IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[threecrazykids]

Dan is incarcerated after pleading guilty on existing charges and faces new charges for additional manufacturing and useage. I doubt he can be in the media spotlight supporting the memorial. I don't believe Misty has been seen or heard from since being released from her stint at being incarcerated and released January 30th after what, a 2-3 month stint? I would imagine 72+ year old Wylma tries to make it through the days and painful nights clinging to Lyric's Teddy bear in the bed they used to share. I forget now the point you are trying to make?

Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that Dan can no longer be involved or in the spotlight due to his incarceration.

My point was that I'm not surprised that the "troubled" side of the family isn't involved in all the fundraising and public spotlight of making a shrine out of Evansdale. They appeared to be the side of the family who was on a manhunt to find out who did this to these children...and now that they've been found killed, they are no longer interested in fundraising. At the time, the funds were being used for searches, feeding volunteers, posters, events to keep awareness of the girls being missing.

And your point of the fact that Wylma tries to make it through the painful days and nights by clinging to Lyric's teddy bear is EXACTLY how I would expect a love one to react. Not renovating an entire city park into a shrine, not organizing a concert to bring in MORE money, etc.

Marilyn's point was that she was a bit surprised this wasn't an "entire family" event (the park renovation) and my point is that IMO the "other" side of the family was taking action at a critical time, not taking action in the aftermath...that is all.

:seeya:

 

[Unique444]

Sadly, it doesn't surprise me. I really hope I don't get in trouble for this, but it's my opinion and I have the right to say what I feel as long as I'm not implicating the parents in the crime.

I've watched this entire family completely flip flop their "limelight" during the course of this travesty, which is still not at an end.

During the initial weeks, who did you see with their face in the limelight? Grandma, Misty, Tammy, and even Dan. They were all over the news doing interviews, pleading for these girls to be found...begging for everyone to keep their eyes peeled, turn in ANYTHING that looks suspicious, etc.

Heather and Drew just kind of hung out in the background, doing select interviews, mostly radio, begging us to forgive the person who has done this to these girls, and to pray...just keep praying.

Now, since the girls bodies have been found who have we seen? Not the same people who were in the face of the media trying to find out who did this to their babies. Those same people are NOT involved in the multiple fundraisers. Those same people are NOT the ones who are looking to make this park a shrine in memory of these girls.

Every single thing I personally have seen since the girls deaths that Heather and Drew have had their hands in involve fundraising, money, donations, etc...whatever you want to call it.

To each their own. Everyone has their own way of dealing with death. Maybe this is how the Collin's family thinks the funds should be spent. Maybe the Morrissey's don't agree, so they aren't participating. Or maybe they are and just aren't asking for the limelight in the project.

I do however, take note at who's doing what and it bothers me. And that's all I'm going to say to hopefully prevent a time out. :jail:

:great: Thank You Thank You!!!

 

[Marilynilpa]

If one of the two girls was targeted, I figured it was probably Lyric. JMO

But now, I'm starting to think Lizzie may have been the target. Again, JMO.

Am I the only one whose opinion has changed?

 

[Bootsctr]

This is an aerial map of the lake before the highway was built and before the Island was built. I would like to see what was written in the planning notes when the Island was created. It's quite possible that it was specifically intended as a noise barrier and wildlife habitat and that trees were needed in order to ensure soil stability.

If that was the original intention, that's been shot to &*%^. I had thought about the island with the trees helping prevent soil erosion. I'm sure the people in charge thought of that in advance and have carefully planned the new and improved island to replace what the trees on the island helped prevent with soil erosion and noise from the interstate.

 

[Bootsctr]

If one of the two girls was targeted, I figured it was probably Lyric. JMO

But now, I'm starting to think Lizzie may have been the target. Again, JMO.

Am I the only one whose opinion has changed?

No, Marilynilpa my opinion has changed greatly. I just can't discuss it without being banned. :saythat:

 

[Unique444]

If one of the two girls was targeted, I figured it was probably Lyric. JMO

But now, I'm starting to think Lizzie may have been the target. Again, JMO.

Am I the only one whose opinion has changed?

In my own opinion it's always been Elizabeth

 

[Gracelin]

My opinion changes weekly sometimes daily! It's crazy.. This week I think LE has their suspect locked up. I'm seeing Lyric as the target, as opposed to the random perp snatching two babies. Cause of death might be so telling in this case. I wish they would release something..

 

[Bootsctr]

Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that Dan can no longer be involved or in the spotlight due to his incarceration.

My point was that I'm not surprised that the "troubled" side of the family isn't involved in all the fundraising and public spotlight of making a shrine out of Evansdale. They appeared to be the side of the family who was on a manhunt to find out who did this to these children...and now that they've been found killed, they are no longer interested in fundraising. At the time, the funds were being used for searches, feeding volunteers, posters, events to keep awareness of the girls being missing.

And your point of the fact that Wylma tries to make it through the painful days and nights by clinging to Lyric's teddy bear is EXACTLY how I would expect a love one to react. Not renovating an entire city park into a shrine, not organizing a concert to bring in MORE money, etc.

Marilyn's point was that she was a bit surprised this wasn't an "entire family" event (the park renovation) and my point is that IMO the "other" side of the family was taking action at a critical time, not taking action in the aftermath...that is all.

:seeya:

:bow: :bow: :bow:

 

[janie]

Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that Dan can no longer be involved or in the spotlight due to his incarceration.

My point was that I'm not surprised that the "troubled" side of the family isn't involved in all the fundraising and public spotlight of making a shrine out of Evansdale. They appeared to be the side of the family who was on a manhunt to find out who did this to these children...and now that they've been found killed, they are no longer interested in fundraising. At the time, the funds were being used for searches, feeding volunteers, posters, events to keep awareness of the girls being missing.

And your point of the fact that Wylma tries to make it through the painful days and nights by clinging to Lyric's teddy bear is EXACTLY how I would expect a love one to react. Not renovating an entire city park into a shrine, not organizing a concert to bring in MORE money, etc.

Marilyn's point was that she was a bit surprised this wasn't an "entire family" event (the park renovation) and my point is that IMO the "other" side of the family was taking action at a critical time, not taking action in the aftermath...that is all.

:seeya:

I guess it just depends on what each person's perspectives are. I never saw the Morrissey side as being on a manhunt though I agree they were in the spotlight being interviewed on Nancy Grace, Jane Velez Mitchell, etc. Is that what is meant by "being on a manhunt." I just figured those TV personality's producers contacted family members and Tammy and Misty (sometimes Dan and Wylma) accepted the national television opportunities. Rumor around town was that Heather wasn't physically or emotionally able to handle the press opportunities at that time. Once she felt better, she and Drew were the ones handing out flyers all over the state, including at the state fair.

So, if you consider TV ops as being on a manhunt, then passing out fliers was too? It seems to me that after the national media disappeared, so did one side of the family, while the other side worked non-stop in their efforts to find the children.

Maybe all sides of the family were earnestly working hard at finding those children and we just didn't know of all of their efforts. Maybe the same is true of the memorial park, maybe the other side is supportive but at this time they are choosing to recover from addictions and/or grieve and don't want public scrutiny by being in the forefront?

I don't hear anything about grandparents on any side being supportive or non- supportive, but that doesn't mean they aren't supportive. Some people just don't like to be in the public eye and quietly and privately show support. IMHO!

 

[BunnyHop]

There's FB page for angels park.

Sorry for quoting myself here. When I look at this "rendering" I have a few thoughts.

It looks more like a cartoon than a real architectural presentation. As a designer I read blueprints and plans.
It also has religious tones that may not appeal to the general community.
Too much "symbolism" IMHO.
This FB page was created March 29.

I just want to know what is really going on. :banghead:

 

[threecrazykids]

I guess it just depends on what each person's perspectives are. I never saw the Morrissey side as being on a manhunt though I agree they were in the spotlight being interviewed on Nancy Grace, Jane Velez Mitchell, etc. Is that what is meant by "being on a manhunt." I just figured those TV personality's producers contacted family members and Tammy and Misty (sometimes Dan and Wylma) accepted the national television opportunities. Rumor around town was that Heather wasn't physically or emotionally able to handle the press opportunities at that time. Once she felt better, she and Drew were the ones handing out flyers all over the state, including at the state fair.

So, if you consider TV ops as being on a manhunt, then passing out fliers was too? It seems to me that after the national media disappeared, so did one side of the family, while the other side worked non-stop in their efforts to find the children.

Maybe all sides of the family were earnestly working hard at finding those children and we just didn't know of all of their efforts. Maybe the same is true of the memorial park, maybe the other side is supportive but at this time they are choosing to recover from addictions and/or grieve and don't want public scrutiny by being in the forefront?

I don't hear anything about grandparents on any side being supportive or non- supportive, but that doesn't mean they aren't supportive. Some people just don't like to be in the public eye and quietly and privately show support. IMHO!

I think you make great points, and I understand what you're saying. I could be very well be taking an incorrect perspective, it's simply MOO as to what I've seen.

I feel that the Morrissey's were in the face of the media in the "critical" moments...when keeping the girls names on national TV were of utmost importance for everyone to keep their eyes out for anything.

I'm not saying that handing out flyers wasn't helpful, but I do feel that you reach more people by doing interviews live, answering the questions, begging for everyone to be on the lookout etc., than people would handing out fliers...but that's just me. I watch TV and get my news from different forms of media.

And if Heather wasn't well, that is understandable, but why not have Drew do the interviews? Everyone knew Heather has health problems, so her physically not participating in the searches was easily explainable...but for whatever reason, Drew also chose not to participate in interviews. Heather has stated over and over that she handed it over to God to handle and forgave the person literally within days of them disappearing. Maybe that's all she personally felt she needed to do, but others certainly didn't feel that was sufficient.

To each their own. No one's way is "wrong", just different.

 

[threecrazykids]

I'm just curious, does anyone know who has control of how the funds are utilized once raised?

I'm just wondering who has to approve the release of the funds for the park renovation? Is their an administrator to say "yes" or "no" to how they are used?

Did the family request the funds be used for this? And did the entire family have to sign off on what amount goes towards the park renovation?

 

[Tennlyn]

If one of the two girls was targeted, I figured it was probably Lyric. JMO

But now, I'm starting to think Lizzie may have been the target. Again, JMO.

Am I the only one whose opinion has changed?

I've always thought if one of the girls was targeted it was Lizzie. My gut tells me that Heather & Drew 'know' who did it even if they don't realize it on a conscious level. Probably someone from their church. :moo::moo::moo:

I feel so bad for Lyric because I think so many folks believe this happened because of her parents. :banghead:

 

[Bootsctr]

Sorry for quoting myself here. When I look at this "rendering" I have a few thoughts.

It looks more like a cartoon than a real architectural presentation. As a designer I read blueprints and plans.
It also has religious tones that may appeal not to the general community.
Too much "symbolism" IMHO.
This FB page was created March 29.

I just want to know what is really going on. :banghead:

You and me both! A memorial dock for paddleboats? You gotta be kidding me? This reinforces my thoughts that Elizabeth was the intended target AND the perp knew Elizabeth through the Collins' church. That statement is probably going to get me banned. :banghead:

 

[Reverie]

If one of the two girls was targeted, I figured it was probably Lyric. JMO

But now, I'm starting to think Lizzie may have been the target. Again, JMO.

Am I the only one whose opinion has changed?

You're not alone Marilynilpa, but I am still crazy confused with all the latest hoopla going on. :blushing: :moo:

 

[Bootsctr]

I've always thought if one of the girls was targeted it was Lizzie. My gut tells me that Heather & Drew 'know' who did it even if they don't realize it on a conscious level. Probably someone from their church. :moo::moo::moo:

I feel so bad for Lyric because I think so many folks believe this happened because of her parents. :banghead:

Me too, and I always felt Lyric was a little pushed aside. . . nit-picking, but why did Elizabeth's memorial service have to be held before Lyric's. This case is driving me nuts. Off to do some gardening and cool off! :seeya:

 

[BunnyHop]

You and me both! A memorial dock for paddleboats? You gotta be kidding me? This reinforces my thoughts that Elizabeth was the intended target AND the perp knew Elizabeth through the Collins' church. That statement is probably going to get me banned. :banghead:

:rocker::fence::rocker:

 

[BunnyHop]

You and me both! A memorial dock for paddleboats? You gotta be kidding me? This reinforces my thoughts that Elizabeth was the intended target AND the perp knew Elizabeth through the Collins' church. That statement is probably going to get me banned. :banghead:

According to a witness, it was Lizzie who was seen often in the neighborhood. Chatty and friendly. That fateful day, Lyric was along for the ride. :moo:

 

[Reverie]

Sorry for quoting myself here. When I look at this "rendering" I have a few thoughts.

It looks more like a cartoon than a real architectural presentation. As a designer I read blueprints and plans.
It also has religious tones that may not appeal to the general community.
Too much "symbolism" IMHO.
This FB page was created March 29.

I just want to know what is really going on. :banghead:

It's almost like a theme park. :what:

 

[Tennlyn]

Me too, and I always felt Lyric was a little pushed aside. . . nit-picking, but why did Elizabeth's memorial service have to be held before Lyric's. This case is driving me nuts. Off to do some gardening and cool off! :seeya:

I find some of the comments under the articles about the Angel's Park Island Project to be 100% accurate. :shutup: