Hunter Biden indicted, federal gun charges, Sept 2023

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The investigation into Hunter Biden goes back as far as 2018. Obama's presidency ended in January 2017.
I hope the Special Prosecutor looks at Hunter's business relationships--especially with Burisma in the Ukraine--while his father was vice-president.

JMO
 
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I hope the Special Prosecutor looks at Hunter's business relationships--especially with Burisma in the Ukraine--while his father was vice-president.

JMO

I understand that has already happened. An investigation by the Republican-controlled Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees shortly before the 2020 presidential election concluded that there was no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing.

Ukraine is still an American ally, is it not? It might have been a different outcome if they found support there for a Russian overtake of Ukrainian resources.
 
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I understand that has already happened. An investigation by the Republican-controlled Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees shortly before the 2020 presidential election concluded that there was no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing.

Ukraine is still an American ally, is it not? It might be a different outcome if there was a huge support there for a Russian overtake of Ukrainian resources.
I prefer criminal investigations be conducted by the Justice Dept rather than politicians.

JMO
 
  • #184
I prefer criminal investigations be conducted by the Justice Dept rather than politicians.

JMO

Yes, indeed. No doubt that would have been the next step if the evidence lead in that direction.
 
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Yes, indeed. No doubt that would have been the next step if the evidence lead in that direction.
A special prosecutor has been named so evidently it is the next step.

JMO
 
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I form my opinion based on facts, not political propaganda.

I do not believe the DOJ is being used as a "political weapon." Even when the plea deal was announced--and then rejected by the Judge--it was very clear to me that the criminal investigation into his finances wasn't over.

JMO
 
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"Based on recent developments, it appears that the negotiation and drafting of the plea agreement and diversion agreement will be contested, and Mr. Clark is a percipient witness to those issues," the motion filed by Biden's attorneys Tuesday said. "Under the 'witness-advocate' rule, it is inadvisable for Mr. Clark to continue as counsel in this case."

 
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"Based on recent developments, it appears that the negotiation and drafting of the plea agreement and diversion agreement will be contested, and Mr. Clark is a percipient witness to those issues," the motion filed by Biden's attorneys Tuesday said. "Under the 'witness-advocate' rule, it is inadvisable for Mr. Clark to continue as counsel in this case."

I had to look up "percipient witness." :)

"A witness who has obtained knowledge of an event directly through their senses, generally, through sight (eyewitness) or hearing (earwitness). These people are often called into a court of law to give testimony about what they perceived. "

 
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A federal judge in Delaware formally dismissed misdemeanor tax charges against Hunter Biden on Thursday, but the president's son is expected to face the same charges — or new ones — in the near future.

 
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I've been kinda avoiding this thread because those folks who decry politcally motivated prosecutions - well, for me, this is such a case. I have aboslutely no problem with any Democrat being held to full account for criminal wrongdoing but this case has always struck me as a conviction in search of a prosecution. There is sometimes such an overcorrection to proclaim or pretend non-bias that itself becomes bias. I believe that's what's happened here. Garland is sensitive to criticism that he's treating one side of the political aisle differently even when doing so is logical, just and reasonable. There's a score of lawyers out there who have stated publicly that people without the last name Biden wouldn't be indicted let alone taken to trial on these charges. JMO and FWIW
The optics for DOJ are poor on this matter, given reports that Weiss had nearly reached the point of declining to bring any charges against Biden before political pressure mounted—with so-called whistleblowers claiming that DOJ had “hamstrung” the investigation. The new promise of charges also comes in the aftermath of the renewed criticism of the plea deal, accompanied by demands from the GOP chairmen of the House Oversight, Judiciary, and Ways and Means committees for documents related to the failed deal.
Prosecutors aren’t supposed to go exploring into the unknown looking for charges. They should apply the law to the facts before them, and five years is more than enough time for Weiss and the DOJ to have done just that—and completed the Hunter Biden mission.
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Please note my opinion is based on just these two charges - if they do actually have 'real' crimes to charge him with, said opinion may well change. But I'm very skeptical there's any there there after a 5 year investigation and a failed plea deal.
 
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He should be charged for his federal gun crime. Martha Stewart was convicted of lying to the feds.

Hunter Biden’s gun-related legal troubles relate to a firearm he purchased in October 2018. While buying a revolver at Delaware gun shop, he lied on a federal form when he swore that he was not using, and was not addicted to, any illegal drugs – even though he was struggling with crack cocaine addiction at the time of the purchase.


 
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I've been kinda avoiding this thread because those folks who decry politcally motivated prosecutions - well, for me, this is such a case. I have aboslutely no problem with any Democrat being held to full account for criminal wrongdoing but this case has always struck me as a conviction in search of a prosecution. There is sometimes such an overcorrection to proclaim or pretend non-bias that itself becomes bias. I believe that's what's happened here. Garland is sensitive to criticism that he's treating one side of the political aisle differently even when doing so is logical, just and reasonable. There's a score of lawyers out there who have stated publicly that people without the last name Biden wouldn't be indicted let alone taken to trial on these charges. JMO and FWIW


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Please note my opinion is based on just these two charges - if they do actually have 'real' crimes to charge him with, said opinion may well change. But I'm very skeptical there's any there there after a 5 year investigation and a failed plea deal.
I wonder how many targets of an investigation get tipped off by the FBI? The Biden’s sure did. Anyone else? I think it defeats the purpose.


The Walker interview, on Dec. 8, 2020, was one of 12 investigators had planned to conduct on a so-called “day of action.” However, Shapley said, he learned the night before that “FBI headquarters had notified Secret Service headquarters and the transition team about the planned actions the following day. This essentially tipped off a group of people very close to President Biden and Hunter Biden and gave this group an opportunity to obstruct the approach”.

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On Dec. 14, Weiss — Wolf’s boss — told Shapley that “that if the storage unit wasn’t accessed for 30 days we could execute a search warrant on it.

“No sooner had we gotten off the call then we heard AUSA Wolf had simply reached out to Hunter Biden’s defense counsel and told him about the storage unit, once again ruining our chance to get to evidence before being destroyed, manipulated, or concealed,” he testified.
 
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The development comes as the California Republican has been signaling all recess, as CNN has previously reported, that he’s moving closer to moving forward with such an investigation, related to the president’s son Hunter’s business dealings.
 
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@JoyceWhiteVance

Hunter Biden sues a former Trump WH official who also worked for Peter Navarro with allegations including illegal electronic access in connection with what's widely called HB's laptop but which this insinuates is illegally accessed IPhone storage data.

Garrett Ziegler accessed and then manipulated data from Hunter Biden’s iPhone which he claimed were on a laptop obtained from associates of Bannon and Giuliani.

 
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I understand that has already happened. An investigation by the Republican-controlled Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees shortly before the 2020 presidential election concluded that there was no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing.

Ukraine is still an American ally, is it not? It might have been a different outcome if they found support there for a Russian overtake of Ukrainian resources.

Just skimming the report, it has some problematic findings. Just saying. I don't understand why he was ever allowed to continue with work in which there were so many conflicts of interest. I was an active Democrat for over 40 yrs, but I refuse to defend any of this. Was. JMO
 
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From link.

The three-count indictment says Hunter Biden lied on a form required for every gun purchase when he bought a .38 Colt Cobra Special at a Wilmington, Delaware, gun shop.
He's charged with two counts of making false statements by checking a box falsely saying he was not addicted to drugs and giving it to the shop for their federally required records. A third count alleges he possessed the gun for about 11 days despite knowing he was a drug user.



The gun in this image is Not a 38 colt cobra special.




Second gun charge?
 
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