IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #13

[cindersoot]

Throwing the bikes in the back of a pick up would be much easier then opening door to a van.

 

[cindersoot]

Indianola is S of Des Moines, IA

http://whotv.com/2012/08/07/attempted-abduction-indianola-girls-get-away/

OMG!! Thank you so much for posting and finding this. OMG is all I can say.:what:

 

[cindersoot]

These recent abduction attempts, all by van have to lead to the same individual or individuals.

 

[otto]

I need help in rationalizing the act of someone besides the family in staging the bikes? Why would a perp do that? Have there been other cases where this has happened.....someone took the time to actually stage/divert the direction of the investigation besides lying to investigators? Meaning planting physical evidence? My knowledge of SO's and their behaviors is young and limited, but I was under the assumption their only goal was to abduct the person/child. Even if a person in the peripheral wanting to "save" the girls-----would they bother to take the time and effort? I'd really like other's thought on this....or a link to a study of abductors staging the scene after the abduction. Just not understanding and grasping why so many believe the perp would actually do this. TIA

The only way that the family would be involved in staging the bikes is if the children never went for a bike ride but were injured by a family member and then the bikes were places at the lake. Since the girls were seen on video at 12:15, uninjured and riding their bikes, I think that rules out that a family member did the above. Also, from all accounts, all of the parents were accounted for at the time that the children were abducted.

Apparently the police are considering the possibility that the bikes were put at the SE tip of Meyers Lake by the perp, so it must happen more often that one expects.

 

[cindersoot]

Alright folks this is getting bad. Recent attempted abductions all with a white or black van, Colo, Slater, Cedar Rapids and now Indianola. All in a matter of weeks. I think it's the same person and he is getting braver.

 

[otto]

What if the girls were playing on the jetted rocky area and the perp used Elizabeth's moms illness to get them in a vehicle. The girls would have left their bikes and the purse there in hurry to get back.

I suspect that the drainage pipe was under water on July 13. No "jetty" because it's submerged:

 

[Sunlight]

I suspect that the drainage pipe was under water on July 13. No "jetty" because it's submerged:

Isn't the jetty visible in the pics of LE and the Police SUV?

 

[tlcya]

I need help in rationalizing the act of someone besides the family in staging the bikes? Why would a perp do that? Have there been other cases where this has happened.....someone took the time to actually stage/divert the direction of the investigation besides lying to investigators? Meaning planting physical evidence? My knowledge of SO's and their behaviors is young and limited, but I was under the assumption their only goal was to abduct the person/child. Even if a person in the peripheral wanting to "save" the girls-----would they bother to take the time and effort? I'd really like other's thought on this....or a link to a study of abductors staging the scene after the abduction. Just not understanding and grasping why so many believe the perp would actually do this. TIA

I can only speculate that the location of the actual abduction (if not at lake) would lead to the perp therefore staging to draw attention away from the real location or circumstances of the abduction.

Local or someone familiar to the area who visits frequently is the only reason I could see a non family member or non close associate staging the bikes/trail scene.

 

[palaminodee]

I would more likely believe the perp borrowed one of the boats on the lake than be seen towing and putting a boat in the water. Plus rental receipts are trackable.

Oh, I agree, just pointing out this is the type of boat I believe the FBI was referring to that is common to small lakes in IA for those not familiar with the area...

 

[cindysue]

Well I would think the water would be lower this year cause of the drought tho right?

 

[Sunlight]

Posted this video about missing Trudy Appleby on her WS thread and wondered if anything in that case is possibly related to this one...
Trudy Appleby went missing on August 21, 1996 - YouTube

It could. Actually IMO the girl looks like a combo of E and L. According to the description of the perp, the perp would be around 50ish today. MOO

 

[dotr]

Maybe LE is hot on the trail after getting DNA results, earlier post July 23.
http://wqad.com/2012/07/20/new-evidence-found-in-search-for-missing-iowa-girls/
The sheriff also said investigators did obtain new evidence July 20, which has been sent to a crime lab in Ankeny, Iowa for analysis. He declined to say what the new evidence was or where it was found.

He also would not comment on any possible pings to a cell phone reportedly carried by one of the girls".

 

[otto]

We are on the same page. Can't wrap my brain around someone staging the bikes unless they were meant to found....and that, to me, means family somehow would be relevant.

Staging, for me, means exactly that: the bikes were meant to be found at a location that would perplex investigators, take the investigation in the wrong direction and delay persuit of the perps. If the bikes were staged - and police believe this is a possibility - then it worked.

Can you explain which family member had the opportunity to stage the bikes? We know the children were riding their bikes at 12:15 near the Collin's home. All of the parents are accounted for at that time. They are accounted for between first announcement that the girls were missing and the discovery of the bikes. From my understanding, the parents are excluded from having anything to do with staging the bikes. That does not mean that criminals do not stage crime scenes to lead investigators in the wrong direction.

 

[Jules71]

The only way that the family would be involved in staging the bikes is if the children never went for a bike ride but were injured by a family member and then the bikes were places at the lake. Since the girls were seen on video at 12:15, uninjured and riding their bikes, I think that rules out that a family member did the above. Also, from all accounts, all of the parents were accounted for at the time that the children were abducted.

Apparently the police are considering the possibility that the bikes were put at the SE tip of Meyers Lake by the perp, so it must happen more often that one expects.

Unless it is not the girls on the video. How can LE say for sure? I am going to look st the video again. E was said to be wearing a white t shirt. I thought I remember both people on the video looking like they had dark shirts.

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[hollyblue]

OMG!! Thank you so much for posting and finding this. OMG is all I can say.:what:

Perp wanted the girls and the infants they were strolling? WTH?

 

[otto]

The van theory might still be valid when you consider that Lyric was riding a bike that was described as a mountain bike, not a little girls bike. The logistics of putting two girls and two bikes, one larger in size, into the van perhaps made it impossible.
Maybe the girls were snatched, the bikes were dropped, the suspects then throw the girls in the van, and then realize they can't fit the bikes in the van so they just ditch them there.

Mountain bikes fit into a vehicle easily ... quick release of the front tire makes the bike more compact.

 

[palaminodee]

Alright folks this is getting bad. Recent attempted abductions all with a white or black van, Colo, Slater, Cedar Rapids and now Indianola. All in a matter of weeks. I think it's the same person and he is getting braver.

It certainly is possible and would be difficult to catch unless someone gets a license plate or good ID on the guy...or it may be a copycat, that's what is so hard about this case to me.

If it is someone the girls know where the FBI can investigate possible suspects and get someone to break and blab what they know or saw, I would think they will find the perpetrator.

If it is a random person as above, it's going to be more difficult to find them.
Tips will be more from the public and what they observed.

Wish we knew?!

 

[otto]

Isn't the jetty visible in the pics of LE and the Police SUV?

Those pictures were taken after draining the lake for two days and still only a small portion of the drainage pipe is visible ... so yes, it is visible, but not entirely visible, and the photos do not reflect the water level on the day of the abduction.

 

[threecrazykids]

Ok, so does "sleuthing" include throwing out possible motives to the abduction?

I'm not talking about accusing anyone in the family or even non-family members - just trying to grasp at what motives people would have to make 2 of these little girls disappear.


We know the entire family has issues, but does any of the family turmoil warrant this type of "solution" to problems?

I don't exactly know what sleuthing can and can't entail. Listing out possible motives for this crime may spur ideas??? I don't know...

 

[hollyblue]

I suspect that the drainage pipe was under water on July 13. No "jetty" because it's submerged:

This pic was not taken any time recently. No foilage. How do get July 13th?