How Did LE Clear BD?

[TxLady2]

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I do have Adobe and it upgrades frequently. Still won't play. But thanks.

 

[Kamille]

Very true if she is lying to cover for him. I'm sure she wants to believe he's innocent. Supporting him (as twisted as that it) is not lying. Are you referring to a specific proven lie that she made in order to cover up for Shawn? IMO that's the only way it would be considered obstruction of justice. If she intensionally lied to cover up for SA.I don't think choosing to believe him and supporting theories that prove him innocent is a crime. Even know it bothers me deeply. I still don't think BD had anything to do with Hailey's disappearance but supporting SA while he is still a suspect in her daughter's disappearance is hard to take.

Well she is lying in the media about information that she supposedly first provided to LE. She is not being forthcoming about anything she knows about SA and their "rocky relationship" that might indicate a possible motive. She is also indicating that LE is lying about information on those affadavits that they received from other witnesses. They are standing by the affadavits.

Telling LE one thing when your daughter goes missing and you want to do everything you can to find her and then trying to retract it when your "AWESOME" boyfriend becomes the only named suspect might be considered obstruction. Or denying events that witnesses or electronic data can verify. But I'm not sure because IANAL.

MOO

 

[TxLady2]

Very true if she is lying to cover for him. I'm sure she wants to believe he's innocent. Supporting him (as twisted as that it) is not lying. Are you referring to a specific proven lie that she made in order to cover up for Shawn? IMO that's the only way it would be considered obstruction of justice. If she intensionally lied to cover up for SA.I don't think choosing to believe him and supporting theories that prove him innocent is a crime. Even know it bothers me deeply. I still don't think BD had anything to do with Hailey's disappearance but supporting SA while he is still a suspect in her daughter's disappearance is hard to take.

Exactly!! She can't be prosecuted for believing he is innocent and being in love with him. I don't approve of it either, but I can't control someone else's mind or heart. Only she can do that.
LE is going to charge Shawn eventually, with or without her help or approval. Unless she has deliberately hidden evidence, or created an alibi for him that didn't exist, she can't be prosecuted for obstruction.
Billie can't testify to what Shawn did on Monday or Tuesday, because she was at work, and I'm sure they verified that in the beginning. All she can do is tell them what he told her. How would that equate to her lying FOR him?

 

[SuziQ]

I do have Adobe and it upgrades frequently. Still won't play. But thanks.

That's what I thought about my Adobe. For some reason I began having problems viewing videos last week. Eventually one website gave me a message saying I needed the newest version of Flash to play their video. I dowloaded it and problem fixed.

 

[Velouria]

I agree! It's been two or three weeks since LE said they were unable to verify these eyewitness reports, so they've had time to do that by now. I think perhaps they have ascertained that the day Hailey disappeared, Billie was at work.
Being ruled out as a POI, pretty much clears someone as a suspect. I guess one could spin it any way they like, but it is what it is.

Unless you're not a POI because you ARE a suspect and LE just hasn't told you yet.

 

[tehcloser]

What I can't figure, is if she is so "cleared", why is the arrangement with DD still in effect? Why is CPS still involved? I don't buy that it's "normal" in missing kid cases. I can't remember any other cases where they moved the other kids out and the parent was not a suspect. She tries to play it off like it's nothing....by saying she "agreed", but if she hadn't? They would have taken him.

 

[SurfieTX]

What I can't figure, is if she is so "cleared", why is the arrangement with DD still in effect? Why is CPS still involved? I don't buy that it's "normal" in missing kid cases. I can't remember any other cases where they moved the other kids out and the parent was not a suspect. She tries to play it off like it's nothing....by saying she "agreed", but if she hadn't? They would have taken him.

I agree. Quick question though. Is the brother who took the polygraphs the same brother who gave the couches to her and the same brother who has DD?

 

[tehcloser]

Surfie, the best I can tell no. The couches and DD - the other brother (RO). The failed/passed poly, is DO, and he is staying with her. Both bro's have been named in MSM.

 

[Soulmagent]

What I can't figure, is if she is so "cleared", why is the arrangement with DD still in effect? Why is CPS still involved? I don't buy that it's "normal" in missing kid cases. I can't remember any other cases where they moved the other kids out and the parent was not a suspect. She tries to play it off like it's nothing....by saying she "agreed", but if she hadn't? They would have taken him.

I would like to know how and why they cleared her to but as far as other children being in her home I dont know if that had to do with the uncovering of drug use or drugs in the home or with DD maybe not wanting to be there himself.
So far I have not seen anything that said CPS should remove him she may just be avoiding the system. He is in no danger ,case closed type of thing?

I would not want my children staying at the address that has been reported in every paper in the state. I would not want to leave in case Hailey came home. IMO . I could be wrong. SA being a suspect it wouldnt matter where DD was living because SA would still know where the uncle lives but in a stranger abduction it would be vital to me to want to protect the other children.

Another thing I thought of was him being a witness and them not wanting him subjected to case discussions.

 

[yllek]

I agree. Quick question though. Is the brother who took the polygraphs the same brother who gave the couches to her and the same brother who has DD?

I believe Billie has 3 brothers. I don't think it's been confirmed as to which brother was approved by CPS to be DD's temporary legal guardian. I am very curious though. Has to be someone living in Snyder as Clint said he's in Snyder and DD is very nearby to him.

 

[yllek]

What I can't figure, is if she is so "cleared", why is the arrangement with DD still in effect? Why is CPS still involved? I don't buy that it's "normal" in missing kid cases. I can't remember any other cases where they moved the other kids out and the parent was not a suspect. She tries to play it off like it's nothing....by saying she "agreed", but if she hadn't? They would have taken him.

In my opinion, the removal of DD from Billie's custody is not formally related to Hailey's disappearance. The investigation into the disappearance brought some disturbing details to the surface that spurred the CPS investigation. DD was then removed from the home with Billie's brother approved as his legal guardian... JMO.

 

[impatientredhead]

I think LE knows alot more about what was going on in that house than they can document at the moment and DD was removed partially because of that, and his continued status of being removed is established everytime BD talks to SA, sees him if she is seeing him, or gives interviews about how they are still a couple.

 

[TXHOPE]

Unless you're not a POI because you ARE a suspect and LE just hasn't told you yet.

I respect everyone's opinion and I know that my opinion is not the popular one with this case but when has "ruled out" ever equaled suspect? They have ruled her out. I'm not saying she's perfect but I take that as they have ruled her out in being involved in the disappearance of her daughter. JMO

 

[Velouria]

I respect everyone's opinion and I know that my opinion is not the popular one with this case but when has "ruled out" ever equaled suspect? They have ruled her out. I'm not saying she's perfect but I take that as they have ruled her out in being involved in the disappearance of her daughter. JMO

Respectfully TXHOPE, it depends upon which article you read as to the wording. I think we all agree that she is not a POI. IMO

Some of the same articles have quoted Kampfer as saying that they are not disclosing the names of any POI's in order to avoid those persons fleeing or tampering with evidence.

Kampfer said that police are aware of the witnesses' accounts but that law enforcement has not been able to corroborate them. Regarding the naming of other people of interest, Kampfer said officials are following several leads, including two leads involving people. But, Kampfer said, identifying the other people whom investigators are looking into might result in those people fleeing or tampering with evidence. He said fear of potential retribution against the family by those named is a concern, as is the possibility someone might do something to harm Hailey or destroy evidence if they knew police were focusing on them.
When naming Adkins as a suspect, Kampfer said, law enforcement was aware of the potential risks. Sometimes, he added, watching how someone responds psychologically to being named a suspect can be very telling, and potentially could lead investigators to new evidence.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/

 

[Quiche]

I think BD is treading on thin ice-- one wrong move and she's a named suspect. jmo

 

[BeanE]

Just noting for reference that neither of the two articles had a quote from LE.

We don't know in the KTAB article if the "ruled out" phrase was the reporter's or LE's.

The KTXS article simply said that LE had said she wasn't a POI.

 

[tehcloser]

Respectfully TXHOPE, it depends upon which article you read as to the wording. I think we all agree that she is not a POI. IMO

Some of the same articles have quoted Kampfer as saying that they are not disclosing the names of any POI's in order to avoid those persons fleeing or tampering with evidence.


http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/

BBM

I don't agree with that. :floorlaugh: I think she very much is and LE is playing games.

 

[Velouria]

BBM

I don't agree with that. :floorlaugh: I think she very much is and LE is playing games.

You know what, teh?

I'm thinkin' that it may just possible to be a POI for "accessory after the fact" and "obstruction of justice" and NOT to be a POI in causing Hailey's disappearance.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I remember Kampfer's statement about BD not being a POI was the same day as BD's presser, 1-31-11.

Below is snipped from BigCountry HomePage:

Billie Dunn Breaks Down Timeline of Hailey's Disappearance
Reported by: Jessica Reyes
Monday, January 31 2011

Colorado City Manager Pete Kampfer confirmed Monday Billie Dunn has been ruled out as a person of interest in her daughter's disappearance.

Billie held a media press conference outside her home in Colorado City Monday where she read a timeline of events ...

Kampfer said he will not comment on persons of interest other than Shawn Adkins as not to jeopardize the investigation.

"We don't want to tip our hats to anything," he said. ...

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=336996
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I find it hard to believe that BD is NOT a POI, considering her continuous contact and support of SA, and in particular, after last night's show on BTH where Billie stated that "yes", she is "in love" with SA. (gag)

In My Opinion, Kampfer does not say she is "cleared" ... but --could she be a "suspect" ... he only said not a POI. And we all know <modsnip>is a "suspect."

I know many believe that POI and Suspect are the same thing ... personally, I think there is a "slight difference".

I looked it up on Definitions.USLegal:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/person-of-interest/

Persons of Interest: Unlike "suspect" and "material witness," "person of interest" has no legal definition, but generally refers to someone law enforcement authorities would like to speak with or investigate further in connection with a crime. It may be used, rather than calling the person a suspect, when they don't want their prime suspect to know they're watching him closely. Critics complain that the term has become a method for law enforcement officers to draw attention to individuals without formally accusing them.


http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/suspect/

Suspect: In criminal law, a suspect is someone who is under suspicion, often formally announced as being under investigation by law enforcement officials. Probable cause for an arrest exists when the facts and circumstances within the arresting officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe that a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.

Once a person is determined to be a prime suspect (the person believed most likely to have committed the crime), the police must be careful to give the "Miranda warnings," or or else any statements or admissions by the suspect may be excluded from evidence in trial. Once a suspect under arrest tell a law enforcement officer that he wants an attorney, all interrogation must cease, subject to certain exceptions.

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[curiousc]

If she is not a POI or a suspect, I'd be shocked.

Honestly though, PK jumped on the gun and announced to the media that SA was a suspect. I don't think LE wanted that out.

In other cases, LE doesn't even announce it anymore. Terri Horman, for instance, was never declared a POI or suspect, but we know who LE is suspicious of.

Perhaps BD is not a POI but is a suspect. A case of "ruling" her out as a POI right?

I don't think they want to publically name her as either as she keeps putting herself in the media and putting her foot in her mouth.