IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #19

[Marilynilpa]

Marlilynilpa,
Quite honestly I fear this is when the girls were abducted.
Imo this time frame is critical ---if only someone at the park
saw the girls or a vehicle or something, during that time.

imoo

Oh, I agree with you - the time frame is very important. Unfortunately, we don't know where they went after they were seen on the CCTV video and prior to their bikes being found at 2:00. IMO, the sighting by TG of two bikes at approx. 12:20 could indicate the girls had ridden to the lake after they were captured on CCTV.

I wish someone would come forward with any kind of info that could lead to finding these little girls.

 

[cindersoot]

Does anyone know if there is a lot of harvesting of corn and beans in Evansdale area?

 

[BethInAK]

so this case became distressing and frustrating to me because nothing ever changed or happened and we got no closer to finding lyric and elizabeth.

I stopped watching the thread for probably almost two weeks.

I stopped in with hopeful thoughts that something had happened, but it seems this is really a cold case - there is nothing going on?

<sigh> how incredibly depressing.

 

[TeenyTaurus]

On Friday, July 13, 2012, Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook went for a bike ride in their hometown of Evansdale, Iowa, a small town that borders the eastern side of Waterloo, Iowa. The girls were seen riding their bikes at 12:30 p.m. that day. At approximately 2:00 p.m., their bikes were found near a gate on the trail that goes around Meyers Lake. Elizabeth and Lyric are still missing.

LE typically states facts, not "witness reports" that could be off [ie: WC]. I suspect the 12:30 p.m. is from a camera that caught them actually on their bikes, closer to home. If so, then this could explain LE's disregard concerning TG's timeframe, which couldn't possibly fit before 12:30 then. "Approximately" in the 2 p.m. reference could then apply to another witness who found the bikes.
I've wondered what may have prompted the fireman to go look at that location and find the bikes at around 4 p.m.. Heather Collins reported them missing around 2:45-3 p.m., so there was a good hour there for perhaps the media broadcasting missing girls on bikes, or even the word spread (small town), so maybe the 2 p.m. bike witness called in what they had seen after hearing about missing kids on bikes, prompting the fireman to go take a look?
Or maybe that LE door-knocking paid off?

 

[TeenyTaurus]

So it must of been a rumor. Do you think the boy fishing was also a rumor?

http://m.wcfcourier.com/news/local/...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

Here's a link to that PC.

“There was a gentleman who regularly runs around the lake. He didn’t see either one of the girls ... but he did see their bikes and he was able to pinpoint the time of the day that he saw the bikes. Small details like this are really important to the investigation,” she said.

And there's the wordage used that caused so much confusion. <lol> She didn't say "rides," she said "runs," but... who knows, eh?

 

[cindersoot]

On Friday, July 13, 2012, Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook went for a bike ride in their hometown of Evansdale, Iowa, a small town that borders the eastern side of Waterloo, Iowa. The girls were seen riding their bikes at 12:30 p.m. that day. At approximately 2:00 p.m., their bikes were found near a gate on the trail that goes around Meyers Lake. Elizabeth and Lyric are still missing.

LE typically states facts, not "witness reports" that could be off [ie: WC]. I suspect the 12:30 p.m. is from a camera that caught them actually on their bikes, closer to home. If so, then this could explain LE's disregard concerning TG's timeframe, which couldn't possibly fit before 12:30 then. "Approximately" in the 2 p.m. reference could then apply to another witness who found the bikes.
I've wondered what may have prompted the fireman to go look at that location and find the bikes at around 4 p.m.. Heather Collins reported them missing around 2:45-3 p.m., so there was a good hour there for perhaps the media broadcasting missing girls on bikes, or even the word spread (small town), so maybe the 2 p.m. bike witness called in what they had seen after hearing about missing kids on bikes, prompting the fireman to go take a look?
Or maybe that LE door-knocking paid off?

You said Le typically states facts, but remember when LE also said that the girls could not have rode their bikes to the lake in 8 minutes? Well that wasn't taken seriously I thought because they didn't think it could be done.

 

[Marilynilpa]

http://m.wcfcourier.com/news/local/...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

Here's a link to that PC.

“There was a gentleman who regularly runs around the lake. He didn’t see either one of the girls ... but he did see their bikes and he was able to pinpoint the time of the day that he saw the bikes. Small details like this are really important to the investigation,” she said.

And there's the wordage used that caused so much confusion. <lol> She didn't say "rides," she said "runs," but... who knows, eh?

Thanks, you saved me from having to search for the link and cook dinner at the same time!

 

[TeenyTaurus]

You said Le typically states facts, but remember when LE also said that the girls could not have rode their bikes to the lake in 8 minutes? Well that wasn't taken seriously I thought because they didn't think it could be done.

As I recall, it wasn't LE who stated that, it was Mr. Pahl from the auction house.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Boy, if that runner came forward and saw something that would be huge.

For all we know, the runner has already come forward to LE. But unlike TG, he may not want his identity known. JMO

 

[cindersoot]

Why wasn't the runners timeline of seeing the bikes mentioned anywhere?

 

[cindersoot]

As I recall, it wasn't LE who stated that, it was Mr. Pahl from the auction house.

The sheriff of Evansdale said that in a news conference.

 

[cindersoot]

For all we know, the runner has already come forward to LE. But unlike TG, he may not want his identity known. JMO

Did the runner say when he saw the bikes?

 

[TeenyTaurus]

::thumps forehead" You are correct, he did! Do you by chance have either a link to that PC or a date of when it was? Tied in to other things early on, "8 minutes" still looked rather odd. After doing my own little experiment here on my bike, I found 8 minutes extremely tight myself, and would have questioned such. MOO

 

[Marilynilpa]

Did the runner say when he saw the bikes?

All I know comes from the link someone posted a few posts ago where FBI referred to a runner spotting the bikes. No time was mentioned, but some of us have speculated that he is the one who found the girls' bikes at 2:00.

 

[Sunlight]

If the cctv camera was 8 minutes slow (12:19) and TG made the phone call from at 12:27, and the girls were seen by someone at 12:30 that was not TG that's a problem.

If the cctv camera was 12:15 and TG made a phone call from at 12:27, and the girls were seen by someone at 12:30 then that's interesting indeed.

If the cctv camera was 12:11 and TG made a phone call from at 12:27, and the girls were seen by someone at 12:30 then that is doable.

If the girls were not seen by anyone between 12:15 and 2:00..that's a major problem.

Also, the 12:30 "sighting" of the girls could be something else, somewhere else, on video or seen.

MOO

 

[Marilynilpa]

::thumps forehead" You are correct, he did! Do you by chance have either a link to that PC or a date of when it was? Tied in to other things early on, "8 minutes" still looked rather odd. After doing my own little experiment here on my bike, I found 8 minutes extremely tight myself, and would have questioned such. MOO

Here's a link I've found:

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_c7394e3c-d6a6-11e1-a4f3-0019bb2963f4.html

Quote: &#8220;It&#8217;s pretty hard for girls to get a mile and a half away ... in eight minutes,&#8221; Pahl said. &#8220;I don&#8217;t even think I could ride a bike a mile in eight minutes.&#8221;

BBM

ETA: I can't find a link where Abben said that.

 

[Marilynilpa]

The sheriff of Evansdale said that in a news conference.

Can you provide a link? I've searched and all I can find so far is the link I posted wherein Pahl makes the comment about 8 minutes. TIA.

 

[Sunlight]

If a witness told TB that he saw the girls on their bikes at 2:30, but the bikes were "found" at 2:00...ummm...that's another problem. MOO

 

[cindersoot]

Here's a link I've found:

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_c7394e3c-d6a6-11e1-a4f3-0019bb2963f4.html

Quote: “It’s pretty hard for girls to get a mile and a half away ... in eight minutes,” Pahl said. “I don’t even think I could ride a bike a mile in eight minutes.”

BBM

ETA: I can't find a link where Abben said that.

Yes thats it!

 

[TeenyTaurus]

Here's a link I've found:

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_c7394e3c-d6a6-11e1-a4f3-0019bb2963f4.html

Quote: “It’s pretty hard for girls to get a mile and a half away ... in eight minutes,” Pahl said. “I don’t even think I could ride a bike a mile in eight minutes.”

BBM

ETA: I can't find a link where Abben said that.

Thank you. In that article, both Abben and Pahl are 'quoted,' so is that the confusion here? Is it just me, or is this entire thing full of confusion? <lol>
Still, as time went on, that timeline only served to bother me even more. Something is just... hinky, period.