IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #11

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  • #761
Bless all the carers of special kids.

You are absolute angels...easy to overlook when there's evil around.
 
  • #762
I'm still unsure if we are certain that the guy she saw is a RSO?

My first guess based in her description is that his wife doesn't want him smoking, so he stopped by the lake to smoke. The minivan has windows so it doesn't immediately scream pedovan to me.

Yeah. Gosh.

He might've just been in the van listening to the footy or something?

Cinder....did you find out he WAS one?
 
  • #763
Oh well.

There is too much looking the other way these days. My concern is not for the adult watching, it is for the kids being watched.

Starting a conversation with a kid in a supermarket queue is far, far removed from standing and watching unknown children in a playground...I am not talking about innocent everyday exchanges such as yours. These days a man could be ARRESTED and accused of stalking...is that preferable to hurting his feelings?

Perhaps if you lived in a place where THREE children went missing from a busy crowded beach, you would feel less offended and perhaps grateful that people like me are caring for children's safety these days.

And before anyone pipes up and says "I didn't think you believed in multiple children being abducted", I did say OLDER children. The eldest child in the Beaumont case was only 9, the youngest was 4, plus it was far, far more innocent times.

Beaumont children disappearance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nearly 40 years ago and this town has NEVER gotten over it. They are still talked about today.

I'm not trying to argue, really, I promise, but when does it go from "innocent talk in a grocery store line" to "harming/intending to harm" children? I care deeply for these kids on multiple levels. Of course I'm worried for my little niece. I'm also very worried for a friends daughters who were not allowed of the house unaccompanied for their first 10 or more years.
 
  • #764
Still a hilarious mental image. I feel bad wanting to ask if there were pants hanging out the window.

lol but thanks for asking. As someone said humor helps sometimes. And no I didn't see any pants.
 
  • #765
Next time just pretend you are texting and then snap the picture. Lol.

But make sure you put it on silent first so it doesn't make the clicky camera sound. I do it all the time to snap pics of celebs! :rocker:
 
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  • #767
I'm still unsure if we are certain that the guy she saw is a RSO?

My first guess based in her description is that his wife doesn't want him smoking, so he stopped by the lake to smoke. The minivan has windows so it doesn't immediately scream pedovan to me.

KC in the Iowa RSO listing.
 
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  • #769
Just a comment - it is a violation of Iowa Code to disclose personal info from a motor vehicle record without jumping through a bunch of legal hoops. To the best of my knowlege there is not a public way to check license plate numbers with owners (pls correct me if I am wrong). We need to be careful to not ID the wrong people.
 
  • #770
. Here he is:

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/photos/1201/120107015a.jpg

And he is a level 3, that means worst of the worst...

Hope this is not against the rules? If so please delete....

Further info...

The sex offender may not be present upon the real property of a public or nonpublic elementary or secondary school without the written permission of the school administrator or school administrator's designee, unless enrolled as a student at the school. The offender is also prohibited from the following:


Loiter within three hundred feet of the real property boundary of a public or nonpublic elementary or secondary school, unless enrolled as a student at the school.
Be present on or in any vehicle or other conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public or nonpublic elementary or secondary school without the written permission of the school administrator or school administrator's designee when the vehicle is in use to transport students to or from a school or school-related activities, unless enrolled as a student at the school or unless the vehicle is simultaneously made available to the public as a form of public transportation.
Be present upon the real property of a child care facility without the written permission of the child care facility administrator.
Loiter within three hundred feet of the real property boundary of a child care facility.
Be present upon the real property of a public library without the written permission of the library administrator.
Loiter within three hundred feet of the real property boundary of a public library.
Loiter on or within three hundred feet of the premises of any place intended primarily for the use of minors including but not limited to a playground available to the public, a children's play area available to the public, recreational or sport-related activity area when in use by a minor, a swimming or wading pool available to the public when in use by a minor, or a beach available to the public when in use by a minor.
 
  • #771
Just a comment - it is a violation of Iowa Code to disclose personal info from a motor vehicle record without jumping through a bunch of legal hoops. To the best of my knowlege there is not a public way to check license plate numbers with owners (pls correct me if I am wrong). We need to be careful to not ID the wrong people.

IMO, i don't think anyone did. I said she had his plate nbr. In addition to turning that into the tip line he was on the rSO site, he walked by her on the bike trail. I didn't say he was identified by his tag number. This was also all posted by Cindersoot on the day she went to myers lake.

Not being snarky just providing information.
 
  • #772
. Here he is:

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/photos/1201/120107015a.jpg

And he is a level 3, that means worst of the worst...

Hope this is not against the rules? If so please delete....

Further info...

The sex offender may not be present upon the real property of a public or nonpublic elementary or secondary school without the written permission of the school administrator or school administrator's designee, unless enrolled as a student at the school. The offender is also prohibited from the following:

Loiter within three hundred feet of the real property boundary of a public or nonpublic elementary or secondary school, unless enrolled as a student at the school.
Be present on or in any vehicle or other conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public or nonpublic elementary or secondary school without the written permission of the school administrator or school administrator's designee when the vehicle is in use to transport students to or from a school or school-related activities, unless enrolled as a student at the school or unless the vehicle is simultaneously made available to the public as a form of public transportation.
Be present upon the real property of a child care facility without the written permission of the child care facility administrator.
Loiter within three hundred feet of the real property boundary of a child care facility.
Be present upon the real property of a public library without the written permission of the library administrator.
Loiter within three hundred feet of the real property boundary of a public library.
Loiter on or within three hundred feet of the premises of any place intended primarily for the use of minors including but not limited to a playground available to the public, a children's play area available to the public, recreational or sport-related activity area when in use by a minor, a swimming or wading pool available to the public when in use by a minor, or a beach available to the public when in use by a minor.

But Cindersoot just said he LOOKS like her van man. She did not match the license plate to this name.
 
  • #773
IMO, i don't think anyone did. I said she had his plate nbr. In addition to turning that into the tip line he was on the rSO site, he walked by her on the bike trail. I didn't say he was identified by his tag number. This was also all posted by Cindersoot on the day she went to myers lake.

Not being snarky just providing information.

I just wondered if she ever got verification that the man she saw was indeed the RSO linked above. That is what I was trying to find out. I read where she said she thought she found him on the RSO site, but has there been any verification by LE that the man she saw is KDC.?

Not necessarily asking you, I just happened to quote you. I'm asking in general or I guess we really need Cindersoot to let us know if she got verification.
 
  • #774
IMO, i don't think anyone did. I said she had his plate nbr. In addition to turning that into the tip line he was on the rSO site, he walked by her on the bike trail. I didn't say he was identified by his tag number. This was also all posted by Cindersoot on the day she went to myers lake.

Not being snarky just providing information.


How was he identified as an rso? tia
 
  • #775
IMO, i don't think anyone did. I said she had his plate nbr. In addition to turning that into the tip line he was on the rSO site, he walked by her on the bike trail. I didn't say he was identified by his tag number. This was also all posted by Cindersoot on the day she went to myers lake.

Not being snarky just providing information.

Not being snarky here either. I'm a newbie and thougt TOS stated we were not to sleuth people not named as POI. Just my 2¢…
 
  • #776
:fence:
But Cindersoot just said he LOOKS like her van man. She did not match the license plate to this name.

No she went home and looked at ALL of the RSO's in the area of Waterloo and Evansdale and picked him out by his photo. Then called police.
 
  • #777
I just wondered if she ever got verification that the man she saw was indeed the RSO linked above. That is what I was trying to find out. I read where she said she thought she found him on the RSO site, but has there been any verification by LE that the man she saw is KDC.?

Not necessarily asking you, I just happened to quote you. I'm asking in general or I guess we really need Cindersoot to let us know if she got verification.

No. It is based on her opinion only.
 
  • #778
How was he identified as an rso? tia

He walked by Cindersoot on the bike trail. When she went home she looked at the Iowa RSO list. She's not here now but if anyone knows when she went to Myers lake they can direct you to the posts.
 
  • #779
Most communication is non verbal.

You can tell when a man is a parent/caregiver to the kids he's with. It's all in the body language.

Alert folks also KNOW when they're looking at something that is not quite right. I think your brother will be safe in public with his own kids, just like every other man.

It is the unusual that makes people look twice. Like the man standing watching unrelated kids in a hot tub.

Creepy. Even the child felt it.

VERY good point. You can often feel it more than see it and I DO agree it's important to go with your gut on this stuff. Instinct is very powerful and I think should be followed. Also I forgot earlier to say I'm SO GLAD you and your kids are OK.

Unfortunately I still think many men feel like they're automatically a "suspect" even when they're out with their own kids. And I HATE that. I'd rather be safe than sorry but it becomes questionable when "safe" means "a man can't take his child to a park" y'know? I don't know how to fix it and never pretended to but I do hate it. Sorry as I mentioned earlier I'm sleepy so maybe not totally with it at the moment.

I think I've joined the ranks of people who can't sleep til we find Elizabeth and Lyric. Which I hope is SOON.
 
  • #780
:fence:

No she went home and looked at ALL of the RSO's in the area of Waterloo and Evansdale and picked him out by his photo. Then called police.

Right. That's what I meant. Nothing has definitively connected van man to KC either by LE or the plate #. All we have is her statement that van man looks like KC on the RSO website. It's possible they are not the same man.
 
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