IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #18

[SapphireSteel]

Hope things aren't getting OT here, but I wanted to add one of my experiences with pigs/hogs.

When I was in my teens, I spent a lot of time on a friend's farm. They had mainly crops, but did keep several pigs in a barn, mostly for personal consumption; they had a large family.

One day while a bunch of us were messing around, one of the guys through part of his lunch to a sow, I can't remember if it was ham or pork chop, but I know it came from a pig. Everybody started laughing and calling her a cannibal because she gobbled it up right away. The next day they had to butcher her; she had eaten all of her babies and was trying to break through to the next pen to get after the pigs in there.

We were told after that to never give any kind of meat to a pig, because once they get a taste for it they can sometimes become obsessed with it.

Sorry ot again but I had to share

Most pigs will eat anything.

My ex knew personally of a pig many years ago which had climbed some stairs inside a farmhouse and eaten a sleeping baby.

I think their sense of smell is very strong, as is their desire to eat everything in sight.

They are very intelligent also.

Friends had a pet pig who lived indoors and slept in their sons room...he showed no signs of wanting to eat anything except ice cream and pancakes...but he was bonded with the family, like another child. He actually used to "tidy up" after their son if he left clothes lying on the floor, the pig would gather them all in a pile by the door for laundering.

They are naturally very clean.

He's passed away now and it was like losing a child for them...and most people who knew him.

 

[Sunlight]

I've come to the conclusion that LE either has absolutely nothing or they have perpetrator(s) in mind and under surveillance and don't want to tip them off that they are on to them. This is just insane. I feel bad for the families and can't imagine how they function at all.

 

[daisynae]

I've come to the conclusion that LE either has absolutely nothing or they have perpetrator(s) in mind and under surveillance and don't want to tip them off that they are on to them. This is just insane. I feel bad for the families and can't imagine how they function at all.

With so much press on this story why the heck (but would so much like to cuss right now) are they not giving any updates at all on this!
It is Iowa they cannot have that much news going on that they can't sqeeze in some news about this case.

Now I am not saying anything bad in any way about Iowa I have friends there.
I am talking (typing) about the police.
The whole thing is shady,
They act like they do not think that they are in danger, remember them stating that when the girls first went missing!
Then went and tried to backtrack that.
Why?

I am so tired of police not trying to help us help them, by keeping
the word out there for these little girls.
Are they getting complaints that they are focussing too much time
on this case.
Ask the town.
I bet they would say NO, NO, NO!

 

[SapphireSteel]

With so much press on this story why the heck (but would so much like to cuss right now) are they not giving any updates at all on this!
It is Iowa they cannot have that much news going on that they can't sqeeze in some news about this case.

Now I am not saying anything bad in any way about Iowa I have friends there.
I am talking (typing) about the police.
The whole thing is shady,
They act like they do not think that they are in danger, remember them stating that when the girls first went missing!
Then went and tried to backtrack that.
Why?

I am so tired of police not trying to help us help them, by keeping
the word out there for these little girls.
Are they getting complaints that they are focussing too much time
on this case.
Ask the town.
I bet they would say NO, NO, NO!

LE are getting a lot of derision for this case.

I ask myself, what if they know something we don't?

What if their behaviour and perceived lack of action is because they already know what has happened to the girls, that they are not recoverable, and LE is working on proving it?

:cow:

 

[daisynae]

LE are getting a lot of derision for this case.

I ask myself, what if they know something we don't?

What if their behaviour and perceived lack of action is because they already know what has happened to the girls, that they are not recoverable, and LE is working on proving it?

:cow:

I pray that is not true but even if it were at least come out and say We are working on
the case and we are not giving up, anything but say something.

 

[GrainneDhu]

With so much press on this story why the heck (but would so much like to cuss right now) are they not giving any updates at all on this!
It is Iowa they cannot have that much news going on that they can't sqeeze in some news about this case.

Now I am not saying anything bad in any way about Iowa I have friends there.
I am talking (typing) about the police.
The whole thing is shady,
They act like they do not think that they are in danger, remember them stating that when the girls first went missing!
Then went and tried to backtrack that.
Why?

I am so tired of police not trying to help us help them, by keeping
the word out there for these little girls.
Are they getting complaints that they are focussing too much time
on this case.
Ask the town.
I bet they would say NO, NO, NO!

Actually, Iowa news is rife with politics and it will stay that way until November. <sigh>

As for updates, I'm not sure what LE would say. If they don't have anything they want to release to the public, what do they say? We're still investigating and we're still playing it close to the vest?

It was the FBI spokesperson, Sandy Breault, who started the bunny running with her statement that they had reason to believe the girls were still alive. Now that the FBI is out of town, the truth is coming out and it is exactly as many experienced WS'ers guessed: since there is no evidence of death, they were assuming the girls are still alive.

Over the next 2.5 months or so, the harvest will come in and that may or may not reveal something. Deer hunting season starts 15 September (youth hunting) and that may also lead to some sort of discovery.

It seems to me that all the general public can do is keep spreading the word. Which is happening.

 

[LaylaD]

I believe Abben said the bikes were Processed...

Along with the purse....

I was looking for the link where Abben said "he would not discuss what ALL was found with the bikes."

Anyone remember that...

It might be in the July 17 presser. I' m not able to watch the video now, so I can't confirm. (I also can't easily add links from this tablet, but I linked all the pressers in the media/timeline thread.) The 17 th is when Abben discussed the purse, cell phone, bikes, etc. The abov equote may have been in response to a question.

Also, in one of the early pressers, Abben speecifically states a different time for when LE were looking for witnesses to come forward if they had seen the girls. IIRC the original request was for before 12:15 - and then I believe it was in the Mon (16th) presser that the time was shifted to between noon and three.

If someone wants to watch the videos and report? I won't be back at a real computer until tomorow or Sat.

 

[TeenyTaurus]

This may be a really stupid question that has already been ask, please forgive me if it has.
I know that even if a cell phone has no service you can still call 911 on them.
I noticed A tower at the end of Phillips Ave by the river. Just off River Forest Dr.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO would such a phone Ping towers?

Actually, yes they would. I have more than one old, "discontinued" cell phone, all of which still work, they are just no longer able to place and receive personal, paid for calls and text messages (etc). All still DO, however, ping local towers, their clocks update correctly, and all can still call 911 (required by law). I can still even play DL'ed games on them. <lol> The bars go up and down in relation to my somewhat ify service.

 

[CN2Souls]

:banghead::banghead::banghead:


What if, LE is being silent for another reason...

(not just to upset WS posters) <<<<That was a Joke don't Flame me...:giggle:


What if they are trying to draw someone out, by saying nothing at all, It must be driving the perp/Perps nuts not knowing what LE has or is thinking...:waitasec:

 

[Sere-nity]

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...9b-001a4bcf887a/500466cd6be80.preview-620.jpg

Is this the picture you're referring to?

that's the one

 

[CN2Souls]

It might be in the July 17 presser. I' m not able to watch the video now, so I can't confirm. (I also can't easily add links from this tablet, but I linked all the pressers in the media/time line thread.) The 17 th is when Abben discussed the purse, cell phone, bikes, etc. The above quote may have been in response to a question.

Also, in one of the early pressers, Abbe specifically states a different time for when LE were looking for witnesses to come forward if they had seen the girls. IIRC the original request was for before 12:15 - and then I believe it was in the Mon (16th) presser that the time was shifted to between noon and three.

If someone wants to watch the videos and report? I won't be back at a real computer until tomorrow or Sat.

Thank you, You are right it was to a question I think a reporter asked about "what else was found with the bikes besides the purse" and he said he couldn't comment on what ALL was found with the bikes...

Actually, yes they would. I have more than one old, "discontinued" cell phone, all of which still work, they are just no longer able to place and receive personal, paid for calls and text messages (etc). All still DO, however, ping local towers, their clocks update correctly, and all can still call 911 (required by law). I can still even play DL'ed games on them. <lol> The bars go up and down in relation to my somewhat iffy service.

Thank you, yes I tried it with my cell phone and ATandT and they told me even if it has no service on it at all when it is on it will ping the tower it is near....

Sooooooooooooooooooooo that brings me back to the question, Elizabeth's cell phone, there is a tower on Lafayette and another close to Myers lake, I wonder if her cell pings from her phone would be on either of those towers.

ETA: Oh and after a day of reading "pig" post... Post about pigs... I was Going pig crazy and decided to watch my Favorite show, Hoarders, buried alive. And what is the first thing the guy says...... I keep buying pigs because my twin sister is a "pig Farmer" in Iowa...
I almost died!!! :lol:

 

[Thespyma]

Your question isn't stupid, IMO. On one of the previous threads some discussions took place about the cell phone and whether it pinged. IIRC, a cell phone will not ping if it does not have service, but 911 still works.

ETA: I found this article: http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5409997_do-police-track-cell-phones.html

"The phone does not have to be actively engaged in a call to be connected to cells, but it must be turned on; phones in the "off" position or those with no batteries do not register with the cellular carrier's network and cannot be tracked."

IF the girls had been taught that they can make 911 calls on cell phones and they still had the phone, they could try to dial 911. Even if a perp saw them and took the phone after the call was initiated but before they could talk, the phone automatically pings the closest tower, even if the phone has only emergency (911) capability. This works only if the phone is turned on and the battery is not dead. No calls other than 911 can be dialed of course, but a 911 call on a no paid service cell WILL ping a tower if 911 is dialed. No need to speak or keep the call open.

Sadly I have learned quite a bit about cell phones and pings this past few days...another missing person case. This time a friend...the outcome was the worst. I am a bit of a mess right now. His cell pinged a tower not at his location, because he threw the phone out of his car. My daughter has a no service android and it will ping if she dials 911...and has the phone with her. Doesn't help if it is thrown out, except to say where the person (or perp) discarded the phone. I am sure that LE has checked to see if there were pings from the phone. If they have info think they want to keep a lot of that info hush hush until they have a case built up. IMO

 

[TeenyTaurus]

IF the girls had been taught that they can make 911 calls on cell phones and they still had the phone, they could try to dial 911. Even if a perp saw them and took the phone after the call was initiated but before they could talk, the phone automatically pings the closest tower, even if the phone has only emergency (911) capability. This works only if the phone is turned on and the battery is not dead. No calls other than 911 can be dialed of course, but a 911 call on a no paid service cell WILL ping a tower if 911 is dialed. No need to speak or keep the call open.

Sadly I have learned quite a bit about cell phones and pings this past few days...another missing person case. This time a friend...the outcome was the worst. I am a bit of a mess right now. His cell pinged a tower not at his location, because he threw the phone out of his car. My daughter has a no service android and it will ping if she dials 911...and has the phone with her. Doesn't help if it is thrown out, except to say where the person (or perp) discarded the phone. I am sure that LE has checked to see if there were pings from the phone. If they have info think they want to keep a lot of that info hush hush until they have a case built up. IMO

First off, I wish to express my sympathies to you, thespymom, for your situation with your friend. <hugs>
I wonder if maybe, just maybe, the cell phone in the purse did ping, and such may have caused LE to look around that area the purse and bikes were found? Then again, and I cannot for the life of me find anything to verify this, but I swear I saw that the cell phone was found broken? Has anyone else seen this?
Sadly, while such pinging could be pinpointed to an area, it doesn't always pinpoint exactly. I learned this in a local case a couple of years ago, where a victim's cell phone pinged until the battery died (hours later), and only got LE within about 400 feet of the phone. So much depends upon service, tower locations, terrain, etc. <sigh>

 

[Simp]

Originally Posted by otto
Recent reports are that even though little information is released to the public, they are still very actively searching for the girls. They are obviously interviewing people and asking them to take lie detector tests. The last I read was that they raided a property

Did you find a link about this Otto?? The comment you made about lie detector tests has me very interested.TIA

 

[Considering]

:sigh:

 

[otto]

Originally Posted by otto
Recent reports are that even though little information is released to the public, they are still very actively searching for the girls. They are obviously interviewing people and asking them to take lie detector tests. The last I read was that they raided a property

Did you find a link about this Otto?? The comment you made about lie detector tests has me very interested.TIA

Now I know why I didn't grab the link when I first saw the comment ... it's the examiner ... not exactly journalism.

"Just this week detectives with the local PD and FBI agents swarmed a property, showing that they are in fact continuing the search for the two missing Iowa cousins with great dedication."

http://www.examiner.com/article/missing-iowa-girls-update-leads-still-investigated-by-officials

Regarding lie detector tests, I'm simply assuming that because the family was required to do them, others will also be expected to do them.

 

[Simp]

I'm just so afraid we are slowly getting colder and colder.................
I can't help but think if this were my child, I would be going crazy.... NUTS!!!!!

 

[Sunlight]

At one point they did say they had several persons of interest. MOO

 

[TxLady2]

Actually, yes they would. I have more than one old, "discontinued" cell phone, all of which still work, they are just no longer able to place and receive personal, paid for calls and text messages (etc). All still DO, however, ping local towers, their clocks update correctly, and all can still call 911 (required by law). I can still even play DL'ed games on them. <lol> The bars go up and down in relation to my somewhat ify service.

What about if the battery is dead? The phone I use now has to be charged evre day, otherwise shuts itself off. Would a phone without a battery ping? What about the SIM card, will they still work without it??
What I don't know about cell phones and pings, etc., would fill a big thick book.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I'm just so afraid we are slowly getting colder and colder.................
I can't help but think if this were my child, I would be going crazy.... NUTS!!!!!

I've felt this way for the past week or so.
The longer the girls are missing , the less likely they'll
come home alive. I continue to pray for the girls daily and
I wish with all my might that I'll come here and read
that they're home, alive and well.
Imoo