How much does Jeremy know?

[In da Middle]

Actually, ONE person said DB and SB are seen in their front yards all the time. I find that hard to believe NOW because SB moved out a while ago. She's divorcing JB and it's doubtful she hangs out there. JMO.

No. You will find any reporter around has also found this out from ALL of the neighbors. JS even mentioned it. That is exactly how most of the neighborhood knows of them. They were outside smoking and letting the kids play outside more than not - sitting right on the front porch just like that evening. Period. It doesn't really matter if you "believe" it or not.
And BTW, she DOES still hang out over there. Not everyday, but often still. If I drive by when the kids are getting out of school, I see her there more than I dont at that time.

 

[In da Middle]

The only reason that I can see that the parents would be supporting each other is if it happened as an accident (like you say) and involved both of them. I also don't feel that there would be enough time for DB to set up a plan of disposal (unless she did it all herself) in the time between her going inside the house and the time Jeremy came home. I think that the fact that no one saw Lisa after the Sunday night party is a huge red flag that what happened to Lisa, happened much earlier. I know that there are many who can't believe that, but there is just something about her not being seen that makes this hinky to me.

Why is it being stated that NOBODY say her since Sunday? SB and her daughter have been stated as seeing her. I am sure the boys did and stated that in their interviews that very morning or LE surely would have been asking the public (at least the neighbors in the very least) for more info as to the last time she was seen. They did not ask such a question. Just because people have not mentioned things to the media, does not mean that it didn't happen. Just like the dna being taken. The media only has stated of two people that have had it taken. This are not, by far, the only people that have had it taken for this case.

 

[In da Middle]

I think BS reported that SB saw her too, but, if she did, you KNOW that she would be touting it to everyone who would listen. No one saw Lisa all day Monday, because if they did, we would have known about it early on. And, this takes care of the problem of the timeline and why JI could have been on camera (which I still don't believe) all night and could still have disposed of little Lisa.

BBM Again, this is assumption because SB has not said ANYTHING to the public. She has been interviewed by LE though (part of which is caught on camera for those needing proof).

 

[In da Middle]

It is certainly curious what topics the defense will touch on in public and what they leave. Especially since they are up on the internet discussion and have addressed a few of those things (i.e. change in timeline, the wonky stories about the lights) yet left others, ones that could paint DB and JI more favorably.

As for a body disposal, if you look at the map Just K posted here, Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Maps related to case and search areas and drag it to the west a bit, you will find a few streets riddled with dumpsters. 15 by my shaky count. About half of those fall within the 1/3 of a mile cell phone ping radius of the Irwin home. It would be a short, short, short car ride to hit a good majority of those dumpsters and dispose of a packaged, tiny body. It wouldn't be that far of a walk to hit them either, especially if you cut through yards.

If you are talking about the dumpsters in the townhouses, those were all dumped on that Tuesday morning and LE went through them at the dump on Tuesday. LE also went intercepted the trash that was collected in the area during the regular Friday pickup at the dump. This is the one the media caught on tape and when they asked LE they found out this was the 3rd dump search so far at that time. (Again proving that just because it wasn't caught by the media does not mean it didn't happen. The media wasn't aware until the 3rd search.)

 

[In da Middle]

:seeya:

1st BBM: You bring up a good point and I agree -- BUT -- since LE is NOT talking, :innocent: it would be nice to hear something "straight from the horse's mouth" -- KWIM ? :innocent:

2nd BBM: Maybe -- BUT -- JMO ... I wonder if SY made that comment because he did not want to give out any of LE's strategy ?

MOO ...

1st - witnesses NOT relaying things to the media have far more credibility to me. Look how people are disregarding ALL of the people that have stated things publicly as it is. 'Nuf said.

2nd - why are people just deciding what to believe of what LE says or not. Either you do or you don't. If one is going to decide that LE is lying on this point, why not everything or anything else? This kind of thing is exactly like people only choosing to believe parts of what DB says and not other parts depending on what they want to believe.

 

[Sparklin]

Thank you so much, Heidi, for your input here! I feel that it is a huge injustice for parents who have truly had their children abducted (like you), for these obviously guilty parents being supported. I can only imagine how much it hurts for you to see parents like this seemingly get away with it while you have searched for most of your life for Dirk. You are a perfect example of how a parent who loses a child through abduction acts.

I agree with you...poor POOR little Lisa.

bbm = I don't see it

 

[In da Middle]

There are a lot of similarities in the cases. Both the dad's had alibis from night time jobs. And the girlfriends were home with the kids when the daughter goes missing.

But there were a lot of people coming in and out of Haleigh's trailer that night that were very shady people. And a lot of hardcore drug users around the Cummings case. I don't think they have made the drug connection as strongly in the Bradley household.

What drug connection at ALL has been made is the Bradley/Irwin household? I have seen absolutely no drug connection what so ever being stated - factually stated, that is. I have only seen people "assuming" there is a drug connection.

 

[In da Middle]

NOW, may I address the other issue? Why weren't these two boys taken away from their parents? Are they being protected, one would think they would be since their sister was "abducted."

I do not understand this case at all. If, in fact, LE believes the parent/s are responsible for a missing Baby Lisa, what the he// are those two little boys still there?

Well, maybe LE doesn't see any proof that the parents are responsible. That would explain why the boys are both there, even after a so-called "emergency" hearing that seemingly went nowhere.

 

[Melon]

If you are talking about the dumpsters in the townhouses, those were all dumped on that Tuesday morning and LE went through them at the dump on Tuesday. LE also went intercepted the trash that was collected in the area during the regular Friday pickup at the dump. This is the one the media caught on tape and when they asked LE they found out this was the 3rd dump search so far at that time. (Again proving that just because it wasn't caught by the media does not mean it didn't happen. The media wasn't aware until the 3rd search.)

Could you please clarify if all 15 +/- of those dumpsters were all emptied on the same day and if all of the trash from those 15+/- dumpsters was searched? My impression from the news was the truck with the trash from the burned dumpster and the contents of the burned dumpster was searched and that there were a few searches at the landfill. Also, do you know how many trucks it takes for the contents those 15 +/- dumpsters to be carted to the dump.

 

[hambirg]

What drug connection at ALL has been made is the Bradley/Irwin household? I have seen absolutely no drug connection what so ever being stated - factually stated, that is. I have only seen people "assuming" there is a drug connection.

Alcohol is a drug. DB claims to have been under the influence the night BL disappeared.

 

[In da Middle]

Could you please clarify if all 15 +/- of those dumpsters were all emptied on the same day and if all of the trash from those 15+/- dumpsters was searched? My impression from the news was the truck with the trash from the burned dumpster and the contents of the burned dumpster was searched and that there were a few searches at the landfill. Also, do you know how many trucks it takes for the contents those 15 +/- dumpsters to be carted to the dump.

The only part I can clarify is that I have been told by townhouse maintenance crews ( I know almost of them personally - most of them have worked there for over 20 years!) that the dumpsters were emptied that Tuesday. I am assuming they meant all of them. LE took the trash from the burnt dumpster separately from my understanding. I might be able to clarify this at a later date if I see any of the guys out and about. No clue as to how many trucks it takes. Never thought about it before. I will add this to my questions to be asked! I do know that the huge dumpster by the office is dumped differently than the others, but I did ask about it and it was also dumped that day. It is one used for bulky items like when people move or get rid of bigger things so that those things don't fill up the regular garbage dumpsters. FYI as to a bit of townhouse dumpster trivia - the big dumpster and a couple of the dumpsters on the outer edged of the townhouses are under camera survellience because of outsiders dumping stuff in them. LE has pulled that footage also.

 

[Melon]

Alcohol is a drug. DB claims to have been under the influence the night BL disappeared.

Casenet is not working for me right now so I am going from memory and I am unable to verify the address. I do believe the one entry there for this DB was a traffic charge that had a very convoluted and confusing record with the end result of the traffic charge being drug or alcohol counselling or classes. You don't normally get assigned to such things for a routine traffic stop. I have always wondered if it was a DWI or some other more serious charge that was pled down to a traffic violation.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Casenet is not working for me right now so I am going from memory and I am unable to verify the address. I do believe the one entry there for this DB was a traffic charge that had a very convoluted and confusing record with the end result of the traffic charge being drug or alcohol counselling or classes. You don't normally get assigned to such things for a routine traffic stop. I have always wondered if it was a DWI or some other more serious charge that was pled down to a traffic violation.

I thought that was a different DB.

 

[4Jacy]

Considering the fact not everyone believes DB guilty of anything, I don't think it's a stretch to think that he believes her, considering he knows her better than anyone else here. If it was truly an accident as some have theorized, that's even more of a reason to believe her, since he may think (know) that DB truly loved her daughter and would never harm her or cover up an accident. She's been caring for his boy (and the other children) for some time before BL went missing (3 years?), I think he would know what kind of mother she is and if she is a danger to them. Spouses stand by their SO all the time, even when something is more obvious and proven than this case. Just because they are not married shouldn't mean anything.

If he's not involved.

BBM

I do believe, as I've said many times before, that this was an accident. I don't think an IDI, they sold her, or they murdered her. Everything (at least to me, points to an accident.) That being said DB did not do the right thing. She did not call 911. I believe she was scared to death, realized there was noting she could do to save Lisa, and concocted this story. She wanted to save her relationship with JI and still keep the boys.

I don't know if JI was told the truth initially or not. I don't know what he believed or suspected or any involvement by him then or now. This has nothing to do with them not being married, by the way.

I'm not sure if DB was indeed drunk or this was an excuse. I truly believed both parents loved Lisa. DB even stated something to the effect that Lisa brought their family together, and that she always wanted a girl so she could name it after her deceased mother.

One cannot make such a monumental mistake by not calling 911, and expect to have life to go on as usual. What if another accident happened? We are trained in life how to act in deseparate situations; it doesn't matter if we are a soldier in the field, or a mother in her own home.

 

[melissasmom]

I thought that was a different DB.

Yes, I believe this was discussed before, and the traffic charge was a different DB.

 

[Melon]

I thought that was a different DB.

There are a few Casenet entries for a different DB and one for this DB. Criminal for the wrong DB and traffic for the right one, IIRC.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There are a few Casenet entries for a different DB and one for this DB. Criminal for the wrong DB and traffic for the right one, IIRC.

From what I remember, you are incorrect about a possible DWI.

 

[cityslick]

BBM

I do believe, as I've said many times before, that this was an accident. I don't think an IDI, they sold her, or they murdered her. Everything (at least to me, points to an accident.) That being said DB did not do the right thing. She did not call 911. I believe she was scared to death, realized there was noting she could do to save Lisa, and concocted this story. She wanted to save her relationship with JI and still keep the boys.

I don't know if JI was told the truth initially or not. I don't know what he believed or suspected or any involvement by him then or now. This has nothing to do with them not being married, by the way.

I'm not sure if DB was indeed drunk or this was an excuse. I truly believed both parents loved Lisa. DB even stated something to the effect that Lisa brought their family together, and that she always wanted a girl so she could name it after her deceased mother.

One cannot make such a monumental mistake by not calling 911, and expect to have life to go on as usual. What if another accident happened? We are trained in life how to act in deseparate situations; it doesn't matter if we are a soldier in the field, or a mother in her own home.

I can't speak for DB, but I don't think JI is involved. I think he was told what happened by DB, continued to talk about it with DB as the days went on and firmly believes her. He's not the only one as it seems a majority of the family supports (and then I assume believe) DB.

Maybe he chooses not to believe the alternate. Maybe it is out of the realm of possibility in his mind that DB did anything to BL. I don't see why that's so hard to believe, we have many here that will not ever entertain the notion that DB is innocent, why can't someone have the reverse thinking? DB is not a stranger to him, she is the mother of his daughter. Sometimes people will not allow their mind to go there. I think calling the man weak and a coward is a little much, considering nobody knows him personally. This man may not be involved at all and may be as much a victim as any parent of a missing child, whether that child went missing at hands of an intruder or DB.

 

[Melon]

From what I remember, you are incorrect about a possible DWI.

Casenet is up now and I am not incorrect. DB of Lister Ave, DOB 1986. She pled guilty on 2/19/2009 to some charge and received "1 YEAR SIS PROBATION MWADP' which would most likely be either a DWI or DUI. I was incorrect about her pleading down the charge. I had muddled her entry for failure to register in with the other entry.

 

[redheadedgal]

MWAPT offers supervised probation - and many other programs - not just drugs/alcohol treatment... fwiw


http://midwestadp.net/Programs.html