HLN Coverage On Baby Lisa This Hour 10/17/11

[Turnadot]

I just totally came up with some questions and if someone could answer them that would be great. I have a way of asking questions that don't typically have answers.

1. Where is that Dad works again?
2. Is it possible for the parents of Baby Lisa to not allow children to be questioned by LE? Is there a way for them to deny consent since they are minors, or would the children be pressed to answer questions regardless of age?

Personally, I do not think alcohol or anything of the like was taking place that night. There's just no way to not leave any evidence in a state like that, or get rid of phones and keep at the children quite and then later having them all act normal - too many holes. I've thought long and hard about this since the statement was made. However, what's the best way to make it look like a random home invasion/abduction? Oh, yeah, mom passed out completely drunk and another person was smart enough to cover all these bases...

Colour by me.

Yeah, I'm iffy on that, too. Is she setting up for a defense, or was she really drunk? IDK, and I can't take her at face value.

I could imagine her concluding that if charged, she'd rather roll the dice against manslaughter than murder 1.

My opinions...

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I watched a docu-drama last night about a guy who broke into several houses in Missouri in les than two weeks, in some instances he killed children in the home, killed one adult in the home, and abducted several children from the homes. He also moved across the country murdering and abducting victims right out from under the noses of sleeping family members before he was caught.
Tunnel vision toward DB and JI, IMHO, won't help find Lisa and bring her home if DB is telling the truth, which I think, at this time, she is.

 

[Lillith]

I watched a docu-drama last night about a guy who broke into several houses in Missouri in les than two weeks, in some instances he killed children in the home, killed one adult in the home, and abducted several children from the homes. He also moved across the country murdering and abducting victims right out from under the noses of sleeping family members before he was caught.
Tunnel vision toward DB and JI, IMHO, won't help find Lisa and bring her home if DB is telling the truth, which I think, at this time, she is.

Oh god, it's the stuff of nightmares......

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Oh god, it's the stuff of nightmares......

One mother who claimed a man broke into the home and stabbed her son was eventually arrested, tried and convicted of her son's murder. She spent several years in prison until she won a re-trial. The composite sketch she gave police at the time matched this man to a tee. Now if I could remember the perps name, but at the moment I can only remember his middle name was Lynn. It sucks to get old... :banghead:

 

[Turnadot]

One mother who claimed a man broke into the home and stabbed her son was eventually arrested, tried and convicted of her son's murder. She spent several years in prison until she won a re-trial. The composite sketch she gave police at the time matched this man to a tee. Now if I could remember the perps name, but at the moment I can only remember his middle name was Lynn. It sucks to get old... :banghead:

Tommy Lynn Sells?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Tommy Lynn Sells?

YES, Thank you.

 

[In da Middle]

This is weird...I just GOOGLED 3624 North Lister and did the 360* turnaround view, and there is a woman driving a pickup on the GOOGLE "street" view that looks like Deborah Bradley!

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3624+...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA

By looking at a few things (vehicles no longer owned, houses for sale, etc), this image is over 4 years old. She has been here about 2.

 

[BritsKate]

She is very willing to talk. She has admitted she was drunk but can't figure out why it matters. She seems to be convinced shes done nothing wrong. That is up for debate- but being irresponsible doesn't tell us where Lisa is. Also, if she was drunk, how could she pull off the perfect crime? She doesnt evev drive. She does not set off my hunky meter at all. She actually seems very simple and naive. JMO

RSBBM

I have a different opinion. I call this maneuvering truth by extension. If she 'tells all' about what many would find damning then she must also be telling the truth about what happened that night. What's better really? Having the general public believe you to be irresponsible or accuse you of murdering your baby?

I do think she believes she's done nothing wrong in terms of drinking but then I am not convinced she did drink to the excess she claims. It very conveniently wraps up any inconsistencies or inability to recall.

Just because she doesn't have a licence doesn't mean she cannot drive. (I 'borrowed' my sister's car when I was 15 years old. )

Where you see simplicity and naivete I see manipulation and deflection. And she does most certainly set my hinky meter off...but then most parents of missing children often do - I'm admittedly very cynical. I pray Debbie and Jeremy weren't involved though.

 

[In da Middle]

...up and down North Lister. It's a very nice neighborhood. Next door to DB's house (to the right) is a home with a huge, old, possibly hollow pine tree on the front lawn.

I suppose the dogs would have hit on it if there were a baby's body inside. (Thinking of that other strange midwestern case where the perp hid the bodies in a hollow tree.)

Also, it's easy to find out all the neighbor's names on the reverse search websites. The drinking buddy's name is there, for the curious.

The BING birdseye view of the neighborhood shows many backyard pools and many sheds. I suppose they have all been searched.

Tree is not hollow and yes all outbuildings and such have been searched to my personal knowledge.

 

[loveandhugs]

Agreed.

I'm sure DB's lawyer could recommend someone. It does set of my alarms that DB won't allow the boys to talk about it with anyone at all, not even a private child psychologist. The boys might remember something later on and a child psychologist could work with them, skillfully draw it out. Plus I'm sure they are confused and scared and need to talk about it. From what I understand, DB claims she's never talked with the boys about it.

IMO

The boys sister is missing, I am sure they wonder what happened to her, does DB just want to ignore that. If the boys heard or saw something, that is going to remain with them forever. I also do not understand why she won't let the boys speak to LE if she wants to find Lisa. I would say that I want to be able to view the interview from another room, and as another poster explained, have a child psychologist speak to the children instead of LE.

As far as DB and JI, I have a difficult time believing anything that they say now, their stories keep changing. Poor Lisa, this is suppose to be about finding her, not finding a lawyer to protect the family, that can come later on if it is necessary/

 

[TheDuchess]

The boys sister is missing, I am sure they wonder what happened to her, does DB just want to ignore that. If the boys heard or saw something, that is going to remain with them forever. I also do not understand why she won't let the boys speak to LE if she wants to find Lisa. I would say that I want to be able to view the interview from another room, and as another poster explained, have a child psychologist speak to the children instead of LE.

As far as DB and JI, I have a difficult time believing anything that they say now, their stories keep changing. Poor Lisa, this is suppose to be about finding her, not finding a lawyer to protect the family, that can come later on if it is necessary/

If I were innocent but felt that LE was brow beating me there would come a point I would stop being interviewed and lawyer up. Innocent people do that as well as guilty. I would also not let them speak to my children if they had already been interviewed several times. I would be afraid they would try to get the kids to say incriminating things. It is very easy to get young children to say whatever you want them to. I remember a case many years ago about a preschool teacher on trial for molesting the kids and it turned out he was innocent and the interviewers got the kids to say all kinds of crazy things. These people do have 2 other children to protect as well.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I've heard several people say that DB put Lisa down for bed at 6:40 and didn't check on her again. I'm pretty sure that is NOT what she said. What I recall is her saying that she put Lisa to bed at 6:40, and an hour later she saw Lisa standing up in her crib. That would put the last time she saw Lisa at 7:40.

Did I not hear correctly?

The intial story she gave was that she put Lisa to bed at 7:30, and then checked on her again at 10:30. She has never said that she put the baby to bed at 10:30. Not that I heard anyway.

 

[lorann]

If I were innocent but felt that LE was brow beating me there would come a point I would stop being interviewed and lawyer up. Innocent people do that as well as guilty. I would also not let them speak to my children if they had already been interviewed several times. I would be afraid they would try to get the kids to say incriminating things. It is very easy to get young children to say whatever you want them to. I remember a case many years ago about a preschool teacher on trial for molesting the kids and it turned out he was innocent and the interviewers got the kids to say all kinds of crazy things. These people do have 2 other children to protect as well.

I agree with getting a lawyer if you feel the questioning is getting out of hand. That does not mean you will not speak with LE or not cooperate with LE, simply means you will not be questioned unfairly. If what the mother said was true about her drinking, she was in no shape to be questioned hour upon hour - and the father had worked all night, had no sleep plus a missing daughter. They are aware parents are always suspected and need to be eliminated as soon as possible. A lawyer can help them accomplish that goal. It is possible that they could have been appointed a lawyer to just get them through the initial formalities but so much pressure may cause them to not take this step. A lawyer does not always say - that's it, no more.

If the children had been questioned initially and the parents felt they were not handles properly, their lawyer could help the parents handle this as well.

 

[iluvmua]

The boys sister is missing, I am sure they wonder what happened to her, does DB just want to ignore that. If the boys heard or saw something, that is going to remain with them forever. I also do not understand why she won't let the boys speak to LE if she wants to find Lisa. I would say that I want to be able to view the interview from another room, and as another poster explained, have a child psychologist speak to the children instead of LE.

As far as DB and JI, I have a difficult time believing anything that they say now, their stories keep changing. Poor Lisa, this is suppose to be about finding her, not finding a lawyer to protect the family, that can come later on if it is necessary/

That's exactly it, She does not.

 

[Turnadot]

If I were innocent but felt that LE was brow beating me there would come a point I would stop being interviewed and lawyer up. Innocent people do that as well as guilty. I would also not let them speak to my children if they had already been interviewed several times. I would be afraid they would try to get the kids to say incriminating things. It is very easy to get young children to say whatever you want them to. I remember a case many years ago about a preschool teacher on trial for molesting the kids and it turned out he was innocent and the interviewers got the kids to say all kinds of crazy things. These people do have 2 other children to protect as well.

Me too. That's just smart. Then after I got myself a lawyer, I'd continue cooperating with LE. I'd completely freeze the media out unless I was begging for my child's life; I wouldn't do a self serving media blitz like DB and JI are doing.

My opinions...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I just totally came up with some questions and if someone could answer them that would be great. I have a way of asking questions that don't typically have answers.

1. Where is that Dad works again?
2. Is it possible for the parents of Baby Lisa to not allow children to be questioned by LE? Is there a way for them to deny consent since they are minors, or would the children be pressed to answer questions regardless of age?

Personally, I do not think alcohol or anything of the like was taking place that night. There's just no way to not leave any evidence in a state like that, or get rid of phones and keep at the children quite and then later having them all act normal - too many holes. I've thought long and hard about this since the statement was made. However, what's the best way to make it look like a random home invasion/abduction? Oh, yeah, mom passed out completely drunk and another person was smart enough to cover all these bases...

1. Jeremy Irwin is an electrician. He reportedly started a new job on the Monday that Baby Lisa went missing. JI was working an afternoon/evening shift at a Starbuck's not far from the family home. He left for work at 5:20 and got home at @4:00AM.

 

[Turnadot]

The boys sister is missing, I am sure they wonder what happened to her, does DB just want to ignore that. If the boys heard or saw something, that is going to remain with them forever. I also do not understand why she won't let the boys speak to LE if she wants to find Lisa. I would say that I want to be able to view the interview from another room, and as another poster explained, have a child psychologist speak to the children instead of LE.

As far as DB and JI, I have a difficult time believing anything that they say now, their stories keep changing. Poor Lisa, this is suppose to be about finding her, not finding a lawyer to protect the family, that can come later on if it is necessary/

I would be willing to do this, provided I was allowed to meet with the child psychologist first. I wouldn't balk at LE being present during the process, as long as LE wasn't doing any of the questioning and I was privy to the entire interview. I can see myself agreeing to that.

So I guess I'm not a complete hardass.

 

[cachmo]

This is all MOO. (sorry I have to vent a little)
Ive been on the fence and I slipped a little here and there but never fell off till yesterday. I am furious and sick. I do NOT believe she was as drunk as she is claiming. I believe she is setting up her defense. Her newly hired lawyer has been in contact with them for over a week. I think he told them lets do a media blitz let little pieces of the story out to different people, state you were drunk and in a possible black out and then Ill step up say enough is enough and finish the story.
I do not know what happened to this beautiful baby, but I believe her mother does.
I also believe they need a lawyer but this big high profile lawyer? I think its over kill for an innocent middle class family JMO. That being said he is very believable and I like him I just think they shouldve called someone off "Main St" so to speak.
I pray Baby Lisa is found safe, healthy and happy today.
I pray Im wrong about her family. (and I HATE to be wrong lol)

 

[goldringstx]

Tree is not hollow and yes all outbuildings and such have been searched to my personal knowledge.

At the risk of sounding crazy to everyone, is there anything in the area that stands out to you as far as something that looks like the letter B... possibly a 3D B on a sign, in a yard, etc?

 

[luckyme]

What happened to the lady thats ex fbi working with wild Bill. The threat specialist? Uhm? Guess they didnt get the help with the lawyer in Illinois either. Makes u wonder if Wild Bill had to take another avenue because of things he has found out. moo :twocents: