I am so Angry

[Magnum PI]

I believe that most of the posters made it clear that we were referring to the looters who were robbing the stores of items clearly not needed to live, participating in violence, etc...

I understand and I am compassionate...just not to the point of thinking that criminals who take advantage of the situation deserve to be rescued.

I understand a who was in the process of raping a 16 year old girl was shot in the head by a swat team...I think that is a good start, anyway...mpi

 

[Mabel]

I sometimes post about the world in general or about what people are talking about in the media. Just a general "opinion". Maybe Kayne West's tirade. I should maybe clarify myself sometimes. I just keep hearing stuff on the news and reading little bits here and there about government and slow response and stuff. I just wanted to respond in general.

Sorry if I offended anyone.
You can ignore me if you want.

When a poster gives a "general opinion" other posters are going to agree or disagree. No one is immune. I see that you've disagreed or commented on posts made by others, so you know how it works. I have no desire to ignore you. I've never yet put anyone on ignore and have no plans to start now.

 

[Mabel]

You are not addressing me. This is my own personal two cents worth. They deserve to be rescued as well.

We do not have a universe where only "nice" people who behave themselves live.

Lack of patience goes across all race and class boundaries.

Exactly.

 

[nanandjim]

...Lack of patience goes across all race and class boundaries.

This has nothing to do with 'lack of patience.' These criminals stole drugs and guns, were shooting at police and rescue vehicles, ransacked cars and stores, and more. You may think that these people deserve to be rescued. I personally don't. In fact, they probably do not want to be rescued anyway. They are having a field day, right where they are.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

When a poster gives a "general opinion" other posters are going to agree or disagree. No one is immune. I see that you've disagreed or commented on posts made by others, so you know how it works. I have no desire to ignore you. I've never yet put anyone on ignore and have no plans to start now.

you are right. I'm sorry. I am having a bad day. Bad week actually.
The real focus here is rescuing the people (and the pets too!), so I will try to keep my energy focused.

 

[Mabel]

you are right. I'm sorry. I am having a bad day. Bad week actually.
The real focus here is rescusing the people (and the pets too!), so I will try to keep my energy focused.

 

[tybee204]

Again, if we stay on topic and not the individual personalities of posters we can avoid the hurt feelings and being offended. People bring their life experience into their opinions and everyones life experience differs. Heated debate is acceptable but pleae refrain from personalizing it.

 

[Casshew]

I've never yet put anyone on ignore and have no plans to start now.

Not even CW? :crazy:

 

[Mabel]

Not even CW? :crazy:

What? and miss all the fun? Never!

 

[PrayersForMaura]

This has nothing to do with 'lack of patience.' These criminals stole drugs and guns, were shooting at police and rescue vehicles, ransacked cars and stores, and more. You may think that these people deserve to be rescued. I personally don't. In fact, they probably do not want to be rescued anyway. They are having a field day, right where they are.

I have to agree on this.

Now i understand people taking food, clothes, water, diapers, things you need for survival from the stores that have been pretty much destroyed from the hurricanes too --- after all, most of hte produce would go bad anyway, and if the food gets wet, some of it would be useless anyway.
I think the stores wouldn't mind people doing that actually.

But those people stealing tvs, jewelry, raping, stabbing, robbing people...
AND the people who hijacked the boat of I believe red cross workers?? The one who had people on there they rescued plus food and medical supplies.... that was just unacceptable...unacceptable.

Those would be the LAST people to resuce. There are a risk to the rest of the innocent people being rescued.

And why are they looting guns??

The raping and robbing is completely unacceptable.

I do understand that perhaps after 3 to 5 days of no bed, no food, no toilets, no water .... it could lead one to become angry, delusional and perhaps crazy, but killing or raping someone ... uh uh. Not acceptable. :snooty:

 

[concernedperson]

I think everyone will agree that this is a national tragedy and so many are affected. Maybe collective tears and prayers will help bring us more together.In the interim I hope the victims get all the help they need and life begins to prosper for them.

 

[Details]

You are not addressing me. This is my own personal two cents worth. They deserve to be rescued as well.

We do not have a universe where only "nice" people who behave themselves live.

Lack of patience goes across all race and class boundaries.

We may not have that universe, but I'd sure like to give it a try. I don't see that the people who shoot at rescuers, rape and kill women and children because they can deserve to live. The looters who made things worse (and, like everyone else, I'm only using looter to describe those stealing items not needed for survival - jewelry, TVs, etc.) - they only deserve to live if they can still be rescued after everyone else, everyone who just tried to survive and help others survive are rescued and safe.

This breakdown of order caused by the looters delayed (and delay means death for many in a situation like this) rescue and supplies, diverted (again, means death for others) police to having to maintain order. The "not nice" people caused others deaths. To me, that puts them at the far back end of the line for rescue, the more directly the cause, the further back in the line they belong.

 

[less0305]

Again, if we stay on topic and not the individual personalities of posters we can avoid the hurt feelings and being offended. People bring their life experience into their opinions and everyones life experience differs. Heated debate is acceptable but pleae refrain from personalizing it.

Tybee....me thinks they're not listening. :bang:

 

[nanandjim]

...May I start prostrating to you now?

Well...only if you feel that you must...

 

[Beyond Belief]

LOL the title I am so angry might be a little confusing. Like inviting people to sound off. Maybe we should put a thread up for sounding off, but ask other posters to not respond to what is being said.

 

[Details]

LOL the title I am so angry might be a little confusing. Like inviting people to sound off. Maybe we should put a thread up for sounding off, but ask other posters to not respond to what is being said.

I kinda think that's all threads - nothing new here, people are stating their opinions and their feelings. Just like any other forum, they have to accept that others will differ with them, and not take that personally.

 

[Mabel]

We may not have that universe, but I'd sure like to give it a try. I don't see that the people who shoot at rescuers, rape and kill women and children because they can deserve to live. The looters who made things worse (and, like everyone else, I'm only using looter to describe those stealing items not needed for survival - jewelry, TVs, etc.) - they only deserve to live if they can still be rescued after everyone else, everyone who just tried to survive and help others survive are rescued and safe.

This breakdown of order caused by the looters delayed (and delay means death for many in a situation like this) rescue and supplies, diverted (again, means death for others) police to having to maintain order. The "not nice" people caused others deaths. To me, that puts them at the far back end of the line for rescue, the more directly the cause, the further back in the line they belong.

But how do you sort them out in a rescue situation? Who gets to decide what crime was so bad that a person should be left stranded to die or rescued and tried? I truly have no problem with a rapist or murderer being shot by LE when caught in the act. But when a boat shows up with room for 10 how does the rescuer know which of the potential passengers have commited such vile crimes? Just ask them? Does a person who shot someone in the head just for sport deserve rescue? Probably not. But what if someone used a gun to force his way into a pharmacy to steal drugs - perhaps drugs that he needs to keep his child alive. How is a rescuer to know the facts? We have laws in this country to protect the innocent as well as to punish the guilty. This is no time to abandon them.

 

[tybee204]

So you are omniscient and can read the minds of the looters--each and every single one of them. WOW!

May I start prostrating to you now?

Please edit yourself. Posts such as these cross the line of debate and become personal arguments. Any others that have crossed this line please edit as well

 

[Details]

But how do you sort them out in a rescue situation? Who gets to decide what crime was so bad that a person should be left stranded to die or rescued and tried? I truly have no problem with a rapist or murderer being shot by LE when caught in the act. But when a boat shows up with room for 10 how does the rescuer know which of the potential passengers have commited such vile crimes? Just ask them? Does a person who shot someone in the head just for sport deserve rescue? Probably not. But what if someone used a gun to force his way into a pharmacy to steal drugs - perhaps drugs that he needs to keep his child alive. How is a rescuer to know the facts? We have laws in this country to protect the innocent as well as to punish the guilty. This is no time to abandon them.

Yep, we don't always know. But when we know, we should act accordingly. And it's pretty easy to determine the difference between taking a month or two of the drugs taken for an illness, and a grabbing a ton of every narcotic and limited drug in there that could be sold. As to the looters - I think they often know who they are - first, they aren't the people at the rescue shelters. They aren't the people with guns shooting at cops. They aren't holed up in some mansion that isn't theirs with a bunch of plasma TV boxes around them.

Where we know, we should use that knowledge. And I have no problem with condemning them to wait until everyone else is out. We may not always know - but what is wrong with saying that when we do, we should consider them lower on the priority list than someone who is NOT making the situation worse for everyone?

 

[Details]

Very easy, when you just think black and white. Context doesn't matter.

Context matters when we are talking about a person stealling food. But there is no context where raping and killing just because or looting and shooting at rescuers - there is no context in which that is OK. I'm very much into shades of gray, but sooner or later, the gray turns black.