Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #2 ***ARREST***

[shefner]

This is going to be one amazing trial. I am ready! Justice for Holly....

 

[cluciano63]

I have a feeling that in both this case, and in that of Heather Elvis, the jury may be required to conclude that the victim is dead. Jmo

 

[Carla Lashelle]

So much for the theory batted about by some that ZA had some rich person covering up for him and would pay his lawyer bill...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Since I read the tweet today stating the DA has voluminous evidence on Zach Adams, I am beginning to believe that he is the only suspect in the aggravated kidnapping and murder of Holly.

He was arrested in February, 2014 and here we are almost in mid April, 2014, and there have been no other arrests connected to her case.

If the investigation of Adams has been ongoing for three years it just makes logical sense to me if anyone else was involved LE would have uncovered the other participants when they were investigating Adams. Especially since the names rumored have close ties with Adams, himself.

And really that makes a lot more sense to me. Almost every time we see cases like Holly's the kidnapping and murder was done by one sole perpetrator.

Now I suppose at some given point others could be arrested for lessor charges such as aiding and abetting possibly but that may not even happen either.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have a feeling that in both this case, and in that of Heather Elvis, the jury may be required to conclude that the victim is dead. Jmo

I actually believe that evidence will be brought forth that proves positively that Holly Bobo is dead, and has been murdered. I don't know about in Heather's case since we know for sure her body hasn't been recovered yet. The dramatic differences in the two cases is this DA has refused to answer the question of whether Holly's body has been located or not.

I don't think the jury in Adams' case will have to assume or consider her dead, but will be given irrefutable evidence proving it to be so. Just like the Bobos would never just assume she is deceased without proof.

I have always believed the DA has positive proof that Sierra Lamar was murdered by Torres, and the DA is not just depending on certain circumstances to link it together, imo. That was the quickest arrest and charge of Torres that I have ever witnessed when we knew the body hadn't even been located.

So whatever this DA has as proof of Holly's murder is irrefutable, imo.

 

[jggordo]

I was a little confused by the fact that the Judge will not allow an attorney to look at any discovery before signing on "for the long haul" in a potential death penalty case. How could an attorney even let the client (or family of) know what potential fees and or retainer would be necessary. That doesn't seem fair to me. I'm not talking about the full "discovery" but at least what they are in for. I believe the point is moot because I believe it is WAY over their means. But I've never seen a Judge do that before. Am I crazy?

 

[Foxfire]

In an earlier post, it was mentioned; why have a tribute, memorial ride, or a community awareness event once a suspect is arrested and an indictment is achieved? I've been thinking about that a lot. Awareness is very important, not only when a person goes missing, but throughout the investigative process, and even after an arrest and indictment of the suspect is made..to insure eventual Justice..
This conclusion came to me after watching an investigative report about a Jane Doe victim; Michelle Haggadone, whose remains were recovered in the woods at an I-20 SC rest stop. Ironically the suspect in her case; a long haul trucker; John Wayne Boyer, is also tied to victims in TN & NC, as well as SC. JWB traveled the nation for decades preying on innocent victims and was oblivious to law enforcement; "The Silent Epidemic"..


'The I-20 Girl - Jane Doe' (Michelle Haggadone-missing since the year 2000)
http://www.wistv.com/story/25203163...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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'Just When the Caterpillar Thought the World Was Over, It Became a Butterfly'..quote by Michelle Knight; one of the Cleveland, OH, Three..

 

[murphy3k]

I was a little confused by the fact that the Judge will not allow an attorney to look at any discovery before signing on "for the long haul" in a potential death penalty case. How could an attorney even let the client (or family of) know what potential fees and or retainer would be necessary. That doesn't seem fair to me. I'm not talking about the full "discovery" but at least what they are in for. I believe the point is moot because I believe it is WAY over their means. But I've never seen a Judge do that before. Am I crazy?

In TN, the rules of criminal procedure pretty much mirror the federal rules, so the discovery process would be governed by Rule 16.

https://www.tncourts.gov/rules/rules-criminal-procedure/16

There is no mandatory disclosure in TN state criminal cases. The defendant is required to request disclosure of evidence from the prosecution. If she is not his counsel of record she is unable to file any discovery requests (or pleadings) on his behalf. MOO, but I have seen many cases (civil and criminal) where judges will not allow attorneys to file pleadings in a case where they are not listed as an attorney of record.

 

[jggordo]

In TN, the rules of criminal procedure pretty much mirror the federal rules, so the discovery process would be governed by Rule 16.

https://www.tncourts.gov/rules/rules-criminal-procedure/16

There is no mandatory disclosure in TN state criminal cases. The defendant is required to request disclosure of evidence from the prosecution. If she is not his counsel of record she is unable to file any discovery requests (or pleadings) on his behalf. MOO, but I have seen many cases (civil and criminal) where judges will not allow attorneys to file pleadings in a case where they are not listed as an attorney of record.

Thanks for the info. So it seems that a defendant is pretty well "boxed in" with a case like this to have a public defender. Unless they have enough money to just carte blanche an attorney. In a case like this how could an attorney "all in or all out"? Just wondering.

 

[Wonless]

Since I read the tweet today stating the DA has voluminous evidence on Zach Adams, I am beginning to believe that he is the only suspect in the aggravated kidnapping and murder of Holly.

He was arrested in February, 2014 and here we are almost in mid April, 2014, and there have been no other arrests connected to her case.

If the investigation of Adams has been ongoing for three years it just makes logical sense to me if anyone else was involved LE would have uncovered the other participants when they were investigating Adams. Especially since the names rumored have close ties with Adams, himself.

And really that makes a lot more sense to me. Almost every time we see cases like Holly's the kidnapping and murder was done by one sole perpetrator.

Now I suppose at some given point others could be arrested for lessor charges such as aiding and abetting possibly but that may not even happen either.

IMO

I also thought that the voluminous quote was the most interesting of the day. Does not necessarily mean that it amounts to much but its interesting to speculate that LE has suspected ZA all along and is just now got some kind of break that gave them what they needed to arrest and charge.

 

[murphy3k]

Thanks for the info. So it seems that a defendant is pretty well "boxed in" with a case like this to have a public defender. Unless they have enough money to just carte blanche an attorney. In a case like this how could an attorney "all in or all out"? Just wondering.

I would guess she has a pretty good idea of what she's getting into. If she's death penalty qualified she knows what to expect from her previous death penalty trials. Granted, those may not have had such publicity.

Makes me wonder if they're haggling a bit over her fees. Either way, the judge didn't sound pleased that she hoodwinked him a bit. Without ZA there to speak for himself, since he is still not represented, he could not do anything to progress the case.

I think in many cases like this, judges are a bit stricter on withdrawals and substitutions of counsel. They tend to cause tremendous delays in cases like this where there is a lot of evidence to review. Ethical rules would allow withdrawal in certain instances, but except for three specific reasons, permitting withdrawal is at the discretion of the judge. I think the judge would like to keep the case moving and the first step in doing that is getting ZA an attorney.

All MOO, of course.

Here is the link to TN's rule on withdrawal of representation:
http://www.tba.org/sites/default/files/2011_TRPC-Rule_1.16_correction_0.pdf

 

[luvhockey]

Witness coercion charges added today.

In the newly released court affidavit, Adams has been charge with witness coercion.
He is being held at the Chester County Jail and when he learned another inmate was being transferred to the same jail where his younger brother is being held he allegedly sent him a threatening message.
The affidavit reportedly said the message to John Dylan Adams, his brother who is serving time at another jail for a stolen firearms charge, said “He’s the one who started this [expletive] and if he don’t shut his mouth he will be in the hole beside her.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ollybobo&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

 

[Wonless]

I am not sure that Holly was stalked. I'm wondering if ZA was just planning on breaking in and robbing the Bobo's. Holly happened to come out when ZA thought everyone would be gone. He didn't plan for Clint being there either. Once Holly screamed his plans changed and he took her.

ZA was known to rob people. Going through the woods to hit the homes in that area may be how he always committed robberies. I just think it would be odd for him to see her and plan an abduction. From what I have heard of meth heads, they are emotional, violent at times, and strung out if they are in need of a fix. Just because he has land and knows how to dump a body in a wilderness does not mean he is some genius outsmarting LE.

I just have a hard time buying into some complicated plan by some drug addict that had been caught for multiple crimes many times. JMO

I see a lot of sense in this... But what was the coon hunt incident involving Holly and ZA. Was there any official report that anything like that actually happened or was that just a rumor?

Also, did anyone see the report about ZA posting a picture of himself in camo on FB with the caption, "Who are you looking for?" and get chills down the spine. First thing I thought was, so that's the face Holly saw when she walked into the car port 3 years ago...

 

[Foxfire]

Imo, ZA was the primary suspect by investigators in the HB abduction within the first ten days of the investigation...

 

[Wonless]

Imo, ZA was the primary suspect by investigators in the HB abduction within the first ten days of the investigation...

If that was true, ZA is a convicted felon...It doesn't take much for LE to get a search warrant on a convicted felon. Pretty much a stiff breeze in his direction would have been enough, considering that there was no proof that Holly was not still alive 10 days after her abduction. I can't believe that they would have let possible forensic evidence sit while they waited for better "circumstantial" evidence. Obviously the X factor here is we have no idea what "NSA" type of surveillance technology the FBI/TBI might have to bring to bare on the situation, but even if they had been following his movements and communications, is that really more important than say a search warrant of his vehicle for Holly's blood when we know she was bleeding at the time of the kidnapping.. I just don't buy it.

 

[Suthrnqt]

If that was true, ZA is a convicted felon...It doesn't take much for LE to get a search warrant on a convicted felon. Pretty much a stiff breeze in his direction would have been enough, considering that there was no proof that Holly was not still alive 10 days after her abduction. I can't believe that they would have let possible forensic evidence sit while they waited for better "circumstantial" evidence. Obviously the X factor here is we have no idea what "NSA" type of surveillance technology the FBI/TBI might have to bring to bare on the situation, but even if they had been following his movements and communications, is that really more important than say a search warrant of his vehicle for Holly's blood when we know she was bleeding at the time of the kidnapping.. I just don't buy it.

I think in the beginning, ZA was part of the inner circle of city LE. This is purely speculation on my part. I'm pretty sure he did something for the town or county. Not anything official, like a go-fer or transportion. But he would have access to LE communications. He might have friends,(customers) or family also employed there. I am again speculating-- not been released to MSM or by LE. Plus, from what I understand, his family has money or is influential in this small town.

I also think that is why TBI took over the investigation.

Just my :twocents: and is not known as fact. Just wanted to make sure that was clear.



ETA: Plz don't ask for a link, 'cuz I don't have one.

 

[~n/t~]

I think in the beginning, ZA was part of the inner circle of city LE. This is purely speculation on my part. I'm pretty sure he did something for the town or county. Not anything official, like a go-fer or transportion. But he would have access to LE communications. He might have friends,(customers) or family also employed there. I am again speculating-- not been released to MSM or by LE. Plus, from what I understand, his family has money or is influential in this small town.

I also think that is why TBI took over the investigation.

Just my :twocents: and is not known as fact. Just wanted to make sure that was clear.



ETA: Plz don't ask for a link, 'cuz I don't have one.

TBI was there from the start. They didn't just take over the investigation.

 

[~n/t~]

Since I read the tweet today stating the DA has voluminous evidence on Zach Adams, I am beginning to believe that he is the only suspect in the aggravated kidnapping and murder of Holly.

He was arrested in February, 2014 and here we are almost in mid April, 2014, and there have been no other arrests connected to her case.

If the investigation of Adams has been ongoing for three years it just makes logical sense to me if anyone else was involved LE would have uncovered the other participants when they were investigating Adams. Especially since the names rumored have close ties with Adams, himself.

And really that makes a lot more sense to me. Almost every time we see cases like Holly's the kidnapping and murder was done by one sole perpetrator.

Now I suppose at some given point others could be arrested for lessor charges such as aiding and abetting possibly but that may not even happen either.

IMO

I'm convinced some knew about it and did nothing. Yes, perhaps he acted alone but I'll be furious if those who knew didn't come forward sooner and won't be charged.

 

[~n/t~]

Thanks to all for the updates on the hearing. Needless to say, I'm angry and very disappointed that

1. He doesn't have an attorney

2. They suspected him all along and did nothing

 

[~n/t~]

I find this tweet very interesting.

Jordan Buie ‏
A district attorney's office prosecutor called the evidence retained against Zach Adams over three years "voluminous." #HollyBobo

The next scheduled court date for Zach Adams is April 30, 2014 at 1:00pm.

It seems by the Prosecutor's statements that they have been investigating Zach Adams all along during the entire time from when Holly went missing until he was arrested and charged.

I bet they have amassed a voluminous amount of evidence against him.

IMO

This infuriates me. 3 years and they didn't arrest him. The family continued to hold on to hope she was still alive. They continued with their fundraising events, the hope for Holly vigils, the continuos speculations about Clint when all along they had their suspect right in their faces.

I'm so angry I could scream.