IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

[palaminodee]

OT: Casey Anthony's lawyer on Dr Phil tomorrow
fyi...

 

[foxbluff]

Obviously a meth addiction would be more harmful to a family than a food addiction. JMO.

But Ktgirl makes a good point, IMO, regarding how a person with an addiction can automatically fall back on that addiction to deal with stress in life. It doesn't excuse Dan's behavior in any way, but it does explain it somewhat.

I agree that Dan owed it to Lyric, and owes it to Dillin, to be a good father. Unfortunately, I believe his addiction is too strong for him to focus on his duties as a father.[/quote]
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Ty, Marilynilpa, for your kind response. Aside from it letting me know that, at least, one poster here believed me when I said I wasn't "attacking Ktgirl's thoughtful opinion," it gives me a chance to expand my thoughts.

#1 - BBM - I totally agree w/both of you regarding the influence stress factors have on addiction. I can only (gratefully so) imagine the amt of stress produced by having a child abducted/murdered.

IMHO I would probably be more understanding, and thus more sympathetic, if one formed a Meth addiction after the horror this family has faced. (It seems to me that Court Docs & MSM contradict that being the case).

#2 - BBM - Forgive me for having a different thought to your comment than I think you intended:

My thought and question to the brd: If DM can't/won't do it for his children, then can we seriously expect that he'll do it for you/me and ours????

 

[Bootsctr]

Meth can stay in your system for over a week. Depending on the amount used it could be out in as little as 72 hours or up to even 10 days, so who knows how often he'd used. I don't think it's a huge surprise to anyone that during that time that he'd revert back to using. It's a coping mechanism for an addict.

What's MORE surprising (to me anyway), is that they knew he was using and he broke probation. If he's such a bad person and a danger to himself and the community, etc...why didn't they arrest him immediately when the UA came back dirty?
From the looks of the report it looks like police/probation officer weren't too concerned about the fact he'd allegedly tested positive...on more than one occasion. They waited until NOW to decide he'd broken too many appts. with his counselor and probation officer and dropped too many dirty UA's?
They could have arrested him immediately following the discovery of the girls bodies (if they were cutting him a break because the girls were missing) and didn't.

He himself went to a mental facility for help the day after the girls bodies were found (which could ALSO be interpreted as a danger to himself) and no arrest then either.

I think there is something else going here...no idea what it is...but the timing is just off for me. They had plenty of opportunity to arrest him prior to now and didn't...why?

Well, we know he narc'd on a lot of people after the girls went missing and he began cooperating with LE again by taking his cell phone in and going over all calls and I assume his call list. I just think he was a narc all along. Every so often he would inform his LE contact with some names and LE could make a few busts and Dan could be free and still continue to use meth. Just an opinion, but something sure does smell fishy about the timing of the whole situation.

 

[otto]

Other than the fact that Dan is a drug addict, why would anyone think that he had anything to do with the murders?

If Dan's drug use had something to do with the murders, why was Elizabeth murdered? There must be a drug connection to Elizabeth too ... or her parents. Where is that connection?

If Dan's drug use had something to do with the murders, why wasn't his son murdered?

Why would drugheads murder children? What is the point?

It's one thing to point fingers at a drug addict ... he's an easy target ... but where's the logic?

 

[cindersoot]

Well I agree Otto, and I would think that Dan would of been arrested along time ago. People need to remember that the families were gived polys in the beginning. I'm also pretty certain they were looked at closely, the parents of murdered children usually are.

 

[NWLady]

Here's some questions I have:

How many times has Daniel tested “dirty” since the girls went missing? Was he not on supervised release? Regardless of what “excuse” he has for testing dirty, the state and federal laws don't have clauses that allow ANYONE to be exempt from breaking probation/supervised release regardless of what traumatic events may have taken place.
Are we to feel sorry for him because he was “using drugs to cope?” Was he not using drugs prior to the girls missing? I'd say obviously he was, him and his significant other both appear to have very longgggggg criminal records, most of which are connected to drugs. Isn't it obvious his and her addictions were/are too strong for either one to focus on “duties” of being parents? I would think that's rather obvious, others have had custody of their two children longer than they've had custody of them themselves.
Is it not usually a parental instinct to want to provide for and protect your children from harm? Then what about the sibling and concern for how things have affected him?
Do meth addictions/drug addicts have any “sense of logic?” If not, then how do they manage to stay out of jail from multiple drug arrests and convictions?
Why may Elizabeth been involved? Was there family turmoil BEFORE the girls went missing?

The link below shows on page 3 of the court documents that Daniel went to Allen Hospital mental health unit on December 10, 2012 and left LATER that day.

IMO, some people will do anything to play the game...and more times than not, at us taxpayers' expense.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21136773/2013/02/12/dan-morrissey-tests-positive-for-drugs

 

[cindersoot]

I do not feel sorry for Dan using drugs to cope, and we really don't know if he is using drugs to cope or just because he is a drug addict. I just don't think drugs has anything to do with the girls murder, nor do I think Dan has anything to do with the murders.

 

[cindersoot]

I also think we need to stop all the Dan bashing. Would Lyric like hearing her dad being constantly put under a microscope and all his dirty laundry aired in public. I highly doubt it. jmo

 

[Reverie]

Meth can stay in your system for over a week. Depending on the amount used it could be out in as little as 72 hours or up to even 10 days, so who knows how often he'd used. I don't think it's a huge surprise to anyone that during that time that he'd revert back to using. It's a coping mechanism for an addict.

What's MORE surprising (to me anyway), is that they knew he was using and he broke probation. If he's such a bad person and a danger to himself and the community, etc...why didn't they arrest him immediately when the UA came back dirty?
From the looks of the report it looks like police/probation officer weren't too concerned about the fact he'd allegedly tested positive...on more than one occasion. They waited until NOW to decide he'd broken too many appts. with his counselor and probation officer and dropped too many dirty UA's?
They could have arrested him immediately following the discovery of the girls bodies (if they were cutting him a break because the girls were missing) and didn't.

He himself went to a mental facility for help the day after the girls bodies were found (which could ALSO be interpreted as a danger to himself) and no arrest then either.

I think there is something else going here...no idea what it is...but the timing is just off for me. They had plenty of opportunity to arrest him prior to now and didn't...why?

Maybe he was helping LE?

 

[Considering]

Here's some questions I have:

How many times has Daniel tested “dirty” since the girls went missing? Was he not on supervised release? Regardless of what “excuse” he has for testing dirty, the state and federal laws don't have clauses that allow ANYONE to be exempt from breaking probation/supervised release regardless of what traumatic events may have taken place.
Are we to feel sorry for him because he was “using drugs to cope?” Was he not using drugs prior to the girls missing? I'd say obviously he was, him and his significant other both appear to have very longgggggg criminal records, most of which are connected to drugs. Isn't it obvious his and her addictions were/are too strong for either one to focus on “duties” of being parents? I would think that's rather obvious, others have had custody of their two children longer than they've had custody of them themselves.
Is it not usually a parental instinct to want to provide for and protect your children from harm? Then what about the sibling and concern for how things have affected him?
Do meth addictions/drug addicts have any “sense of logic?” If not, then how do they manage to stay out of jail from multiple drug arrests and convictions?
Why may Elizabeth been involved? Was there family turmoil BEFORE the girls went missing?

The link below shows on page 3 of the court documents that Daniel went to Allen Hospital mental health unit on December 10, 2012 and left LATER that day.
IMO, some people will do anything to play the game...and more times than not, at us taxpayers' expense.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21136773/2013/02/12/dan-morrissey-tests-positive-for-drugs

I'm unsure of what is meant by the portion BBM. Allen Hospital was not part of any court-ordered treatment plan and the document states that he was "released the same day" which tells me only that he was released, not that he was released AMA. Actually, I'm surprised that this part of the information was released to the public at all since it was not part of any court-ordered treatment. It seems like it would be a HIPPA violation to have that information printed in the newspaper.

 

[palaminodee]

wonder what prompted Heather and Drew to shut down their fb pages?

 

[Considering]

Also the who's in jail site has been frozen since Monday 2/11/2013 and doesn't show anything about Dan's arrest. Anybody knows whats up with this?

http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx

(SBM)

:waitasec: Maybe, someone else has been arrested that Black Hawk County doesn't want anyone to know about, yet. Everyone seems to be focusing on Dan.

 

[foxbluff]

I also think we need to stop all the Dan bashing. Would Lyric like hearing her dad being constantly put under a microscope and all his dirty laundry aired in public. I highly doubt it. jmo

BBM - Sadly, we'll never know.

 

[otto]

Children from every socio-ecomonic group have been abducted and murdered. In this case, the custodial parents of the murdered children were not drug addicts. The non-custodial, natural parents of one of the two murdered children are drug addicts.

I do not see any logical connection between the activities of the non-custodial parents and the murders of Elizabeth and Lyric. If there is a connection, I would like an explanation that goes beyond the fact that the non-custodial parents are drug addicts.

 

[Squeeze]

wonder what prompted Heather and Drew to shut down their fb pages?

I'll bet it was the crap going on at Cedar Valley Mugshots. People are still going at it. I'm sure she had to get away from all of it.
Gosh that just makes me sick.

 

[otto]

wonder what prompted Heather and Drew to shut down their fb pages?

If it was just shut down, perhaps it has something to do with all the accusations against the non-custodial parent of one of the murdered children.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

If it was just shut down, perhaps it has something to do with all the accusations against the non-custodial parent of one of the murdered children.

But haven't those accusations been going on since July?

 

[cluciano63]

I think it is possible that someone known via drugs cold be responsible.

 

[Squeeze]

But haven't those accusations been going on since July?

I haven't read the whole CVM thread, bug I understand some hurtful things were said. So where some of us were offering support, others chose to use it to torment them. That is just freaking sick.

 

[foxbluff]

wonder what prompted Heather and Drew to shut down their fb pages?

Ty... I hadn't been aware that their fb pages had been shut down.

Please understand this is only a guess on my part, but perhaps they've sadly discovered that the bright "15 minutes of fame/glory" (e.g. unquestioned adoration) is fleeting...