IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

[JaimeInLA]

Per the police statement: Dan Morrissey and Misty Cook are not considered to be suspects. That's good enough for me.

We know that's good enough for you. It is not good enough for many of us. We have heard that dozens of times before in other cases, where the "not suspects" were later arrested and convicted.

And while that may be good enough for you, it in no way answered the question that you quoted.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I am very surprised that Heather would read online comments about the case. It just seems very risky. Comments about cases are never 100% positive. I have read comments about a case, and got very offended, and I wasn't even related to the victim. I have no idea why she would read comments on the CVM page.

Heck, someone even posted a huge paragraph about why Heather is a "bad mother" (their words), and basically, an all-around horrible person. I really hope Heather did not read that comment.

I saw that comment, too, and it was horrible. I'm not sure why Heather reads that page. I've noticed Drew often posts comments on the CVM page.

 

[otto]

We know that's good enough for you. It is not good enough for many of us. We have heard that dozens of times before in other cases, where the "not suspects" were later arrested and convicted.

And while that may be good enough for you, it in no way answered the question that you quoted.

Would you happen to know of a case where police have said that someone was not considered a suspect and then that same person was arrested?

 

[Marilynilpa]

I may be mistaken about them being divorced. I read months ago that they were in the process of divorce and assumed that it must be done by now. Perhaps they're dragging their feet on the paperwork.

Tammy mentioned a couple of times that Dan and Misty were in the process of divorcing, but other than her comments, I've read nothing else regarding that.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Would you happen to know of a case where police have said that someone was not considered a suspect and then that same person was arrested?

Otto, please refer to my post (a few posts back) where I addressed that. Thanks.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Other than the fact that Dan is a drug addict, why would anyone think that he had anything to do with the murders?

If Dan's drug use had something to do with the murders, why was Elizabeth murdered? There must be a drug connection to Elizabeth too ... or her parents. Where is that connection?

If Dan's drug use had something to do with the murders, why wasn't his son murdered?

Why would drugheads murder children? What is the point?

It's one thing to point fingers at a drug addict ... he's an easy target ... but where's the logic?

IMO there is nothing logical about abducting and killing two little girls, so if the motive has to be logical, then you'd have to rule out pedophiles - because what is logical about a pedophile abducting and murdering a child? What is logical about a "random abductor" lurking around Meyers Lake and hoping to snatch a child?

There is no logic, IMO, to explain why anyone would abduct and kill Lyric and Lizzie, and yet someone did. If anyone can provide me with a "logical" reason for doing so, I'd sure like to hear it.

 

[otto]

Otto, please refer to my post (a few posts back) where I addressed that. Thanks.

Thanks ... I missed that one. I suppose I'm interested in more specific information where police, after interviewing someone, release a statement that the person is not a suspect and then later arrest the person for the same crime ... linked information is what I'm asking for.

Scott Peterson does not fall into that category and I doubt that OJ did either ... especially after the road trip.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I also think we need to stop all the Dan bashing. Would Lyric like hearing her dad being constantly put under a microscope and all his dirty laundry aired in public. I highly doubt it. jmo

No, but Lyric also wouldn't have wanted to be abducted and killed, and yet she was. So using that as an excuse to quit discussing what has appeared in an MSM article about Dan's arrest is kind of lame, IMO.

And I'm not Dan bashing - but it's hard not to discuss him when he was just in the news.

 

[Marilynilpa]

wonder what prompted Heather and Drew to shut down their fb pages?

I'm very curious about this, too, because up until now Heather's page has been very active. Drew's FB page is usually pretty quiet.

 

[otto]

IMO there is nothing logical about abducting and killing two little girls, so if the motive has to be logical, then you'd have to rule out pedophiles - because what is logical about a pedophile abducting and murdering a child? What is logical about a "random abductor" lurking around Meyers Lake and hoping to snatch a child?

There is no logic, IMO, to explain why anyone would abduct and kill Lyric and Lizzie, and yet someone did. If anyone can provide me with a "logical" reason for doing so, I'd sure like to hear it.

It is logical that child rapists kidnap children and murder their victims so that they can continue their criminal behavior and avoid detection.

It is not logical that a meth head is angry at another meth head so the first meth head stalks a little girl (who lives with her grandmother) to her cousin's house, and then abducts both little girls after they ride their bikes to the lake. The angry meth head then drives twenty miles North to hide the two children's bodies because he's so angry he desperately wants to hide the fact that he murdered the two children.

... in my opinion

 

[Marilynilpa]

Thanks ... I missed that one. I suppose I'm interested in more specific information where police, after interviewing someone, release a statement that the person is not a suspect and then later arrest the person for the same crime ... linked information is what I'm asking for.

Scott Peterson does not fall into that category and I doubt that OJ did either ... especially after the road trip.

Otto, I'm sorry I cannot find a specific case where two little girls were abducted and killed, LE interviews someone, claims he/she isn't a suspect, and then later arrests that person. IMO, this is a unique case so I don't think anyone can provide a link that is comparable to the facts of this case.

But I get your point, and I know there are cases where LE has interviewed someone, stated they were not a suspect, and then later arrests the person. Let me try to find something a little more on point for you.

 

[otto]

Otto, I'm sorry I cannot find a specific case where two little girls were abducted and killed, LE interviews someone, claims he/she isn't a suspect, and then later arrests that person. IMO, this is a unique case so I don't think anyone can provide a link that is comparable to the facts of this case.

But I get your point, and I know there are cases where LE has interviewed someone, stated they were not a suspect, and then later arrests the person. Let me try to find something a little more on point for you.

I'm interested in any case where police have clearly stated that someone is not considered to be a suspect in a criminal investigation and where that person is then arrested for the crime ... where police are dead wrong in their first statement.

 

[Marilynilpa]

It is logical that child rapists kidnap children and murder their victims so that they can continue their criminal behavior and avoid detection.

It is not logical that a meth head is angry at another meth head so the first meth head stalks a little girl (who lives with her grandmother) to her cousin's house, and then abducts both little girls after they ride their bikes to the lake. The angry meth head then drives twenty miles North to hide the two children's bodies because he's so angry he desperately wants to hide the fact that he murdered the two children.

... in my opinion

See, here is where we really disagree. I see absolutely no logic in anyone raping a child. Maybe his subsequent actions (covering up to protect himself) are logical, but whatever causes the pedophile to do what he does is NOT logical to me.

I value your posts (and maps!), but I can see scenarios in which drugs are involved in this case that aren't as far-fetched as the scenario you outlined in your post.

To me, a random abduction seems way more far-fetched than drug involvement. JMO. The chances of a random abductor hanging around Meyers Lake on the off chance a kid would come by seems remote, and when you add to that the fact that this random abductor decided to take both girls instead of waiting for a less difficult target - well, I just find that hard to swallow. Again, IMO.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I'm interested in any case where police have clearly stated that someone is not considered to be a suspect in a criminal investigation and where that person is then arrested for the crime ... where police are dead wrong in their first statement.

But LE might not be "dead wrong" if they say someone is not a suspect, and then later arrest that person. LE could know all along that he/she was a suspect, but for investigative reasons stated otherwise. JMO. There are no rules that say LE always has to tell the truth about such things.

ETA: I'm not picking on you, by the way. I always enjoy our exchanges because you usually give me food for thought. I hope you don't take my comments as any kind of personal attack.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Otto, you seem to have a way of taking people's posts/ideas/comments and turning them around in attempts to make things appear to come across as something different than what has actually been posted. To answer your questions, wasn't there “noncustodial parents” present in the same household of either of the girls? Lyric did not have a “noncustodial parent” OR a custodial parent, rather it was her grandmother.

Also, didn't LE feel Daniel and Misty's criminal histories and/or activities may have played a part in the abduction/murder of Elizabeth and Lyric? Not Daniel and Misty themselves, I am not naming them as suspects, it is their “criminal history” that has played a part.
Drew and Heather also have discussed in their interviews etc that they can or cannot rule out other family members criminal histories or things in the past, etc. playing a part in this as well. I'm quite sure it wouldn't be too difficult to find the links to support this; however, it is not worth wasting my time on.

Here's a comment from Tammy:

Lyric's parents, Misty and Dan Morrissey, say they're taking legal advice, and will no longer allow police to interrogate them. Both have past convictions for felony drug offenses and spent time behind bars. Misty served four years in federal prison.

Some of their relatives acknowledge that the couple's troubled past could have played a role in the girls' disappearance.

"I can't rule that out, you know," Tammy Brousseau, the girls' aunt, told ABC News Thursday. "I want every stone unturned."

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-says-fami...operating-160731195--abc-news-topstories.html

ETA: Again, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, I'm just providing a link.

 

[Just Pat 22]

See, here is where we really disagree. I see absolutely no logic in anyone raping a child. Maybe his subsequent actions (covering up to protect himself) are logical, but whatever causes the pedophile to do what he does is NOT logical to me.

I value your posts (and maps!), but I can see scenarios in which drugs are involved in this case that aren't as far-fetched as the scenario you outlined in your post.

To me, a random abduction seems way more far-fetched than drug involvement. JMO. The chances of a random abductor hanging around Meyers Lake on the off chance a kid would come by seems remote, and when you add to that the fact that this random abductor decided to take both girls instead of waiting for a less difficult target - well, I just find that hard to swallow. Again, IMO.

Hi Otto , Hi Marylnilpa I still in my deeps hearts feeling the girls we in the wrong place and the wrong time I don't believe it was planed I don't believe the bikes were staged . Meth is a horriable drug it take's a person and steals his locical mind . Funny TG or SS have made no statwement's of late intreesting huh . I wonder wher the tgirl were for 5 monmths really .Sure is a different case .:seeya::seeya: I wonder why TG did'n't tell the LE sooner

 

[Considering]

Ok, I stand corrected, the article does say Daniel was “released the same day” versus “left later that day” as I put in my post, I apologize. However, it really makes no difference as the point was he was not admitted and treated on an inpatient basis, and actually the proper terminology should have been that he was “discharged” the same day. Of note, I made no mention referring to he left “AMA”
I have been in the medical profession for almost 25 years. I am very well aware of what AMA is and HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act), not HIPPA. HIPAA involves many, many quite extensive guidelines, recommendations, rules, etc. So much so, that most medical facilities have “HIPAA Compliance Officers” whose jobs are solely to see that their facilities are meeting all the necesssary guidelines etc. However, there is no need to discuss it any further as it has nothing to do with my earlier post that you are referring to. The end of the article sums up the point I was trying to make: “Based on the fact the defendant continues to involve himself in drug use while pending charges involving manufacturing and delivering drugs, he should be considered dangerous to the community and himself. It is recommended a warrant be issued and the defendant's Pre-Trial Release be terminated by the court.”

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21136773/2013/02/12/dan-morrissey-tests-positive-for-drugs

You seem to have turned around some of my comments and taken them as a personal attack as well which was not as I intended. I don't consider anything written here as personal on any level. I wasn't attempting to correct you. I was noting that it was my understanding that the Allen Hospital visit was not part of Dan's court-ordered treatment and the paperwork did not seem to indicate that he left AMA. "AMA" and "HIPAA" (and I apologize for my typographical error) are common terms of which many people are knowledgable, not only those in the medical field. My reference to HIPAA had nothing to do with your post. I found it of interest, and still do, that the Allen Hospital information was released publicly. It seems like that information would be private under HIPAA, but I don't claim to be an expert on HIPAA. I find it of interest as I said. I am aware of Compliance Officers. There are some at a nearby facility - a facility that provided information to a newspaper reporter who called to inquire about a local public figure being admitted to the psych ward of said facility. The information was published on the front page of the following days newspaper.

 

[Just Pat 22]

See, here is where we really disagree. I see absolutely no logic in anyone raping a child. Maybe his subsequent actions (covering up to protect himself) are logical, but whatever causes the pedophile to do what he does is NOT logical to me.

I value your posts (and maps!), but I can see scenarios in which drugs are involved in this case that aren't as far-fetched as the scenario you outlined in your post.

To me, a random abduction seems way more far-fetched than drug involvement. JMO. The chances of a random abductor hanging around Meyers Lake on the off chance a kid would come by seems remote, and when you add to that the fact that this random abductor decided to take both girls instead of waiting for a less difficult target - well, I just find that hard to swallow. Again, IMO.

Hi Otto , Hi Marylnilpa I still in my deeps hearts feeling the girls we in the wrong place and the wrong time I don't believe it was planed I don't believe the bikes were staged . Meth is a horriable drug it take's a person and steals his locical mind . Funny TG or SS have made no statwement's of late intresting huh? . I wonder wherer the two girl were for 5 months .Sure is a different case .:seeya::seeya: I wonder why TG did'n't tell the LE sooner

 

[Marilynilpa]

This summer I think I'll take a short vacation to Evansdale, and Meyers Lake. This case has effected me so deeply, and obviously I am not alone in feeling that way. I'd like to take a couple of bouquets of pink and purple flowers and leave them at the lake in memory of Lyric and Lizzie. I never knew I could care so much about two little girls I never met.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I know we aren't supposed to discuss specific posters, but I've missed Grainne Dhu the past few days. Her posts are always thought-provoking, even the rare posts I disagree with!