IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #3

[Sandstorm]

Being unsupervised, should not make a victim. When I was 10, I biked around my entire city 10x if not more. The assumption that parental supervision should be constant, is not rational. If it were, I would not want to be that 10yr old.

Being unsupervised should not but DOES make a child a target and many times, a victim. I am a parent and I have would have never allowed my son or daughter to ride their bike on that unsupervised path through the woods. It is a sad situation today, but these abductions are happening more and more frequently. It only takes 60 seconds for a stranger to lure a child into his car with the simple words, " I have lost my puppy. Can you help me find him?" And then what? The nightmare of all nightmares begins. Why gamble with the possibility of never seeing your child again or never knowing what happened to them? I wish you were right, that our children could be safe without parental supervision at all times. However, times have changed and supervision is absolutely necessary. This is not an assumption. This is the new reality. Had a parent or an adult been biking with Lyric and Elizabeth they would not be headline news today.

 

[elmomom]

Being unsupervised should not but DOES make a child a target and many times, a victim. I am a parent and I have would have never allowed my son or daughter to ride their bike on that unsupervised path through the woods. It is a sad situation today, but these abductions are happening more and more frequently. It only takes 60 seconds for a stranger to lure a child into his car with the simple words, " I have lost my puppy. Can you help me find him?" And then what? The nightmare of all nightmares begins. Why gamble with the possibility of never seeing your child again or never knowing what happened to them? I wish you were right, that our children could be safe without parental supervision at all times. However, times have changed and supervision is absolutely necessary. This is not an assumption. This is the new reality. Had a parent or an adult been biking with Lyric and Elizabeth they would not be headline news today.

Can you point to some data supporting this? I can only find data that indicates that stereotypical child abductions (non-family related) is going down, not up.

 

[~n/t~]

It would be easy for even a teen with a quad to get 2 girls on board saying "want to ride it with me?"
Who did they trust enough?
Who would want 2 little girls?
Why not wait for just 1.
2 perps?

It was his lucky day A pedophile's dream come true.


Assuming they were abducted, I can see how easily they could have been lured. Perp says help me find my dog, or do you know where so and so lives, etc.

Both girls follow and bang they get into a vehicle. Regardless of how many times we tell our children of stranger danger, imo, it takes only a few seconds for such a tragedy.

If the perp was known to the girls and someone they trusted even more so.

 

[FindtheTruth]

In my opinion, something tells me a man Lyric became friends with on Facebook has something to do with this. Sure are a lot of men she is 'friends" with, though of course I truthfully have no idea if they may be relatives, what not. However, I have investigated a few and they seem worthy of questioning, in my opinion, again.

This is where my head is as well. With the other instance of Lyric being away further and longer than she was supposed to be, I think she may have a "friend" she is meeting. Unfortunately this person may not be her friend at all.

 

[BlueIris]

So what about the man the Aunt approached at the lake that said he saw them riding their bikes heading east (from the park/dock area) at 2:30? Is it credible? If the bike rider saw the bikes at 12:27, but not the girls - both sightings don't seem possible.

I tend to believe the girls left Gram's at 11:30 - the biker saw the bikes on the lake path at 12:27 - Aunt (Tammy) and Gram came to lake at 2:45 looking for them. They said LE swarmed the place at 3. Bikes found about 4. See I don't think it would take an hour for LE to find their bikes on the trail. How long does it take to walk around the lake?

Thanks for the links to the FB groups that you posted last night, much appreciated.

Also, I want to know why the lake was descended on so quickly by the police? I can only assume that there are two reasons:
1) the aunt talked to the guy who said that he saw them riding in the area of the lake, and she reported that to police
2) if the police descended on the lake at 3pm, they'd have found the bikes pretty fast in my opinion. The guy who rode his bike and said he saw the bikes on the path at 12:27pm - did he report this before or after the bikes had been found?

In my experience (which fortunately is limited), the police spend a good amount of time at first checking the area where the kids live, and questioning people to have last seen them. They then begin to move outwards from there in their search. If the police went directly to the lake as it seems they did (perhaps two teams went out, one to talk to the family and one to check the lake), then it must be because of the man who said he saw them riding in the area that Aunt Tammy talked to. Otherwise, how would the police know to concentrate an effort there at all?

 

[~n/t~]

I didn't see anything unusual on Lyric's FB's wall. Most were games and those automatic apps that send you daily or weekly stuff. As others have mentioned the only significant posts were from last year when she was bored at her cousin's house.

I did notice for a period of time the only stuff posted on her wall was the automated apps. I didn't consider her to be an active fb user.

Parents please monitor your kids computer activities!

I wonder if LE found something on her computer???

 

[TripleA]

Being unsupervised should not but DOES make a child a target and many times, a victim. I am a parent and I have would have never allowed my son or daughter to ride their bike on that unsupervised path through the woods.

While I know that many parents feel it is okay to let their children play unsupervised, I just cannot do that. It is my job to keep them safe and I will never become complacent. Some people call me crazy, but I just ignore them.

God bless these two little girls and their families. I pray that they are brought home safe and sound.

 

[Soulmagent]

Can you point to some data supporting this? I can only find data that indicates that stereotypical child abductions (non-family related) is going down, not up.

Where is the data for all the unsolved cases? Do they add them into the data ?

The numbers cannot reflect reality if the reality is a good number of children are not found. IMO.

I said this a few years ago ,as children become harder to abduct ,the method in which abductors use to gain access to children will become more drastic.

Lock your windows and doors, do not leave childrens toys laying arround your home. Do not put you family stickers on your minivan and teach your kids how to be safe ,repeat the safe thing over and over .

 

[CN2Souls]

I say protect YOUR CHILDREN at all cost!!

A 2002 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Justice found that, in one year, 797,500 children were reported missing. That's a lot, but most of them weren't abducted. Of those, 203,900 were family abductions, which means the abductor was related to the child, often a noncustodial parent. Some 58,200 were "non-family abductions," but that doesn't necessarily mean strangers were responsible. And 115 children, a tiny fraction of those reported missing, were victims of what the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) calls "stereotypical kidnapping," which involves "someone child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently."


The potential loss of 115 children a year is a national tragedy, (in one YEAR!!!)

There are 74 million children and teens in America; the odds of it happening are about

1 in 644,000, or about the same risk as being struck by lightning.


Nevertheless, I still protect myself from Lightning every time there is a storm and I go outside....


Why not Protect your children...

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500163_162-5278820.html


(Odds of winning the lottery are one in 175 million, but people play every day and spend lots of money doing it.)

 

[~n/t~]

Video at the link at. It's HLN / Nancy Grace and Jim Spellman at the scene.

You can mute NG and stare at Jim, if you wish.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/07/17/girls-8-10-vanish-bike-trail

 

[Sandstorm]

Can you point to some data supporting this? I can only find data that indicates that stereotypical child abductions (non-family related) is going down, not up.

“But child-advocacy groups welcome the White House conference. Noting that about 85 to 90 percent of the 876,213 persons reported missing in 2000 were children — a 469 percent increase from the 154,341 reported in 1982, the Klass Kids Foundation points out in its literature that, "if any other segment of our population were so impacted, wewould declare an epidemic; the Center for Disease Control would fund a cure; we would
pass and enforce legislation and we would increase private and public security. But, since it is only our children, many in our society accept these appalling numbers as status quo.”
http://www.findthekids.org/pdf/datamissing.pdf


• Increase in international child abduction cases - Family Law
www.familylaw.co.uk/.../International-child-abductions-cases-... - Cached
05 April 2012. Lord Justice Thorpe The Head of International Family Justice for England and Wales, Lord Justice Thorpe, has reported a 96% increase in the ...


• Child abduction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abduction - Cached
Child abduction or Child theft is the unauthorized removal of a minor (a child under .... the incidence of international child abduction continues to increase due to ...


• England's Int'l Child Abductions Increase Dramatically ... - Typepad
familylaw.typepad.com/.../englands-intl-child-abductions-incr... - Cached
3 Apr 2012 – "International child flee cases on increase" - BBC 3 April 2012 Cases of a parent fleeing with their children to a different country are on the ...


• Increase in attempted child abductions? (Phoenix, Mesa: 2011 ...
www.city-data.com › ... › US Forums › Arizona › Phoenix area - Cached
20 Nov 2011 – An article caught my eye about an attempted child abduction in Mesa. While reading it mentioned not one, but two separate attempts were ...


• A parent's worst nightmare: Are child abductions on the rise? - CNN
articles.cnn.com/.../ctv.missing_1_child-abductions-erica-pratt... - Cached
24 Jul 2002 – First, it was the faces. Smiling in school photos and candid family snapshots, they were splashed across breaking reports and front pages ...


• Child abductions increase in China - FT.com
www.ft.com › World - Cached
14 Feb 2011 – For three years, Sun Haiyang and Peng Gaofeng have been something like brothers in arms. The two men, both migrants from central China, ...


• Middle East Online::Child abductions on the rise in Egypt
www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=51760 - Cached
17 Apr 2012 – A noticeable rise in child abductions has swept through the country, with the media reporting a new child abduction case every day - either in ...



• Sharp Increase in Child Abduction Cases Witnessed in - The News
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_overview.pdf

And beside all that data, the daily headline news tells the tale.

 

[Soulmagent]

http://ygoy.com/2009/07/08/child-abduction-statistics/

The rest of the 800,000 missing cases include runaways, throwaways, or lost children.

:what:

Non-Family child abductions
•More than 65% of the children abducted by non-family members are girls.
•46% of children are sexually abused.
•31% of the children are physically abused.
•32% of abductions take place in a street or a car and 25% take place in a park or a wooded area.
•The top 3 places an abductor imprisons the child are – a car, the abductor’s home and the abductor’s building.
•Most abductions are carried out within a quarter of a mile of the child’s home.
•75% of the abductors are male.
•67% of them are below 29 years of age.

Stereotypical kidnappings
•40% of children in stereotypical kidnappings are killed.
•4% of children are never found.
•79% kidnappings are carried out by strangers and 21% by acquaintances.

 

[CoachSue]

Video at the link at. It's HLN / Nancy Grace and Jim Spellman at the scene.

You can mute NG and stare at Jim, if you wish.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/07/17/girls-8-10-vanish-bike-trail

Jim Spellman - great reporter and so easy on the eyes as well :blushing:

 

[GateKeeper]

Ahhhh Mr. Spellman...what a wonderful way to wake up in the morning!!

Ok,back on track, I have to say Im really impressed with this community and the searchers. And thanks Ollipop for all the great pictures!

 

[palaminodee]

I am in the parking lot at Lederman's. The lot is all paved, one block long, and there is another block of parking to my left. We are standing, presumably, about where the girls were last seen, looking towards where the grandmother was.

interesting how you can see LC's home from the front of the business

 

[palaminodee]

If they were taken I hope they have investigated RSO's that live near LCM's home in Waterloo, the grandmother's home in Waterloo and the cousin that lives in Waterloo...

The RSO may have been watching her and followed her over to Evansdale?

 

[palaminodee]

interesting how you can see LC's home from the front of the business

Sorry, I meant EC's home...my error

 

[shefner]

Whew....that lake has gotta be close to empty by now!

 

[hollyblue]

I found at least 3 guys on Lyric's friends list that I would look at closer.

http://www.facebook.com/lyric.morrissey?sk=friends&v=friends&ft_ref=fbsa

Felons...

Recently released from jail...

Recent divorce/death/traumatic event...

I hope that they have looked at all the people they can connect to these girls.
Even if they aren't immediate family... (I'm not counting her Dad, FYI.)

Where? County? TIA

 

[dovebar]

Where? County? TIA

WHY would a 10-year-old have friends who are felons? Did her parents know or was this a recent friendship?

My parents would have told anyone like that that they were persona non grata around our house. Sometimes I think we now lack the sense that God gave a goose. Thank goodness my parents were not at all sentimental or unclear about what the world was like. They were very clear about the kinds of creeps out there.