IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #19

[Marilynilpa]

Anyone would think LE believes accuracy of the timeline to be relatively unimportant...or not important enough to confirm.


:waitasec:

I think LE knows everything about the timeline they need to know. Maybe we do too, but we just don't know it?

BTW: Our theories often clash, but it's nice to have you back. Healthy debate is always a plus, IMO:seeya:

 

[SapphireSteel]

I think LE knows everything about the timeline they need to know. Maybe we do too, but we just don't know it?

BTW: Our theories often clash, but it's nice to have you back. Healthy debate is always a plus, IMO:seeya:

Thank you very kind.

It is in "clashing" theories that you learn the most.

It forces you to think in different ways.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Well, there was a definite sighting of the bikes by a person who pinpointed the time. We have a direct quote from the FBI on that (see the link in my last post). The only question is if the FBI agent mistakenly said runner when it was really a biker. I thought that at first, but now I am fairly sure that there is a verified sighting of the bikes at 2PM, so I do tend to think it was really a runner that saw them and that she did not just misspeak.

Well, lol I'm with Cinder I wish the runner -if there is a runner -would come forward and say I saw the girls at such a such time and place.
Id also like world peace so I will sit by and see what comes out.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Is it possible the whole timeline is off because grandma isn't right on her times? I mean maybe she is to embarrassed to say she wasn't paying attention to the time.

Grandma's time was backed up by the videotape shot out back of Cornbelt Auctions.

 

[CHERIE.T]

BROUSSEAU: Absolutely. Absolutely. I feel in my heart that there are a lot of pedophiles that live in that area. Myers Lake is not a very large lake. It has the bike trail that runs around it.

When my mother and I, the grandmother who was babysitting, when my mother and I went on our search for them, and this was at about a quarter to 3 -- and keep in mind the last they were seen was at 11:30 a.m., when they told mom they were going on the bike ride. So that is the last time they were for sure seen. And now, it`s going on to -- it`s getting close to being a quarter to 3.

We stop at Meyers Lake. I said, "Mom, drive me to Meyer Lake." I had Elizabeth`s older brother who`s 12, K with us. And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30." Now, whether he`s telling the truth or not, they do have this man`s name. You know, I don`t know. Whether he`s a person of interest, I don`t know.

But the girls` bike did trail around and ended up on the south side of the lake by the interstate, which would be 380, I-380.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

RBBM

So, TB Witness say He Saw THEM!!!!!

Not just their Bikes

But one said east and one said the girls were going west.:banghead:
which was it? scratching head

 

[GrainneDhu]

IF the girls are hidden somewhere -- say in a home, in a shed, in a barn, etc.--
shouldn't LE use dogs again to search the entire 2-5 mile perimeter?
I'm not talking about the farmlands that GD suggested but the search of actual
buildings?

I know LE may have possibly already done this,
but
if not, I just hate thinking the girls have been missing this long....Im afraid an actual foot search is no longer being done.
IMHO
Praying for Lyric and Lizzy!

LE has been carrying out targeted searches after that first weekend. They are not asking for volunteers at this time.

My guess is that since LE has to get permission from every property owner or tenant to search private property, they prefer to do the targeted searches only rather than the logistical nightmare of trying to get permission from hundreds or thousands of different land owners or tenants.

What I mean by targeted search is one in while LE has some reason to believe the girls may be there.

 

[CHERIE.T]

TAMMY RUSSO, AUNT OF MISSING GIRLS: Absolutely not. There was nothing that seemed terribly out of the ordinary. There was a little boy fishing, and he had been there a long time. I asked him as well, when I first approached and started asking random people. I said, "Did you see two little girls on a bicycle? He said "No". I said, "How long have you been here?" He said, "A long time."

So when I told you a man said that he had seen them going east on the bike trial, whether that was true or not, yes, they have his name, they know who he is. But it appears what he said was true because like I said the lake wraps around and the bikes were found on the south side. And that`s where the girls --
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

RBBM

I think this man Has spoken to LE and they have all his info and he has not spoken to the press, which in my opinion is good.

:takeabow:

 

[GrainneDhu]

Cherie the site is very slow. Was there a runner who saw the bikes, or is that a rumor?

Sandy Breault, spokesperson for the FBI, cited a runner that saw the bicycles around 2 pm. As far as I know, that person has not chosen to come forward to the media.

So, I'd call it confirmed but very little public detail. Not even the gender of the runner is known to the public.

ETA: Oops, read further and the gender was specified: a man.

 

[CHERIE.T]

My personal Opinion,
If LE Believe the Girls to be alive,

They maybe holding information back so that they stay alive and the abductor doesn't get spooked and do something horrible to the girls to make a fast get away.

CN2,
I want them to be alive more than anything.
I feel though that if they were alive
and LE knew where
they were-----
the FBI would have them rescued by now.
moo

 

[nikb]

On the Black Hawk Sheriff's office site, right under the poster with the 2 pm time is the following statement:

Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook were last seen at approximately 12:15pm on Friday July 13th in Evansdale. If you have ANY information about the whereabouts of these two girls please contact authorities immediately or call 911.

http://www.bhcso.org/

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Thanks for the link. Hm. Is this the same poster that originally had Lyric at 5'11"? I think it is, it looks familiar. It's weird to me that such specific details (girls' height, time last seen) are/have been so far off.

 

[CHERIE.T]

BBM I think this is so far beyond unlikely, I've never even considered it possible. Even if they did mis-speak so long ago, I can't imagine them not clarifying what they meant by now. If they're asking for every little thing to be called in but can't tell a biker from a runner that's a serious problem.

I do still wonder where the 2:00 on some of the missing posters came from. Maybe a runner who went to LE but not the media.

Sorry nikb. I was just stating my opinion which is what I think elmom was referring too. -:blushing::moo:

 

[SapphireSteel]

I found it significant that they would publish the possibility that the girls may be (willingly) disguised.

If you add that into Breaults statement that "we are sure they are alive", then you've got a whole other scenario...the possibility that the girls are indeed still alive and actively hiding.

What would be the motivation?

A whole other can of worms.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Anyone would think LE believes accuracy of the timeline to be relatively unimportant...or not important enough to confirm.


:waitasec:

HEY :seeya::seeya:
welcome back!!

 

[CHERIE.T]

If the cctv camera was 8 minutes slow (12:19) and TG made the phone call from at 12:27, and the girls were seen by someone at 12:30 that was not TG that's a problem.

If the cctv camera was 12:15 and TG made a phone call from at 12:27, and the girls were seen by someone at 12:30 then that's interesting indeed.

If the cctv camera was 12:11 and TG made a phone call from at 12:27, and the girls were seen by someone at 12:30 then that is doable.

If the girls were not seen by anyone between 12:15 and 2:00..that's a major problem.

Also, the 12:30 "sighting" of the girls could be something else, somewhere else, on video or seen.

MOO

:banghead: I KNOW!!!
I swear.....this is driving me to to drink.....more caffeine.

The unknown timeline is so important IMO as far as who saw the girls last and who could have POSSIBLY seen the kidnapper. my head hurts.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Jumping off your post--Assuming that 8 minute timeline is correct ( I am skeptical) the girls did not just make it to the lake in 8 minutes, they made it there and were already disappeared in 8 minutes. I would be interested to know if someone could bike from the area near the Collins' home to the lake, drop their bike(s) near the gate, then also walk to either the grassy or wooded area, all within the 8 minutes?

b b m
Thats why I think the 8 minute time is off, jmho.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Oh I would. If your innocent, then so what.

Would you go to the media if LE specifically asked you not to?

LE usually asks witnesses not to go to the media so as not to compromise their case (both in finding the victims and in a potential prosecution).

 

[GrainneDhu]

BROUSSEAU: Absolutely. Absolutely. I feel in my heart that there are a lot of pedophiles that live in that area. Myers Lake is not a very large lake. It has the bike trail that runs around it.

When my mother and I, the grandmother who was babysitting, when my mother and I went on our search for them, and this was at about a quarter to 3 -- and keep in mind the last they were seen was at 11:30 a.m., when they told mom they were going on the bike ride. So that is the last time they were for sure seen. And now, it`s going on to -- it`s getting close to being a quarter to 3.

We stop at Meyers Lake. I said, "Mom, drive me to Meyer Lake." I had Elizabeth`s older brother who`s 12, K with us. And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30." Now, whether he`s telling the truth or not, they do have this man`s name. You know, I don`t know. Whether he`s a person of interest, I don`t know.

But the girls` bike did trail around and ended up on the south side of the lake by the interstate, which would be 380, I-380.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

RBBM

So, TB Witness say He Saw THEM!!!!!

Not just their Bikes

What he said he saw was two girls described. It could have been a case of mistaken identity.

In any case, since LE has the witness's name, I'm sure he has been interviewed.

 

[CHERIE.T]

LE has been carrying out targeted searches after that first weekend. They are not asking for volunteers at this time.

My guess is that since LE has to get permission from every property owner or tenant to search private property, they prefer to do the targeted searches only rather than the logistical nightmare of trying to get permission from hundreds or thousands of different land owners or tenants.

What I mean by targeted search is one in while LE has some reason to believe the girls may be there.

b b m
Makes perfect sense.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I found it significant that they would publish the possibility that the girls may be (willingly) disguised.

If you add that into Breaults statement that "we are sure they are alive", then you've got a whole other scenario...the possibility that the girls are indeed still alive and actively hiding.

What would be the motivation?

A whole other can of worms.

Mentioning that along with a description of physical features of the girls that could be important-- definitely made me sit up.
I know and respect that some here think the 6 points were only generic statements.

I'm considering the 6 points more literally.

The girls were abducted.
Abducted by someone known to Edale.
The girls may have changed their physical appearance.

IDk those sound pretty darn specific to me.
imho

 

[CHERIE.T]

What he said he saw was two girls described. It could have been a case of mistaken identity.

In any case, since LE has the witness's name, I'm sure he has been interviewed.

Grainne, I wonder if the witnesses got their days mixed up. :waitasec: