicemail saying HELP I am at Paraqauat's. It's very impersonal, and all it meant was the phone had been there and then could have died.

I forgot to mention in the list of deterrents that SC told family he had looked down there, and the family cars wouldn't make it down the road. By Wed. night when the 4Runner was found, they all knew she had come to harm, and the next day is when Phaedra recruited help to check out the ping.

It is too bad that the 360 app ping did not get immediate attention from the search and rescue, but I have no idea if they were told about it or what the thinking was about the app. I do remember Kim or some family trying to get cell phone provider records of the activity, but not having success IIRC.

 

[puakenikeni]

Today the Forensic Anthropologist testified that the bone fragment from femur or humerus (that was found on the stream) and the marks on the jaw bone were, in her expert opinion, from being dismembered or disarticulated. Rivera asked a hypothetical today that was very disturbing, apparently his theory is that she was left for a few days, decomposing, then he (SC) came back and chopped her up.

Interesting. I guess that's the next segment as I catch up on today.

That's been my theory for quite a while. Based on the distribution and quantity of maggots and the concentration of them on the blanket that I keep asking people to explain, and on the rushed timeline for Sunday night.

 

[puakenikeni]

Another bone? In the river? How deep was the water. WTH??

They found nothing in the river on that search. The bone frag was wedged in the dirt between surface roots of the sapling tree with the chop marks that was ground zero for the jaw fragments too. They published a photo on the big screen showing how it looked before they removed it, definitely not in the stream. AFTER they explored the beach and the stream, the officer who knew where the jawbone had been found led James Taylor to the spot with the tree and the rock, and then they found it.

 

[puakenikeni]

Ah. Thank you. Officer Keola Tom was asked to follow up on the Ace rewards card that was found - key chain size, which he did. I'm surprised that they couldn't track the card to purchases, if not a person. Do you think there's a chance that the police went back to the Ace store after retrieving the cell phone records and determining at approximately which day and time SC was near the airport?

I don't know if you saw my post #435 about the Ace cards. It was the last one on the page and easy to miss.
The card has no physical information on it at all (unless it has user DNA on it). If it does not scan, then it is just a piece of generic plastic. What it scans. when it works, is to is a rewards account with name and address and phone number. Like most of these rewards programs, it credits the amounts of purchases as it is used until the customer has spent enough for it to generate a reward. I have had one of their rewards accounts from way back when I first moved to Hawai'i and was repairing my first house. (see my earlier post).

 

[Nikki Lisette]

You can also get an Ace (Albertsons, Safeway, CVS, Walgreens) rewards card and get immediate discounts. Often like Pua said, the cashier will give you a new one and ask you to go online and complete the process. And ugh, no they do not keep a record of purchases. I bought sour milk at CVS and threw my receipt away. I had no way to prove I bought that rotten milk at CVS even though I used my CVS card.

Ace ought to have had footage of the customers entering and exiting the store.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thank you. I could not listen to the testimony.

He's a monster. May he spend the rest of his miserable days locked up in jail. :jail:

I have also had a real hard time with the forensic testimony, because every time I imagine what was done to her, and how she was treated, and what her family is forced to imagine. And all her many friends. It doesn't get better.

I am not shocked at him being a monster though. I decided that had to be the case a long time ago. My interpretation of him is: I don't think he understands love as normal people know it. He never loved Charli, or cared about her. He used her. She became the opposite of useful and he disposed of her. He did not love Cassie either. He can't distinguish actual love for another human from infatuation with how a new love makes him feel. He "loved" Taylor and she cheated on him, and that "did not end well" (quoting him). He went and broke into her house and slashed her tires. But Taylor did not go and get pregnant and fail to get an abortion, so he was able to continue to associate with her after he had processed the break-up.

Charli, OTOH, that really "did not end well." He lost his job, his truck, and his great stereo, and his house. Now he has to sit in jail because of her and people call him names like monster, which he does not like. He can't see his beloved Chunk. He hates her family and the only good part for him is they are suffering and he thinks no one but him holds the key to ending that. This pleases him.

That is my theory of what is in his black heart.

 

[ho'oponopono]

Regarding why the family didn't go to Nua'ailua/Paraquat's on Monday night, remember at that time they were looking for her vehicle that had gone off the road (they thought this was the potentially bad scenario). And it's fairly impossible to see anything out that road at night. And I think I would tend to mistrust the exactitude of the app, given how Google Maps messes (also satellite) is frequently messing up here, at least on my island. The exact location in the middle of a jungle valley a way off of the road made no sense. And they had no clue at all Monday night that she would go out Hana Highway. In fact, they had reason to think she would not.

So on Tuesday, they now have a reason to look out Hana Highway after talking to SC at Mana Foods, BUT he has told them of a spot past Keanae. And again they are looking for her vehicle having maybe gone off the highway, which is a lot of real estate to search just right off of this highway over the edge. And Maui Search and Rescue was not previously organized; this was the beginning.

And then Wednesday, there was Nala in Nahiku. So off they went.
Then Thursday, the 4Runner has been found near Jaws. Another lead.
I imagine Kim was out of her mind with worry by that time, and then all the work of encouraging people to please come out and search.
Phaedra -- it's somehow not surprising that it's the youngest person out there who believes in the phone app enough to pursue it. The older people maybe aren't as convinced that "high tech" is going to have the answer. (I am old, and I happen to love my iPhone, so I'm not saying it's totally generational, but still it was the teenager who fixated on the Life 360 app.)

I understand now better, there was so much going on, lots of deception from SC, and no one wants to fear the worst! But just for future reference, life360 uses GPS which is "worst case scenario" 7.8m (25ft) off (http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/). In my experience on Maui GPS is accurate to within 3 yards, though life 360 will not update if the user logs off or the phone is dead. It sounds like the family didn't get a good feeling from SC the entire time but who would want to believe he would murder her? I am so sad this happened to them. I can only speculate as to what I would do and only from the place of knowing what we all know about him not being out there long enough to finish cleaning up his crime Sunday, so of course its a bit skewed. I have a feeling he will end up in jail either way and only because of all their diligence.

 

[puakenikeni]

You can also get an Ace (Albertsons, Safeway, CVS, Walgreens) rewards card and get immediate discounts. Often like Pua said, the cashier will give you a new one and ask you to go online and complete the process. And ugh, no they do not keep a record of purchases. I bought sour milk at CVS and threw my receipt away. I had no way to prove I bought that rotten milk at CVS even though I used my CVS card.

Ace ought to have had footage of the customers entering and exiting the store.

Thanks for explaining it better as to why it was probably a new and not activated card. I have several of those, and a few from Office Max too where I never went on line and linked them. The reason I didn't care is you don't need the card. All you need at Ace is name or phone number for the cashier to look up the rewards and apply the number to the purchase.
And yes, even though Safeway gives me personalized prices based on my purchases, they still do not believe I bought something unless I have the receipt. All the program does is track the things I buy in a general way, without saving the purchase history.
I hope they did get to the store cameras before the storage on the security footage got overwritten (if if does). Please let them have video of him buying tape and so forth.

 

[ho'oponopono]

Thanks for all the updates on today, its the first day I couldn't watch any of it, so I'm super behind. A new bone!!!

 

[puakenikeni]

I understand now better, there was so much going on, lots of deception from SC, and no one wants to fear the worst! But just for future reference, life360 uses GPS which is "worst case scenario" 7.8m (25ft) off (http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/). In my experience on Maui GPS is accurate to within 3 yards, though life 360 will not update if the user logs off or the phone is dead. It sounds like the family didn't get a good feeling from SC the entire time but who would want to believe he would murder her? I am so sad this happened to them. I can only speculate as to what I would do and only from the place of knowing what we all know about him not being out there long enough to finish cleaning up his crime Sunday, so of course its a bit skewed. I have a feeling he will end up in jail either way and only because of all their diligence.

Indeed.
We (different island) have some glitches with GPS. Like people coming up my driveway looking for an address a mile away, and a museum that gets lots of unintended traffic from a better known attraction two miles away, because the GPS coordinates used by the navigation systems in people's cars lead to the wrong spot. I also have been told that the County property tax office uses Google GPS coordinates for mapping land parcels (maps available online), but they are not deemed reliable, and are easily 50 feet off on the parcel boundaries that I just looked at this summer. I confirmed that when I had the land surveyed. Google was way off and would have had me building in the setbacks. That's what I meant by them not being exact, but it sounds like Maui is more on the spot.

 

[Kapua]

You can also get an Ace (Albertsons, Safeway, CVS, Walgreens) rewards card and get immediate discounts. Often like Pua said, the cashier will give you a new one and ask you to go online and complete the process. And ugh, no they do not keep a record of purchases. I bought sour milk at CVS and threw my receipt away. I had no way to prove I bought that rotten milk at CVS even though I used my CVS card.

Ace ought to have had footage of the customers entering and exiting the store.

I have Safeway and CVS rewards cards. The CVS one is the best, because you get $5.00 off coupons after you spend X many dollars there. It must track the dollar amounts and the type of merchandise. So, apparently, this Ace card was given at purchase time and not registered (unsurprisingly.)

Anyway, I am hoping that Ace kept the footage for the day SC purchased the zip ties, tape, and light tools.

 

[Kapua]

I don't know if you saw my post #435 about the Ace cards. It was the last one on the page and easy to miss.
The card has no physical information on it at all (unless it has user DNA on it). If it does not scan, then it is just a piece of generic plastic. What it scans. when it works, is to is a rewards account with name and address and phone number. Like most of these rewards programs, it credits the amounts of purchases as it is used until the customer has spent enough for it to generate a reward. I have had one of their rewards accounts from way back when I first moved to Hawai'i and was repairing my first house. (see my earlier post).

No, actually, for some reason (work, etc.) I missed the posts AND the portion of the video about the Ace card the first time 'round, so thanks to everyone who posted. I'm up to speed now. I googled Ace Hardware Kahului, and the store is located pretty close to the airport

 

[KulaRN]

Thank you for clearing that up, Pua. My bad, I meant to say found on the March 8th search by officer Taylor who searched the stream and other areas. The bone fragment was found near where the jaw bone was found, but almost a month later. Makes me wonder if there are still fragments of bone/evidence there now...?