How much does Jeremy know?

[Melon]

How is it relevant if they were taken before BL went missing? JI is guilty of being at a party with alcohol now? JI is guilty of enjoying himself at a party now? JI is guilty of drinking all that alcohol on the table despite the fact there are no pics of him drinking nor are there pics that depict how many are actually there, nor is there any context to any of the pics?

If the pictures were in his distant past, I would find them irrelevant. If the pictures stood by themselves without any public statements by the parents about drinking, black out like periods, and how alcohol doesn't change people, I would likely find them irrelevant. Given the parents attitudes towards alcohol in their own words and especially their denials of it having any bearing in regard to BL having disappeared into the ethers, I think these pictures are relevant and on the table for discussion.

 

[hambirg]

The pictures are from late Dec 2009. I think they show a part of JI's personality that we haven't seen before. He doesn't look to be an incredibly shy wallflower in those pics.

Just an FYI. . .the pic behind the bar somebody cleaned up (posted elsewhere) and you can see that he is actually wearing glasses in that one.

And Murdock. . .I'm going with #4

JI is either fully responsible or involved in what happened, but if caught, plans on throwing DB under the bus. He is devious and manipulative, and wants people to believe number 2.

 

[redheadedgal]

Just an FYI. . .the pic behind the bar somebody cleaned up (posted elsewhere) and you can see that he is actually wearing glasses in that one.

i thought i could see glasses! lol ... it's slightly blurry but if you look close enough you can see the outline of the right lens over his cheekbone and the arm over the left temple...

Where are the pics of the basement party. I've heard people speak of it but have never seem them.

PN fb account... but i think you have to have a fb account to see anything... there are only two pics of JI -- and both have been posted.

He shows absolutely NO emotion in this case.

there is one pic i recall where he looks genuinely distraught... or maybe it's disgust... if he knows something... ???

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aby-Lisa-Irwin-Mother-preparing-arrested.html

 

[norest4thewicked]

i thought i could see glasses! lol ... it's slightly blurry but if you look close enough you can see the outline of the right lens over his cheekbone and the arm over the left temple...




PN fb account... but i think you have to have a fb account to see anything... there are only two pics of JI -- and both have been posted.




there is one pic i recall where he looks genuinely distraught... or maybe it's disgust... if he knows something... ???

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aby-Lisa-Irwin-Mother-preparing-arrested.html

I think that a lot of his emotion in that pic has to do with the sun. It's shining right in his eyes.

 

[cityslick]

Clearly, for the love of Pete, let's hope he has a personality. From what I've observed on camera, he appears dead...and I keep expecting a cadaver dog to hit on him. So seeing him alert and smiling is a new side and will be explored by some. It is normal and it gives insight into him.

Currently, Jeremy has NO problem standing by a girlfriend that lost or possibly killed his daughter while she admits to being drunk enough to have passed out.

I call that either severe co-dependency or he also has issues w/alcohol because he doesn't see a problem with what DB did. I stand by my very first thought that both of these possibly have the same issue.

I wonder if it would have been different if she had lost his son? He shows absolutely NO emotion in this case.

How many times have you seen spouses stand by their SO when their SO has done something bad? Just because he may been angry at her for drinking doesn't mean he believes her responsible for her going missing.

What exactly do you expect of him? To cry? Tell me some won't perceive that as fake. To be angry? Tell me some won't perceive that as fake.

 

[cityslick]

If the pictures were in his distant past, I would find them irrelevant. If the pictures stood by themselves without any public statements by the parents about drinking, black out like periods, and how alcohol doesn't change people, I would likely find them irrelevant. Given the parents attitudes towards alcohol in their own words and especially their denials of it having any bearing in regard to BL having disappeared into the ethers, I think these pictures are relevant and on the table for discussion.

Late 2009 (almost 2 years before BL went missing, in fact before BL was even born). Is that not distant past?

What statements has JI made about drinking? Not DB, but JI?

 

[DIRK SCHILLER]

I do have 2 questions, sorry if asked before
like I said before I do think this case is too similar to HC´s case,both men during the night at work, moms alone with kids, both moms are alcoholic/do drugs
both dads came home late at night after work finding the children were gone
both men called 911 ?!?
children vanished ,both still missing
both parents acting odd

who was the last person (not from her family)who has seen that baby girl alive after JI left for work?

did the parents do some drugs tests? someone knows they are adicts to some drugs?

Heidi Stein, mom of missing Dirk Schiller

 

[Donjeta]

Late 2009 (almost 2 years before BL went missing, in fact before BL was even born). Is that not distant past?

What statements has JI made about drinking? Not DB, but JI?

Not much but there is this one:

MK: “What’s your reaction to hearing this back and forth about Deborah
drinking and being drunk and not, and blacking out, and not remembering every, everything that happened the night Lisa disappeared?”

JI: “Um, I don’t really have much of a reaction, I mean, regardless of what, how much she was drinking, or if she was drunk, or if she supposedly blacked out or whatever, it doesn’t change who you are and what you do.’

Not sure if you would consider the statements that she's a great mother (Imo they are about drinking in a roundabout way because she is a great mom even though she may have been so drunk while taking care of the kids she might have passed out and doesn't even remember if she saw Lisa in the evening).

JMO but two or three years ago is not such distant past that it's irrelevant when it comes to drinking. Most of the people I know who partied hard two or three years ago still do and most of the people I know who were sober in 2009 still are. Attitudes and drinking habits are pretty long term things.

That said, one photo doesn't say that much to me about someone's drinking.
You could probably find some photos of me in a party in which there were a lot of bottles and I didn't drink any of them.

But I am a little concerned about the indifference. If being drunk makes no difference in someone's parenting they must be pretty bad parents to begin with. But that's just MOO.

 

[cityslick]

I think what I'm getting at is there is this assumption that JI has 'indifference' with her drinking simply because he chooses to stand beside her and to me it's two different things, condoning the fact she was drinking while watching the kids and thinking DB is responsible for something happening to BL. That's why I asked specifically if he made comments condoning her drinking.

He could of been angry with her privately but that doesn't mean he thinks she's a killer, thinks it's ok that she drank that night. But she's still the mother of his (missing) child and perhaps he put that anger aside for the greater need of standing by DB while everyone and their mother comes down on her for her actions that night and what they think she did to BL. I think that is the meaning behind his comment to MK.

Look at it this way, if by some miracle BL is found alive or DB is found completely innocent of anything, how will she be viewed at that point? A mother who made bad decisions, that's all. Why can't it be that is how JI views her, the mother of his child who made a bad decision, but still believes in her, still loves her.

 

[katydid23]

I think what I'm getting at is there is this assumption that JI has 'indifference' with her drinking simply because he chooses to stand beside her and to me it's two different things, condoning the fact she was drinking while watching the kids and thinking DB is responsible for something happening to BL. That's why I asked specifically if he made comments condoning her drinking.

He could of been angry with her privately but that doesn't mean he thinks she's a killer, thinks it's ok that she drank that night. But she's still the mother of his (missing) child and perhaps he put that anger aside for the greater need of standing by DB while everyone and their mother comes down on her for her actions that night and what they think she did to BL. I think that is the meaning behind his comment to MK.

Look at it this way, if by some miracle BL is found alive or DB is found completely innocent of anything, how will she be viewed at that point? A mother who made bad decisions, that's all. Why can't it be that is how JI views her, the mother of his child who made a bad decision, but still believes in her, still loves her.

Did you read and ponder what he said above?

“Um, I don’t really have much of a reaction, I mean, regardless of what, how much she was drinking, or if she was drunk, or if she supposedly blacked out or whatever, it doesn’t change who you are and what you do.’



He is saying that even if the CARETAKER of his 3 young kids is blacked out drunk, it doesnt change ' what they do,'

REALLY? There is no difference in what a very drunk babysitter might do in comparison to a sober one?

Because his drunk babysitter left the front door unlocked, the side window open, all the lights on and passed out.

 

[Donjeta]

It's not only nonsense, it's also patently untrue.

:cow:

But maybe he has to think it's okay and doesn't matter because it was also his decision to leave his ten month old baby with someone who was planning to get drunk.

 

[redheadedgal]

Because his drunk babysitter left the front door unlocked, the side window open, all the lights on and passed out.

doubt very much JI would have the same reaction if it had been a hired sitter... i would imagine he'd be livid, not indifferent.

consider:

http://zeldalily.com/index.php/2011/10/drunk-babysitter-serves-as-a-reminder/

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/2011/03/07/20110307florida-drunk-babysitter-arrested.html

http://www.kcra.com/r/29052426/detail.html

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb...ed-man-arrested-while-caring/?partner=popular

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/tayside...ddler-surrounded-by-razors-drugs-and-alcohol/


so-- why does a drunk and passed out mom get a pass especially when a child went "missing" on her watch??

btw, considering the above examples, DB should be arrested for child neglect at the very least.

 

[cityslick]

It's not only nonsense, it's also patently untrue.

:cow:

But maybe he has to think it's okay and doesn't matter because it was also his decision to leave his ten month old baby with someone who was planning to get drunk.

He's not going to call her out on a national tv interview, no matter what he thinks of her. He's not going to slam her drinking and say she's responsible for BL going missing. He's going to stand by her, in the face of negative publicity toward her. Let me see where I've seen this today:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46853757/ns/today-today_people/

 

[cityslick]

doubt very much JI would have the same reaction if it had been a hired sitter... i would imagine he'd be livid, not indifferent.

consider:

http://zeldalily.com/index.php/2011/10/drunk-babysitter-serves-as-a-reminder/

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/2011/03/07/20110307florida-drunk-babysitter-arrested.html

http://www.kcra.com/r/29052426/detail.html

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/feb...ed-man-arrested-while-caring/?partner=popular

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/tayside...ddler-surrounded-by-razors-drugs-and-alcohol/


so-- why does a drunk and passed out mom get a pass especially when a child went "missing" on her watch??

btw, considering the above examples, DB should be arrested for child neglect at the very least.

Because the drunk and passed out mom is still the mother of BL and the step mother of his son. The hired babysitter has no relational impact to JI. DB is not a stranger. Again, for those that don't believe the 'stand by your man' (or in this case, woman) principal, I direct you to the following:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46853757/ns/today-today_people/

 

[Donjeta]

Because the drunk and passed out mom is still the mother of BL and the step mother of his son. The hired babysitter has no relational impact to JI. DB is not a stranger. Again, for those that don't believe the 'stand by your man' (or in this case, woman) principal, I direct you to the following:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46853757/ns/today-today_people/

The good ole River in Egypt...
Her case is a little different in that it was not her own children that were harmed, it was some strangers very far away, and I'm sure very few people would stay married to someone they think capable of mass murder.

But you are absolutely right, many parents value standing by their lover far above standing up for their children.

 

[OneLove]

Because the drunk and passed out mom is still the mother of BL and the step mother of his son. The hired babysitter has no relational impact to JI. DB is not a stranger. Again, for those that don't believe the 'stand by your man' (or in this case, woman) principal, I direct you to the following:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46853757/ns/today-today_people/

Have they married? Because I thought at the time of the disappearance of Lisa, their daughter, that they were not. I might be misinformed. If not married, she certainly is NOT the step mother of Jeremy's son by another woman; she is his live-in girlfriend who has admitted to neglect of the children in her care. I'm guessing that gives her about the legal status of an unpaid babysitter to children in her care that she did not give birth to. Maybe she felt about that way too. She didn't seem to give much care to her OWN children, so I'd be REALLY worried about one she didn't even CHOOSE that is not related to her legally or biologically.

 

[cityslick]

Have they married? Because I thought at the time of the disappearance of Lisa, their daughter, that they were not. I might be misinformed. If not married, she certainly is NOT the step mother of Jeremy's son by another woman; she is his live-in girlfriend who has admitted to neglect of the children in her care. I'm guessing that gives her about the legal status of an unpaid babysitter to children in her care that she did not give birth to. Maybe she felt about that way too. She didn't seem to give much care to her OWN children, so I'd be REALLY worried about one she didn't even CHOOSE that is not related to her legally or biologically.

Your correct, I misspoke, she is not a step mother. The fact remains though that she is BL's mother (his daughter) and for some time have been living together, sharing a home. Her legal status is irrelevant, what is relevant in this debate is her status to him and it certainly is not a unpaid babysitter.

Just because he will not slam her on national tv and denounce her drinking doesn't mean he condones it.

 

[Donjeta]

JMO if you leave your baby in the care of someone you know just bought a box of wine to drink it while you're gone you're condoning drunken babysitting.

 

[cityslick]

JMO if you leave your baby in the care of someone you know just bought a box of wine to drink it while you're gone you're condoning drunken babysitting.

How would he know she was going to drink it to intoxication. According to him he was expected to be home earlier.

 

[Donjeta]

How would he know she was going to drink it to intoxication. According to him he was expected to be home earlier.

From past experience...? DB said she drinks two or three times per week so I would expect a live-in partner to know what her habits are.