Hurricane Florence - September 2018

[imstilla.grandma]

Me too

but ya know is just flat out dumb

these things cost billions

WTH is one more billion buck right!

These entire grids are going to have to be totally rebult. What do we do - stick in 1950 designed wood poles.

I know this time there is no choice. But hey power companies -- start manucatoring and stockpiling cement power poles i dont know steel

teflon I ain't that smart and have no idea but whatever not stupid a%% wood poles.

manufacture and stockpile different ways they are put in the ground and held there

make a stockpile stronger lines themselves

then the next one you have new safer stronger way to reinstall whenever the next one that wipes out huge portions of a grid

the power companies themselves are never gonna do it

well billions of mitigation comes out of taxpayers anyhow

so take a billion and start prefabricating NEW stuff

obviously we need stockpiles

I don't remember the number but the actual number of transformers nation wide was chillingly useless

if any of this would get started and in place and then ready the next time they could just kill the system let it come through and if everything is not a giant mess do a check up flip the switch and the city is back up !!

lets do a multiple choice test!

Out of the pictures below please select the picture you believe might withstand hurricane winds better?

A

B

Be sure to elaborate on your choice in detail.

I choose photo 2. It seems they would somehow support each other. If not that, they wouldn’t have anything falling on them. Photo 1 would seem likely the trees would cause more damage by falling into them. Heck, I don’t know. I’m terrible at multiple choice. Wait a minute. Hold on. I choose photo 1. The main pole electrical box is in my back yard survived my tornado. The KOMA radio tower a couple of streets away did not.
Photo #1. That’s my final answer Alex.

 

[Jax49]

8:00 PM EDT Sat Sep 15
Location: 33.6°N 80.1°W
Moving: W at 2 mph
Min pressure: 997 mb
Max sustained: 45 mph

 

[Jax49]

Weather Channel reporting two more deaths (total 11). The last two from carbon monoxide poisoning.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Be safe Carolinas. I pray for you.

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[Jax49]

...HEAVY RAIN BANDS CONTINUE TO DELUGE SOUTHEASTERN NORTH CAROLINA... ...FLASH FLOODING AND MAJOR RIVER FLOODING OCCURRING OVER A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE CAROLINAS...


11:00 PM EDT Sat Sep 15
Location: 33.7°N 80.5°W
Moving: W at 3 mph
Min pressure: 998 mb
Max sustained: 40 mph

 

[MimosaMornings]

Rain rain and more rain here. Wind around 23 mph. Hourly forecast “squalls”.
I had to look up the difference between “gusts” and “squalls”.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Why don’t we put power lines underground?

The move could defend the grid against hurricanes. But it brings its own problems—and price tag.

And sometimes 3 days to fix a 3 hour repair if line were above ground. And flooding can do it's own unique damage to underground lines, depending on the weight of the standing water and the squishiness of the soil.

H. Katrina caused breaks in something like 30% of the city's water mains and lines. People came back from evacuating to $1800 water bills, because the line from the meter to the house broke from the weight of the flood water. People had to leave NOLA, as they could not have utilities reconnected until they paid 1000's of dollars for wasted water.

 

[Jax49]

Location change 3:00 PM EDT Fri Sep 14 & 11:00 PM EDT Sat Sep 15

34.0°N 78.4°W
33.9°N 78.8°W
33.7°N 79.3°W
33.6°N 79.5°W
33.6°N 79.6°W
33.6°N 79.8°W
33.6°N 79.9°W
33.6°N 80.1°W
33.7°N 80.5°W

Barely moving...

 

[MelmothTheLost]

From a link posted earlier:

A herd of wild horses that roams a northern portion of North Carolina's Outer Banks has survived Florence just fine. The Corolla Wild Horse Fund, a group devoted to protecting and managing the herd of wild Colonial Spanish Mustangs, posted a message on its Facebook page saying the horses were "doing their normal thing -- grazing, socializing and wondering what us crazy humans are all worked up over."

Forecasts earlier in the week that showed Florence potentially making a more direct hit on the northern Outer Banks had many people worried about how the horses would fare. But wildlife experts had said there was no need to worry.

The Cape Hatteras National Seashore tweeted Saturday that all of the ponies in another herd on Ocracoke Island were safe. The Cape Lookout National Seashore said in a Facebook post that it would provide an update on a herd of horses at another location -- Shackleford Banks -- just as soon as staff could return to do condition assessments.

Tropical Storm Florence batters North and South Carolina; 12 deaths reported - live updates

I must admit I'm astonished at their ability to survive the storm surge.

 

[1&2&3]

What is so frustrating to me is these people who choose to not evacuate when ordered! I am specifically speaking of the 140 reported in New Bern.

The reports from CBSN about 2:00 AM Friday night/Saturday morning were that five super Coast Guard helicopters had been brought in earlier, however, due to the wind the helicopters could not fly. With the rain, wind, and darkness (all power being out) the pilots could not see downed electrical lines. One helicopter had tried to go out, and it was a no go.

There were rescuers with heavy duty inflatable boats. They were having trouble due to the fast moving water and rain.

The news caster said people were reported on their roofs and it looked liked they would have to spend the night there as no one could get to them. He was sincere.

This is what aggravates me. People don’t leave, yet when it gets bad, they want people to risk their life to come out and rescue them! ! These rescuers are someone’s son, father, husband, friend!! They are angels in crisis while these 140 were thoughtless. IMO.

EDIT: There were a few who had a very good reason for not leaving I am sure.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

What is so frustrating to me is these people who choose to not evacuate when ordered! I am specifically speaking of the 140 reported in New Bern.

This is what aggravates me. People don’t leave, yet when it gets bad, they want people to risk their life to come out and rescue them! ! These rescuers are someone’s son, father, husband, friend!! They are angels in crisis while these 140 were thoughtless. IMO.

I agree. This is just so bloody selfish.

 

[Jax49]

...FLORENCE WEAKENS TO A DEPRESSION BUT FLASH FLOODING AND MAJOR RIVER FLOODING WILL CONTINUE OVER A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE CAROLINAS...


5:00 AM EDT Sun Sep 16
Location: 33.8°N 81.4°W
Moving: W at 8 mph
Min pressure: 1000 mb
Max sustained: 35 mph

 

[CARIIS]

oh brother dams are now collapsing

They were trying to do a manual breach

BSL’s Big Lake dam breaks, floods surrounding area - WWAY TV

Cape Fear River should crest higher in Hurricane Florence than Matthew

 

[MelmothTheLost]

oh brother dams are now collapsing

Link?

 

[CARIIS]

Were dams breaking in other hurricanes??

this is from last night

If we receive the catastrophic rain that is predicted and that is not controllable by a dam and spillway structure; and since we cannot predict with any certainty what will happen with the flooding of the Cape Fear River Basin, we strongly feel that action by you now is warranted," said Melissa P. Adams, town manager. "We suggest that if you have the ability to seek shelter elsewhere you should do so."

link a tv station has to leave cause a tornado is coming

Hope Mills urges residents to get out while they can

 

[Jax49]

Hope Mills dam is working, for now. Apparently there were SM rumors that it had failed. bbm

A mandatory evacuation order was in effect Saturday for residents of Cumberland County, Fayetteville and Wade who are within a mile of the Cape Fear River and Little River due to potential for flooding, according to a statement by the county and city. The town of Hope Mills warned residents near the Hope Mills Lake that the dam could breach on Sunday and told them to seek shelter.

Downgraded Florence a danger as river flooding rises in Carolinas, with death toll at 14

 

[CARIIS]

closed power plant now messed up

collapse at a coal-ash landfill at a closed power station near the North Carolina coast.

Duke spokeswoman Paige Sheehan said about 2,000 cubic yards (1,530 cubic meters) of ash were displaced at the L. V. Sutton Power Station outside Wilmington and that contaminated runoff likely flowed into the plant's cooling pond. The company has not yet determined whether the weir that drains the lake was open or if contamination may have flowed into the Cape Fear River. That's enough ash to roughly fill 180 dump trucks.

Florence rains cause collapse at NC coal ash landfill

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Survivor “Kitten”

 

[CARIIS]

Hope Mills dam is working, for now. Apparently there were SM rumors that it had failed. bbm



Downgraded Florence a danger as river flooding rises in Carolinas, with death toll at 14

I dont know what the heck is going on (will see if I can find it again ) there was video somewhere of it