HOW does the State Prove it was not George?

[ZsaZsa]

Read ALL my posts. We're imagining what the DT is going to say when they present their part of the case.
It's very clear that most peeps don't want to hear their case. This is the United States.

Maybe we all have Anthony fatigue.
Or Baez fatigue.
Or both.
I don't want to hear their case either, they surpassed my tolerance for malicious BS a long time ago...

 

[gxm]

Read ALL my posts. We're imagining what the DT is going to say when they present their part of the case.
It's very clear that most peeps don't want to hear their case. This is the United States.

I disagree. I think we're all on the edge of our seats waiting to see what they try to cobble together. I sure am! It should be, um, very interesting.

IMO, they are winging it. And I haven't seen any legalistic brilliance from the DT so I'm expecting a train wreck. But who knows, we might be surprised.

 

[katydid23]

I can't say what the defense is going to come up with but I'm very interested to hear.

George isn't accused of murdering Caylee. He is accused of being the one that disposed of Caylee after an accidental drowning.

I LKB is a <censored>. I don't pay her any attention.

Not so far. But I predict he will be accused of something close to that. At the very least he will be accused of framing Casey for the death of the child.

They will say he used the duct tape and he put her in the trunk of CASEY'S car, and never told her. And he placed her in Casey's childhood play area.

IMO THEY ARE ACCUSING HIM OF FRAMING HIS DAUGHTER.

 

[LancelotLink]

TRUE. But Jose fancies himself a hispanic Evil Kneivel. I think they are going to make a huge leap. Casey will GO FOR IT. Her dad abused her and then went after Caylee. She threatened to turn him in, and he drowned the child, called casey outside and said,' SEE what happens when you defy me!'

So she ran and tried to live in denial because she was so fragile. And she will describe in excrutiating detail her childhood abuse memories.

He does at that. I think she will testify. She has to. And their story? My Aunt Fanny.:floorlaugh:

 

[tlcya]

last time I checked, state doesn't have to prove George didn't do it. They are charged with proving ICA did it beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think they have to say a word about George.

 

[LancelotLink]

I disagree. I think we're all on the edge of our seats waiting to see what they try to cobble together. I sure am! It should be, um, very interesting.

IMO, they are winging it. And I haven't seen any legalistic brilliance from the DT so I'm expecting a train wreck. But who knows, we might be surprised.

I was just watching an old video of JB talking about the grand jury, before she was indicted, saying Caylee is a missing child.
They have trotted out so many different stories, that should be the SA closing. A bigger, better lie, complete with JB parroting these silly scenarios. Ending of course with this last whopper!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnck-GixltU"]YouTube - &#x202a;Jose Baez Pre-Indictment Remarkss - Casey Anthony's Short Court Appearance - Baez Spokesperson Todd Black Says Caylee Dead - Baez & George Respond to Comment - Caylee Marie Anthony&#x202c;&rlm;[/ame]

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yup, that is what they said in their OS. HOWEVER, there are clues that they are now going with a more aggressive case against George. They have consultants, like LKB and Janie W. who are out on the media tour. And these 'consultants' are floating the theory that George was framing Casey. They imply that he put the duct tape on her little face,l then kept it in the home on purpose, even used it on camera from news station filming him. They imply that he changed her clothes, putting the wrong size shorts on, before putting her in the trunk to frame Casey. They have to go with the 'framing' scenario because no one would believe an ex cop would do all of those stupid things unless it was a frame up.

They cannot go with the old accident story because everyone laughed in their faces.

If they had realized the reception this latest stupid story would get from anyone with two neurons to think with, and if they had time to create another story that is the "real truth" they would do it.
I think JB has to realize he sounds absolutely ridiculous by now, right? He watches the NG Entertainment show, so he ought to have heard the comments...from any number of experienced Attys who have called his theory laughable.

 

[gxm]

Thanks for the lively and civil discussion everyone, but I'm calling it an early night. Goodnight all!

 

[chefmom]

I do not think the state has to prove that GA didn't do it. Why would they? IMO, if the DT wants to portray GA as a child molestor, they better have another female family member who can take the stand and tell what GA did to her as well. As someone who has lived with having a family member "mess" with me, I can promise you that if I needed some corroboration about the abuse, I have several other female family members that were also subjected to this person and would jump at the chance to stand up for me and tell what this "person" had done to them as well. If GA was a sexual abuser, there would, more likely than not, be another family member who could say that he had molested her too. A sister, a niece, a cousin, someone. Unless JB puts someone else up there to corroborate the abuse, I say poppycock. I hope it backfires on them bigtime! They have earned it!

 

[ZsaZsa]

I was just watching an old video of JB talking about the grand jury, before she was indicted, saying Caylee is a missing child.
They have trotted out so many different stories, that should be the SA closing. A bigger, better lie, complete with JB parroting these silly scenarios. Ending of course with this last whopper!
YouTube - &#x202a;Jose Baez Pre-Indictment Remarkss - Casey Anthony's Short Court Appearance - Baez Spokesperson Todd Black Says Caylee Dead - Baez & George Respond to Comment - Caylee Marie Anthony&#x202c;&rlm;

Good post! The SA should point out that until 6 weeks ago she was still sticking with Zanny until the DT failed in all their attempts to keep the evidence that proved she didn't exist out...

 

[Tuffy]

I love you! :floorlaugh:

Aaaw shucks, LancelotLink.

 

[katydid23]

last time I checked, state doesn't have to prove George didn't do it. They are charged with proving ICA did it beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think they have to say a word about George.

Theoretically you are right. But when the DT start bringing in witnesses who are testifying solely about George, and how angry and prone to violence he is and about his having the duct tape last and having the car keys and getting a call to go get the car from Amscott before it is towed and writing a letter in which he never denies the abuse, but only asks why she told, THEN they will have to discuss him. They do have to cross examine these people or it will look bad, imo;/ The DT IS PUTTING HIM ON TRIAL STARTING TOMORROW.

 

[LancelotLink]

If they had realized the reception this latest stupid story would get from anyone with two neurons to think with, and if they had time to create another story that is the "real truth" they would do it.
I think JB has to realize he sounds absolutely ridiculous by now, right? He watches the NG Entertainment show, so he ought to have heard the comments...from any number of experienced Attys who have called his theory laughable.

I was spewing coffee all over the screen when I heard this OS. Honestly, I was expecting fireworks, because JB promised something spectacular. He promised he would answer all the questions. What I got sounded like something they cobbled together in the elevator on the way up to 23.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for the lively and civil discussion everyone, but I'm calling it an early night. Goodnight all!

Night. And by the way, I hope you know I do not BELIEVE george had anything to do with this. I am just preparing us all for what is to come, imo.

 

[SindyBill]

I do not think they have proven it was in her possession totally. I think the DT will have some startling evidence which may make the jury wonder.

This DT isn't capable of "startling". And evidence has to be PROVEN, not just said in court. MOO.

 

[LancelotLink]

Theoretically you are right. But when the DT start bringing in witnesses who are testifying solely about George, and how angry and prone to violence he is and about his having the duct tape last and having the car keys and getting a call to go get the car from Amscott before it is towed and writing a letter in which he never denies the abuse, but only asks why she told, THEN they will have to discuss him. They do have to cross examine these people or it will look bad, imo;/ The DT IS PUTTING HIM ON TRIAL STARTING TOMORROW.

Yep. "Casey was a wonderful mother and George was a louse."
But the jury is not going to forget how in one breath the DT said follow the duct tape and then tried to disprove the duct tape was placed on Caylee's face. What? Did it float down from Hopespring and magically appear around Cayee's skull? They tried to debunk every thing they should have been throwing at George. Surely the jury picked up on this.

 

[SindyBill]

But even without the abuse claims, there may be some damning evidence which makes George seem possibly guilty of disposing of the body.

George shows emotion and true absolute sadness over what's happened to his daughter and especially his granddaughter. George got a memorial tattoo, not a celebration tattoo. George took care of Caylee more than Casey did. George has character witnesses. He may have had anger problems, but that doesn't mean he isn't good to his granddaughter. My father had a temper, but absolutely dotes on his grandchildren. Men are wired that way sometimes. There's a difference between a temper and evil.

 

[Kat]

Not so far. But I predict he will be accused of something close to that. At the very least he will be accused of framing Casey for the death of the child.

They will say he used the duct tape and he put her in the trunk of CASEY'S car, and never told her. And he placed her in Casey's childhood play area.

IMO THEY ARE ACCUSING HIM OF FRAMING HIS DAUGHTER.

With this defense who knows what they will do, I agree. That's why I'm eager to hear what they have to say.

(that's why I didn't vote on the guily/not guilty thread because I haven't heard the defense so I can't vote honestly because if I want to vote as a juror would not as me which would be an automatic guilty)

Good questions. I just don't know where they will take this though. Given the outrageous accusations in the opening statement I'm not sure I am going to be able to sit and listen to the defense.

 

[Tuffy]

This DT isn't capable of "startling". And evidence has to be PROVEN, not just said in court. MOO.

Not only that, but any evidence Jose plans to present in court would have already been shared with the state. No one is going to be startled by it.

 

[SindyBill]

George had control of the duct tape.

He had keys to the Pontiac.

He had access to all of the burial items.

He knew about the burial site.

He attempted suicide.

He did not call LE when he left the tow yard.

He had no response when he first 'learned' about Caylee being missing.

He went secretly to LE and gave incriminating evidence about Casey.

Casey has all the symptoms of abuse survivor.

George lied and cheated on his wife.

George lied about having a job for awhile.

George had a bad gambling addiction and liked to look at escort sites.

George had a very volatile temper.

Casey doesn't have symptoms that aren't FEIGNED. George hasn't done anything a lot of men haven't done either. George has no motive for killing a 2 year old, PLEASE. KC and KC alone did. This is just ludicrous. Poor George, no wonder he attempted suicide. He lost his granddaughter and daughter in one fell swoop and now he has to deal with this kind of asinine speculation because of his daughter's failure to accept what she has done and deflect.

EDIT: this may have sound harsh -not meant to be directed towards the OP but just the speculation caused by the DT in general.