IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[otto]

IMO, the staging was purposeful and necessary to the perp....for the distraction factor. It gave the perp more time. :moo:

I think that the bikes were simply ditched in a place that seemed remote because the perp had to get rid of them at some point ... the sooner the better. Leaving the bikes exactly where the children were abducted leads police straight to the evidence of where the girls were abducted, but by grabbing the girls and their bikes, it's less likely that anyone nearby would notice that something was wrong and it obscures the crime scene.

 

[Sunlight]

I know that at least one water dog was deployed the first weekend but I do not know where.

If the girls' bodies had gone into the river, it is highly unlikely they would have gone undetected for this long. It's possible but unlikely.

I don't think the girls' bodies were left in the river or along the river necessarily...I think that may have been a route used to leave the area...and dogs may have tracked them in that direction..but I'm probably wrong. MOO

 

[CN2Souls]

I can't find a MSN link to the search of the river South of 380,
I do know that Kayaks went down it with LE from *cough *cough Downstairs...:winko:

 

[Sunlight]

The facts are...the bikes were left there with the purse, and the girls were not found. It is still possible in my opinion, that they could be found eventually nearby, and that the searchers missed them. My hope, on the other hand, is that they were taken by someone who wanted to keep them alive, which is still a possibility.

 

[otto]

Thank you!! Lots of good info in this article from the very early days. What I'm thinking is maybe this refers to the regular local LE dogs, and the FBI ones were brought in later but focused more on the lake? Just a guess.

That's my understanding as well. On the weekend of July 14/15, volunteer's dogs, or perhaps the local police German Shepherd, were brought along when 5 of the 12 square miles were searched, but FBI bloodhounds were used on July 18 at the lake. The FBI said that the tracking dogs would not be used again unless there were new leads. That is, the tracking dogs were not used all over Evansdale at any time.

 

[SapphireSteel]

"That was daddy's little girl. She's so awesome, so full of life," said Morrissey, Lyric Cook's Father.

:what:

 

[CN2Souls]

I think that the bikes were simply ditched in a place that seemed remote because the perp had to get rid of them at some point ... the sooner the better. Leaving the bikes exactly where the children were abducted leads police straight to the evidence of where the girls were abducted, but by grabbing the girls and their bikes, it's less likely that anyone nearby would notice that something was wrong and it obscures the crime scene.

I totally Agree!!

With moving the Bike IF the Abduction Was say "at your House " or "near you Business" It makes it so there is no way for LE to work the "real" crime scene.
But if they were just riding on the street I can't see them taking the bike to the lake...

 

[nikb]

I can't find a MSN link to the search of the river South of 380,
I do know that Kayaks went down it with LE from *cough *cough Downstairs...:winko:

http://www.radioiowa.com/2012/07/15/few-clues-in-disappearance-of-two-northeast-iowa-girls/

Credit goes to SapphireSteel for finding this article (thank you!) from the early days. It doesn't specify exactly where on the river they searched but it does say this, BBM: Boats and search parties were combing a nearby stretch of the Cedar River for clues.

 

[Sunlight]

http://www.radioiowa.com/2012/07/15/few-clues-in-disappearance-of-two-northeast-iowa-girls/

Credit goes to SapphireSteel for finding this article (thank you!) from the early days. It doesn't specify exactly where on the river they searched but it does say this, BBM: Boats and search parties were combing a nearby stretch of the Cedar River for clues.

Wonder if they found any? MOO

 

[cindersoot]

JMHO...but I haven't seen anything confirming that those woods were thoroughly searched (shoulder to shoulder), because they are very dense and full of poison ivy apparently. I've seen footage of volunteers walking through open areas and semi-wooded areas, but not thrashing through what those woods look like to me. MOO

I don't know where the "full of poison ivy " came from, because I highly dought it's that thick, if at all. And Yes the searchers and FBI searched that area very well.

 

[Sunlight]

I don't know where the "full of poison ivy " came from, because I highly dought it's that thick, if at all. And Yes the searchers and FBI searched that area very well.[/QUOTE

LOL...I think maybe Ollipop mentioned the poison ivy..I dunno

 

[ShyViolet]

I don't think the girls' bodies were left in the river or along the river necessarily...I think that may have been a route used to leave the area...and dogs may have tracked them in that direction..but I'm probably wrong. MOO

Hopefully we will have the opportunity to find out which theories were wrong or right. And hopefully, the theories that turn out to be "right" are those that have the girls coming out of this alive and as unscathed as possible. For now, though, I know that I very much appreciate hearing different ideas and possibilities and the people like you and others who are willing to brainstorm.

 

[cindersoot]

Maybe use a stretchy scarf to tie it to you?

Or maybe somehow mount it onto your handlebars?

I might try just mounting my handlebars so I don't get strange looks.

 

[cindersoot]

Members of a police SWAT team have surrounded a house that's located deep inside a wooded area. Gardner says authorities have made contact and are negotiating with one person in the home, but don't know whether others may be inside.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...er-discovering-body-3813030.php#ixzz24UsLD0Aw

Is this related to the dead man story?

 

[Sunlight]

It is entirely possible that if this case is ever resolved, it could just be some crazy freak that nobody ever heard of suspected. Gah!!

 

[Sunlight]

Is this related to the dead man story?

Yes it is.

 

[MNDad]

"That was daddy's little girl. She's so awesome, so full of life," said Morrissey, Lyric Cook's Father.

:what:

I saw that too and I felt sad that he referred to her in past tense.

 

[GrainneDhu]

That's my understanding as well. On the weekend of July 14/15, volunteer's dogs, or perhaps the local police German Shepherd, were brought along when 5 of the 12 square miles were searched, but FBI bloodhounds were used on July 18 at the lake. The FBI said that the tracking dogs would not be used again unless there were new leads. That is, the tracking dogs were not used all over Evansdale at any time.

Well, lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

The trailing dogs may have been tried in other locations but had no results.

As for the dogs deployed the first weekend, they were from the local SAR organisations.

 

[palaminodee]

I saw that too and I felt sad that he referred to her in past tense.

JVM show on 8/17 from the transcripts, TB spoke is the past too!

Lyric lived in Waterloo and Elizabeth lived in Evansdale. It was a secluded area where the girls came up missing, you know. My thoughts just tend to continue to lean towards a pedophile; he got his opportunity.

BBM

 

[GrainneDhu]

I don't know where the "full of poison ivy " came from, because I highly dought it's that thick, if at all. And Yes the searchers and FBI searched that area very well.[/QUOTE

LOL...I think maybe Ollipop mentioned the poison ivy..I dunno

As I recall, I asked Ollipop if that little patch of woods had poison ivy in it and he said no. He said there was some type of vine but it wasn't poison ivy. My guess would be bindweed (related to morning glory).

Ollipop also said that the woods have been cleared out a good deal and it no longer looks the way it did before 13 July.