How much does Jeremy know?

[cityslick]

From past experience...? DB said she drinks two or three times per week so I would expect a live-in partner to know what her habits are.

She gets drunk two -three times a week?

 

[Donjeta]

It certainly sounds like that to me but I could be wrong and it was the first time ever she got drunk.

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MK: “Some folks are going to have an issue with you having more than five drinks while you’re looking after a baby and two little boys.

DB: “Oh, I’m sure they are…She was sleeping. You know, I don’t see the problem in me having my grown up time. I take good care of my kids. I keep my house clean. I do their laundry. I kiss their boo-boos. I, I fix them food. I am involved in their school stuff. I mean, to me, there’s nothing wrong with me doing what I want to do, after dark. As soon as I’m done drinking, I go right to bed.”

MK: “Is that what happened [inaudible]?”

DB: “Right. Which is why I don’t do it till my kids are in bed.”

MK: “Does it happen every night?”

DB: “No. No.”

MK: “How many days a week would you say…”

DB: “Maybe a couple time a week.”

MK: “How drunk were you?”

DB: “Just drunk.”

MK: “I mean, were you slurring your words, were you stumbling?”

DB: “I don’t think so, no.

MK: “Is it possible you had a blackout?”

DB: “It could , it’s a possibility. I mean, just like anybody else, when you drink, you don’t remember the things that happened, and stuff like that but, um, yeah, it’s a possibility. But, it, once again, has nothing to do with my daughter.”

She has her adult time a couple of times per week and she takes it for granted that when anybody drinks they don't remember the things that happened. That's a pretty drunk statement to make, IMO. I have never lost my memory if I've just had a couple of glasses of wine. Would she say something like that if she's normally in the habit of sipping a couple of drinks and being none the worse for it?

 

[norest4thewicked]

She gets drunk two -three times a week?

Even more than that maybe. She admits to "a few". A "few" to me would be three-four.

 

[hambirg]

I think what I'm getting at is there is this assumption that JI has 'indifference' with her drinking simply because he chooses to stand beside her and to me it's two different things, condoning the fact she was drinking while watching the kids and thinking DB is responsible for something happening to BL. That's why I asked specifically if he made comments condoning her drinking.

He could of been angry with her privately but that doesn't mean he thinks she's a killer, thinks it's ok that she drank that night. But she's still the mother of his (missing) child and perhaps he put that anger aside for the greater need of standing by DB while everyone and their mother comes down on her for her actions that night and what they think she did to BL. I think that is the meaning behind his comment to MK.

Look at it this way, if by some miracle BL is found alive or DB is found completely innocent of anything, how will she be viewed at that point? A mother who made bad decisions, that's all. Why can't it be that is how JI views her, the mother of his child who made a bad decision, but still believes in her, still loves her.

JI does not have a history of standing by the mother of his children. . .just the opposite in fact. His behavior of standing by DB is exactly why I think he must know what happened and be involved. . .if not fully responsible. He has very subtly tried to throw DB under the bus. He is hedging his bets. As long as the public is ready to accuse DB and she is now clinging to him. .. it's all good. He will wait it out. But if push comes to shove. . .he will shove DB in front of the bus. . .evidenced by the fact that he already has.

 

[cityslick]

It certainly sounds like that to me but I could be wrong and it was the first time ever she got drunk.

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She has her adult time a couple of times per week and she takes it for granted that when anybody drinks they don't remember the things that happened. That's a pretty drunk statement to make, IMO. I have never lost my memory if I've just had a couple of glasses of wine. Would she say something like that if she's normally in the habit of sipping a couple of drinks and being none the worse for it?

Lets take the assumption that she's an alcoholic (which by the way she does not admit to in that interview). Do you think JI is going to blast her alcoholism on national tv? Does he even recognize that she's an alcoholic? Does that mean he 'condones' it?

I want to hear someone outside of the family that knows DB tell me that she's a habitual drinker around kids and neglects them constantly. Do the kids constantly get neglected? Is there evidence of this?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Lets take the assumption that she's an alcoholic (which by the way she does not admit to in that interview). Do you think JI is going to blast her alcoholism on national tv? Does he even recognize that she's an alcoholic? Does that mean he 'condones' it?

I want to hear someone outside of the family that knows DB tell me that she's a habitual drinker around kids and neglects them constantly. Do the kids constantly get neglected? Is there evidence of this?

Why would you need someone outside the family to tell you that DB is a habitual drinker? You can hear it from her own words admitting that she is.

 

[cityslick]

JI does not have a history of standing by the mother of his children. . .just the opposite in fact. His behavior of standing by DB is exactly why I think he must know what happened and be involved. . .if not fully responsible. He has very subtly tried to throw DB under the bus. He is hedging his bets. As long as the public is ready to accuse DB and she is now clinging to him. .. it's all good. He will wait it out. But if push comes to shove. . .he will shove DB in front of the bus. . .evidenced by the fact that he already has.

Can you illustrate this history? Are you speaking of RR, the woman who hasn't had a relationship with her son for 6 years?

 

[cityslick]

Why would you need someone outside the family to tell you that DB is a habitual drinker? You can hear it from her own words admitting that she is.

It doesn't prove she gets drunk or is neglectful. She herself is not going to admit neglect. Has anyone else?

 

[hambirg]

Lets take the assumption that she's an alcoholic (which by the way she does not admit to in that interview). Do you think JI is going to blast her alcoholism on national tv? Does he even recognize that she's an alcoholic? Does that mean he 'condones' it?

I want to hear someone outside of the family that knows DB tell me that she's a habitual drinker around kids and neglects them constantly. Do the kids constantly get neglected? Is there evidence of this?

Show me somebody that is in still under the grips of alcoholism that admits it. It's the first step of recovery and I don't think DB is in recovery. JMHO. JI isn't going to say a dang thing about DB's drinking problem as long as that throws suspicion on DB. Is he aware of it? He'd be an idiot if he wasn't. The stories are out there. We can't post them here. .but if you look you will find them. And they confirm that JI is fully aware of DB's drinking problems. IMHO. . he's probably sick and tired of DB's alcohol problems and the problems they have caused him.

 

[cityslick]

Show me somebody that is in still under the grips of alcoholism that admits it. It's the first step of recovery and I don't think DB is in recovery. JMHO. JI isn't going to say a dang thing about DB's drinking problem as long as that throws suspicion on DB. Is he aware of it? He'd be an idiot if he wasn't. The stories are out there. We can't post them here. .but if you look you will find them. And they confirm that JI is fully aware of DB's drinking problems. IMHO. . he's probably sick and tired of DB's alcohol problems and the problems they have caused him.

If they can't be posted here they are just that, stories. I don't base what I think on rumors.

 

[cityslick]

Show me somebody that is in still under the grips of alcoholism that admits it. It's the first step of recovery and I don't think DB is in recovery. JMHO. JI isn't going to say a dang thing about DB's drinking problem as long as that throws suspicion on DB. Is he aware of it? He'd be an idiot if he wasn't. The stories are out there. We can't post them here. .but if you look you will find them. And they confirm that JI is fully aware of DB's drinking problems. IMHO. . he's probably sick and tired of DB's alcohol problems and the problems they have caused him.

Why has he defended her then? Why does he even still live with her if he's trying to throw blame? Why doesn't he go to le himself and blast her?

 

[norest4thewicked]

It doesn't prove she gets drunk or is neglectful. She herself is not going to admit neglect. Has anyone else?

Can you explain how getting drunk 2 or 3 nights a week, drinking until passed out and being drunk when her child went missing, is not being neglectful? To me, she did admit neglect by admitting to being a passed out drunk when her baby went missing.

 

[hambirg]

Can you illustrate this history? Are you speaking of RR, the woman who hasn't had a relationship with her son for 6 years?

Yes. .. he threw his son's mother out. She was broke and indigent and that didn't seem to bother him. He didn't seem to have any interest in sustaining the relationship between his son and his mother. . if for no other reason than for his son's own good. He did the same with his own parents. They apparently wanted a relationship with their grandson, but JI was denying them that, evidenced by the court records where the Irwins were suing him for visitation. I guess JI wasn't keeping his son from them for some legitimate reason like they are abusive, because as soon as this story broke, JI dropped the case with his parents. So why were they having to sue in court just to see their grandson? I think JI has control issues. Why would somebody prevent other loving adults from seeing their child? Does JI do what is in the best interest of his child, or what is in the best interest of JI? MOO. . .JI is about JI and that includes his relationship with DB. He's not valiantly standing by his woman. . .he's doing what is in his best interest. .just as he has a history of doing.

MOO. . #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[norest4thewicked]

If they can't be posted here they are just that, stories. I don't base what I think on rumors.

We don't need to see anything here from anyone else...DB admits it already.

 

[highflyer]

Show me somebody that is in still under the grips of alcoholism that admits it. It's the first step of recovery and I don't think DB is in recovery. JMHO. JI isn't going to say a dang thing about DB's drinking problem as long as that throws suspicion on DB. Is he aware of it? He'd be an idiot if he wasn't. The stories are out there. We can't post them here. .but if you look you will find them. And they confirm that JI is fully aware of DB's drinking problems. IMHO. . he's probably sick and tired of DB's alcohol problems and the problems they have caused him.

Is that like a lawyer who blurts out information that isn't allowed in court and then is admonished for it? It achieves getting the banned information out and usually only for a slap on the hand.

 

[highflyer]

Yes. .. he threw his son's mother out. She was broke and indigent and that didn't seem to bother him. He didn't seem to have any interest in sustaining the relationship between his son and his mother. . if for no other reason than for his son's own good. He did the same with his own parents. They apparently wanted a relationship with their grandson, but JI was denying them that, evidenced by the court records where the Irwins were suing him for visitation. I guess JI wasn't keeping his son from them for some legitimate reason like they are abusive, because as soon as this story broke, JI dropped the case with his parents. So why were they having to sue in court just to see their grandson? I think JI has control issues. Why would somebody prevent other loving adults from seeing their child? Does JI do what is in the best interest of his child, or what is in the best interest of JI? MOO. . .JI is about JI and that includes his relationship with DB. He's not valiantly standing by his woman. . .he's doing what is in his best interest. .just as he has a history of doing.

MOO. . #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe DB has control issues? Perhaps they don't approve of him living with a married woman and she knowing this says me or your family.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Yes. .. he threw his son's mother out. She was broke and indigent and that didn't seem to bother him. He didn't seem to have any interest in sustaining the relationship between his son and his mother. . if for no other reason than for his son's own good. He did the same with his own parents. They apparently wanted a relationship with their grandson, but JI was denying them that, evidenced by the court records where the Irwins were suing him for visitation. I guess JI wasn't keeping his son from them for some legitimate reason like they are abusive, because as soon as this story broke, JI dropped the case with his parents. So why were they having to sue in court just to see their grandson? I think JI has control issues. Why would somebody prevent other loving adults from seeing their child? Does JI do what is in the best interest of his child, or what is in the best interest of JI? MOO. . .JI is about JI and that includes his relationship with DB. He's not valiantly standing by his woman. . .he's doing what is in his best interest. .just as he has a history of doing.

MOO. . #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jumping off from your post, I agree that JI is a control freak and he is terrified of his son being around his parents because he is afraid of what the boy might tell the grandparents. We saw what I am talking about with Josh Powell and his little boys.

 

[melissasmom]

He Yes. .. he threw his son's mother out. She was broke and indigent and that didn't seem to bother him.didn't seem to have any interest in sustaining the relationship between his son and his mother. . if for no other reason than for his son's own good. He did the same with his own parents. They apparently wanted a relationship with their grandson, but JI was denying them that, evidenced by the court records where the Irwins were suing him for visitation. I guess JI wasn't keeping his son from them for some legitimate reason like they are abusive, because as soon as this story broke, JI dropped the case with his parents. So why were they having to sue in court just to see their grandson? I think JI has control issues. Why would somebody prevent other loving adults from seeing their child? Does JI do what is in the best interest of his child, or what is in the best interest of JI? MOO. . .JI is about JI and that includes his relationship with DB. He's not valiantly standing by his woman. . .he's doing what is in his best interest. .just as he has a history of doing.

MOO. . #4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BBM

How do you know he "threw her out"? Where is this even coming from? As far as sustaining the relationship, RR HAD supervised visitation. If she chose not to visit her son, how is that JI's fault?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Maybe DB has control issues? Perhaps they don't approve of him living with a married woman and she knowing this says me or your family.

Or, perhaps they are terrified that their grandson will end up just like their granddaughter did.

 

[hambirg]

If they can't be posted here they are just that, stories. I don't base what I think on rumors.

I would go with that if there weren't so dang many of them. . .and the sources didn't check out. Do you have a source that says DB doesn't have a problem with alcohol? Is there one legitimate source coming forward with their testimony to the fact that DB doesn't have an alcohol problem? Just one?