musings on Hailey- have any?

[Hatch]

Furniture tossed, walls repainted, occupants left in a potential crime scene, lies, Parents moves 300 miles away? Why? to all the above, and WHY WHY WHY !!! Were these things allowed to happen in the first place. !!! Who was calling these shots? and why? Perhaps BD knew a few folks from her dancing days ! I wont tell if you dont tell !!! Just tossing you something ! Showtime....

 

[sreshowtime]

yes...why indeed. shimmy shake- thanks hatch

 

[ljczec]

Furniture tossed, walls repainted, occupants left in a potential crime scene, lies, Parents moves 300 miles away? Why? to all the above, and WHY WHY WHY !!! Were these things allowed to happen in the first place. !!! Who was calling these shots? and why? Perhaps BD knew a few folks from her dancing days ! I wont tell if you dont tell !!! Just tossing you something ! Showtime....

BBM. This bothers me too. The couch being removed and the walls repainted, Hailey's decorated room redone. It was too soon after she went missing for me to consider that normal behavior. If it had been done now, more than a year after Hailey has been missing, maybe I would find it less strange, but the timeline is weird.

Question to someone more schooled in forensics than me-if biological evidence such as blood or other body fluids, is painted over, is there any way to recover that evidence? I know Luminol can sometimes still be used if blood has been cleaned away, but under a coat or 2 of paint? Probably hopeless....

What other kind of evidence could have been found in that couch? The possibilities are endless.

 

[lonetraveler]

I thought about Hailey immediately after I read the article on the missing teen being found but baby missing that she was carrying. I have often thought that a situation similar to this one could be why Hailey is missing. I still think so.

 

[sreshowtime]

yeah the 'redecorating' the house at that point in time was just weird ...I mean really, like why?

From what I understand HRD dogs were taken in the home and there was no alert made.

There is just no telling what really happened with all the presumed prevaricating that went/is going on...but she IS somewhere

 

[sreshowtime]

I wish all the guests that read on the Hailey threads would join and post their thoughts and /or ideas on where Hailey could be....just saying.

 

[nannymo]

Here are my thoughts for what it's worth.

SA knows where Hailey is. Why do I think that. Too much odd stuff going on to be coincidence. Plain and simple. Does Billie know too? That I am not sure about. Sometimes I think yes and as a mother I think how could she stay with him knowing what he did? I lean toward her just being so tied to SA she believes everything he tells her, but just not sure there.

I think he has hidden Hailey on private property he is familiar with. Property associated with his work or childhood. Nothing really to base this on but common sense. He had 2 days to hide her. I think she is in the Big Spring area myself. He spent too much time over there on the "computer" looking for a job those 2 days....kwim. Wish I knew....

 

[sreshowtime]

I know nannymo....just too much coincidence...yet I confess I still have a wee bit of doubt, considering all the carp that appears to have surrounded Hailey's life....that's the thing, can't seem to rustle anyone with any real knowledge of SA's ole 'stomping grounds' so to speak...
thanks all, I continue to pore over the map

 

[Tugela]

He had 2 days to hide her.

No, he had about 5 minutes.

 

[sreshowtime]

Tugela- 5 minutes? pray tell how you arrived at that figure please- my latest thinking is possibly an hour

 

[sreshowtime]

hey all you guests...where's Hailey? Got any ideas?? join why don't ya

 

[Tugela]

Tugela- 5 minutes? pray tell how you arrived at that figure please- my latest thinking is possibly an hour

Well, at 2.40PM he was still in Big Spring. Assuming he was still at his mothers house when he made the call, it would have taken at least half an hour to reach CC at the speed limit, plus a bit extra for urban travel. He would also have had to get into his vehicle and get out of it at CC, then enter the house. So, if there was some sort of confrontation there it would have happened at around 3:20-3:25 at the earliest.

Then you would have to allow for a confrontation (probably not going to happen without some sort of run up), a homicide, collecting the body, disposing of it, and cleaning up so completely that there was no trace of anything, then sit back with a beer and watch TV. All of that would have had to happen before DD arrived at 4PM. Remember, DD was running around the house for at least 5 minutes before entering as well.

That does not leave a whole lot of time for SA to have done anything. He would literally have had 5 minutes or less to hide the body so well that no one could find it. That does not seem realistic. We are talking at most 40 minutes for everything, and probably a lot less. If he did something to HD, he literally would have had to hide the body in the house, and since someone was allways there from that point on, he could not have gotten rid of it later.

 

[sreshowtime]

Tugela- what was he doing in the app.2.5 hours that his phone was not pinging ( break in service, whatever) Monday morning?( after he supposedly 'quit' work)
What was happening in the late hours of that last Sunday night ( when rumor has it there was some, ah, arguing going on that evening), or very early Monday morning before leaving for work?
What was happening Monday after the trip to the ATM?
What was happening Tuesday , before he headed back to Ccty?

too many dad blamed questions

God, where is she?

 

[Tugela]

The phone pings they talk about in the affidavit are actually times for texts/phone calls, not pings. Presumably the ping data had been overwritten by the time LE went looking, so they only had call routing data available. There was no break in service, he simply didn't make any calls in that period (between the time he has in the vicinity of CC and when he was in BS), so they cant be sure if he was in one place or the other.

It doesn't really matter though, since there were multiple sightings of HD that day, when SA was clearly in Big Spring. Also, there was the text sent from the house cell phone to MB. Whoever sent it could not have been either SA or BD since they were in other towns at the time. It would have to have been someone who knew HD and knew that she was friends with MB, which limits it to HD, DD or CD, with HD being the most likely person. So, whatever SA did or didn't do the previous night or most of that day is irrelevant to the case. The time frame that needs to be examined would be from the period SA returned home and after that.

As I said, the time available for him to actually do anything is very small, so, the most likely scenario involves him arriving home unexpectely and HD taking off soon after that as a result. IMO HD had something that she was not supposed to be doing planned with local kids (or maybe someone else) that day at the house (which could be the meaning of the message she sent to MB), but when SA suddenly arrived home she had to take off at short notice to intercept them before they got to her place. That is why she gave the fake excuse for where she was going and why she left very soon after SA got there with little preparation. She didn't have time to get her stuff together, or choose clothes or anything like that, she had to act right away. Where ever she went after leaving home, I think something happened to her, possibly unanticipated, such as an accident, and it is being covered up.

I think there is also good reason to believe that she did in fact go to her fathers house sometime that day, allthought that probably has nothing to do with what happened to her either.

Whatever happened to her most likely happened that evening or that night. But unfortunately the clues for that period are completely lacking.

 

[sreshowtime]

Hmm, thanks Tugela. Very possibly true about that afternoon. I am not 100% sold on SA being THE one. And believe you me, a scenario such as you suggest has certainly been entertained by myself (and others). I personally can see a situation, that was anticipated by Hailey as 'fun', quickly going south for whatever reason. That being said, would the person(s) involved have utilized adult help in taking care of the incident? Or some how taken care of the result alone? Is there a code of silence ?
Often, what I perceive to be silence in this whole thing, all the way to the top, just screams cover up to me for some reason. Who knows who, what who knows...
sounds like fiction huh, but you know what they say.

more thinking, more map staring...Hailey kiddo, gonna find ya one day

 

[sreshowtime]

Okay- assume that SA was honed in on at risk of ignoring other possible scenarios. If one has followed the case, here and.... it IS possible, imho, kwim and all that jazz. Yeah, I know ole SA ain't quite right...who is.
Going on the theory that Hailey may have unknowingly put herself in a situation...that had a dire consequence, where could one deduce that she is?
A random spot, chosen on a hasty whim?
A property or location known to the perp(s) by association or relation?
Hastily thrown in a dumpster some where, not serviced by the landfills believed to be searched?
One of the caliche pits, commonly used by citizens?
Someplace within Ccty, that was inadvertently overlooked in haste by well meaning, yet maybe mis-prepared searchers? ( no offense- bless'em all)
Are one or more possible perps being disregarded because of association or relation?
IMHO there is absolutely too much dysfuntion surrounding this...and I would love to be a fly on the wall somewhere and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything has been researched and checked out to the inth degree.

End of my rant- bad mood today...y'all are probably sick of my posting

 

[sreshowtime]

BUT- why did BD first say she didn't know SA 'quit' work and then later talked about washing coveralls for him to turn in, but sounds like they never were.
Things that make ya go hmm.

 

[For The Kids]

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It doesn't really matter though, since there were multiple sightings of HD that day, when SA was clearly in Big Spring. Also, there was the text sent from the house cell phone to MB. Whoever sent it could not have been either SA or BD since they were in other towns at the time. It would have to have been someone who knew HD and knew that she was friends with MB, which limits it to HD, DD or CD, with HD being the most likely person. So, whatever SA did or didn't do the previous night or most of that day is irrelevant to the case. The time frame that needs to be examined would be from the period SA returned home and after that.

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In fact there hasnt been a single CONFIRMED sighting of Hailey on that day. Yes people ALLEGEDLY saw her but in the scheme of things that means nothing. Someone i know years ago went missing and many many people who knew him very well claimed they had seen him after his disappearance. Months later he was found in the river just yards where he was last seen...so go and figure. Also there seems to be some dispute whether Hailey and MB were really even that friendly with each other.

 

[Knox]

Here are my thoughts for what it's worth.

SA knows where Hailey is. Why do I think that. Too much odd stuff going on to be coincidence. Plain and simple. Does Billie know too? That I am not sure about. Sometimes I think yes and as a mother I think how could she stay with him knowing what he did? I lean toward her just being so tied to SA she believes everything he tells her, but just not sure there.

I think he has hidden Hailey on private property he is familiar with. Property associated with his work or childhood. Nothing really to base this on but common sense. He had 2 days to hide her. I think she is in the Big Spring area myself. He spent too much time over there on the "computer" looking for a job those 2 days....kwim. Wish I knew....

Agree with you on whether or not BD knows, I flip flop on that too. But after seeing her in action over the past year and a half, I think even if she had some sort of suspicions, she would never admit it. Billie was hyper sensitive to the public's perception of her and her mothering abilities. Her actions might not seem to indicate that, but she was. She lied/omitted key details and poor me'd her way out of any responsibility for Hailey's disappearance and has seemingly moved on with her life.

One thing I am convinced of; Hailey is not alive somewhere today, and Shawn Adkins knows where her body is. Not sure if her death was accidental or intentional, but he knows. Will we ever find sweet Hailey and the truth of what happened to her? Only the good Lord knows ...

 

[Tugela]

In fact there hasnt been a single CONFIRMED sighting of Hailey on that day. Yes people ALLEGEDLY saw her but in the scheme of things that means nothing. Someone i know years ago went missing and many many people who knew him very well claimed they had seen him after his disappearance. Months later he was found in the river just yards where he was last seen...so go and figure. Also there seems to be some dispute whether Hailey and MB were really even that friendly with each other.

Confirmed or not, they are still sightings unless shown otherwise. You can't discount them simply because they don't agree with whatever your theory was. As far as I know, no one has recanted. Also, they are tied to particular times and events and are reports by people who knew who she was. While they might not remember the details, the fact that they are associated with specific things makes them likely to at least got the part about seeing her right. LE has only said that they could not be corroborated electronically, whatever that means. They did not disprove them. What they could not do was independently verify whatever the person saw, which is the case for allmost all eye witness testimony anyway. Your friend having been "seen" is completely irrelevant to this case, it proves nothing.

Not to mention, the text send from the home phone does in fact corroborate one of the sightings, since it corresponded to the approximate time. In any case, there are a limited number of people who could have sent the text. It obviously wasn't BD or SA, so who do you propose it was if not HD? As far as MB and HD not being that friendly, keep in mind that the statement that the mother gave shortly after that gave no indication that that was the case. If they were not friends at the time she would have said so, and she didn't. Instead she distanced her daughter from the Dunn house and denied communication. It doesn't matter what spin is placed on the relationship later, the statements made earliest would be the most accurate.