IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[Marilynilpa]

Smock is advising the community to ensure that children are aware of the fact that strangers can be dangerous. He then says that losing Lyric and Elizabeth serves as a reminder that dangerous strangers can even happen in Evansdale.

It seems straight forward.

As I posted earlier, it's this comment by Smock that I found interesting, not his comments about stranger danger:

"This was a very unique situation with those two girls, and hopefully one that will come to resolution here shortly -- and I don't know that (it) will, but we are certainly hopeful," said Smock.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21941711/...f-says-stranger-danger-conversation-important

BBM

He hopes this "unique situation" will shortly come to resolution - he doesn't know that it will, but they are hopeful. Somehow, after all this time, I would like LE to be a little more than hopeful.

I'm not saying LE needs to lay it all out on the line for the public, but I found his comments a little discouraging. JMO

I agree with you regarding the stranger danger comments - all parents should make their children aware of this.

ETA: SapphireSteel has a more positive take on Smock's comment, so maybe I'm looking at it too negatively.

 

[otto]

Thanks Otto for your opinion. I disagree. His behavior is fidgety, and words carefully chosen JMHO. :fence:

If Smock doesn't mean what he is saying, what exactly is he saying that he isn't saying?

Why is it so difficult to trust what police say in this case?

It's actually quite funny when you think about it. There are pages and pages of complaints about the police not releasing information and then when they do release information, no one believes them. This has happened before in this case. Bizarre.

 

[otto]

Sorry to quote myself, but I find the timing of released statements interesting. :blushing:

The very same comments were posted on the Evansdale police facebook page a few weeks ago, so what is it about that timing that is so significant?

 

[BunnyHop]

If Smock doesn't mean what he is saying, what exactly is he saying that he isn't saying?

Why is it so difficult to trust what police say in this case?

More about body language in that video, carefully chosen words and timing of released statements. I tend to look outside the box and follow my instincts, but that's just me. :great:

BBM well..................
Again, it's my observations about timing, connections etc.
I tend to read between the lines Otto. I also trust my instincts.

ddsmiley:

 

[threecrazykids]

I hope I don't get in trouble for asking this, but it's something that I feel compelled to ask,point out, whatever you want to call it.

What's everyone's thoughts on this HYPOTHETICAL situation?

If LE thought an arrest was on the horizon, or was building a case against someone, and that person was going to be a member of the family, do you think LE would have stepped in to intervene (behind the scenes) in the progression of the park renovation/memorial?

I just can't help but think how furious I would be as a member of the community if I found out that I'd donated money,time, and supported this family in promoting concerts, complete park renovations that will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, etc. only to find out they knew all along that the family was involved.

I can tell you my town would be in a complete uproar. We are a town of about 2500 people, and small towns can either be your best friend or your worst enemy.

I don't think anyone in LE would feel that these girls don't deserve a memorial. That's not the case. But I think it would be a very tough call (on a personal and emotional level) to sit back and know that the people of YOUR town are contributing to such a great cause...only to find out possibly years down the road that their support (financial or otherwise) was in vain.

I don't even know that it would be possible for LE to do anything. I just wonder how you feel they would/could handle a situation like that.

Personally I'm still on the fence. Part of me thinks someone would step in and say "no way...we can't let this happen". The other part of me thinks LE would sit back with their hands tied and mouth shut thinking "this is going to be a NIGHTMARE when we make an arrest".

 

[BunnyHop]

Yes, it seems that way.

BBM :blushing:

 

[otto]

I hope I don't get in trouble for asking this, but it's something that I feel compelled to ask,point out, whatever you want to call it.

What's everyone's thoughts on this HYPOTHETICAL situation?

If LE thought an arrest was on the horizon, or was building a case against someone, and that person was going to be a member of the family, do you think LE would have stepped in to intervene (behind the scenes) in the progression of the park renovation/memorial?

I just can't help but think how furious I would be as a member of the community if I found out that I'd donated money,time, and supported this family in promoting concerts, complete park renovations that will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, etc. only to find out they knew all along that the family was involved.

I can tell you my town would be in a complete uproar. We are a town of about 2500 people, and small towns can either be your best friend or your worst enemy.

I don't think anyone in LE would feel that these girls don't deserve a memorial. That's not the case. But I think it would be a very tough call (on a personal and emotional level) to sit back and know that the people of YOUR town are contributing to such a great cause...only to find out possibly years down the road that their support (financial or otherwise) was in vain.

I don't even know that it would be possible for LE to do anything. I just wonder how you feel they would/could handle a situation like that.

Personally I'm still on the fence. Part of me thinks someone would step in and say "no way...we can't let this happen". The other part of me thinks LE would sit back with their hands tied and mouth shut thinking "this is going to be a NIGHTMARE when we make an arrest".

Police are discussing the abduction/murder of the children in the context of "stranger danger", stating that:

"I don't think people should be scared -- I certainly don't advocate that," Smock said. "I think we want to learn a lesson from last year. We want to be careful, we want to be cautious, but I don't think there's a need for parents to be scared. You certainly don't need to keep your kids indoors."

Doesn't that police position exclude family involvement in the murder of their own children?

 

[otto]

More about body language in that video, carefully chosen words and timing of released statements. I tend to look outaide the box and follow my instincts, but that's just me. :great:

BBM well..................
Again, it's my observations about timing, connections etc.
I tend to read between the lines Otto. I also trust my instincts.

ddsmiley:

When police discussed witness statements about the children cycling near the lake at about 12:30 on July 13, no one wanted to believe them because that didn't work with the cyclist's claims. Police are now saying "stranger danger" and "Lyric/Elizabeth" in the same sentence, but people don't want to believe it.

Why is that?

 

[BunnyHop]

If Smock doesn't mean what he is saying, what exactly is he saying that he isn't saying?

Why is it so difficult to trust what police say in this case?

It's actually quite funny when you think about it. There are pages and pages of complaints about the police not releasing information and then when they do release information, no one believes them. This has happened before in this case. Bizarre.

Respectfully Otto,

You ask interesting questions.
I question what they are releasing and the timing with news releases.
There are friends involved in all this Eh?

Who's connected to whom?

I don't know how old you are (not that has anything to do with anything)
I may be old enough to be your mother? I've been around the blocks a few hundred times Darlin.

I am merely sharing my observations within forum guidelines.

Unfortunately, I cannot say what I really want to say.

Comprendes?

 

[BunnyHop]

I'm going to sleepy land.
Have a great night all.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOj7xzGx2Bo

 

[Marilynilpa]

If Smock doesn't mean what he is saying, what exactly is he saying that he isn't saying?

Why is it so difficult to trust what police say in this case?

It's actually quite funny when you think about it. There are pages and pages of complaints about the police not releasing information and then when they do release information, no one believes them. This has happened before in this case. Bizarre.

What info, exactly, did Smock release other than the fact that he is hopeful, but not certain, that the case will be resolved?

I certainly believe he meant what he was saying. That's why I found it discouraging.

 

[BunnyHop]

I hope I don't get in trouble for asking this, but it's something that I feel compelled to ask,point out, whatever you want to call it.

What's everyone's thoughts on this HYPOTHETICAL situation?

If LE thought an arrest was on the horizon, or was building a case against someone, and that person was going to be a member of the family, do you think LE would have stepped in to intervene (behind the scenes) in the progression of the park renovation/memorial?

I just can't help but think how furious I would be as a member of the community if I found out that I'd donated money,time, and supported this family in promoting concerts, complete park renovations that will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, etc. only to find out they knew all along that the family was involved.

I can tell you my town would be in a complete uproar. We are a town of about 2500 people, and small towns can either be your best friend or your worst enemy.

I don't think anyone in LE would feel that these girls don't deserve a memorial. That's not the case. But I think it would be a very tough call (on a personal and emotional level) to sit back and know that the people of YOUR town are contributing to such a great cause...only to find out possibly years down the road that their support (financial or otherwise) was in vain.

I don't even know that it would be possible for LE to do anything. I just wonder how you feel they would/could handle a situation like that.

Personally I'm still on the fence. Part of me thinks someone would step in and say "no way...we can't let this happen". The other part of me thinks LE would sit back with their hands tied and mouth shut thinking "this is going to be a NIGHTMARE when we make an arrest".

Read my last few comments. I always read between the lines and follow my instincts.

I'm an observer. I see what's going on...............


:thewave:


I have to go sleep ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[carbuff]

Police are discussing the abduction/murder of the children in the context of "stranger danger", stating that:

"I don't think people should be scared -- I certainly don't advocate that," Smock said. "I think we want to learn a lesson from last year. We want to be careful, we want to be cautious, but I don't think there's a need for parents to be scared. You certainly don't need to keep your kids indoors."

Doesn't that police position exclude family involvement in the murder of their own children?

It would seem to indicate the police are thinking in that direction, anyway.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I would like to know what aspect of Lyric and Elizabeth's abduction and murder that compels Smock to describe it as "very unique".:websleuther:

u·nique
/yo͞oˈnēk/
Adjective - Being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else: "the situation was unique in modern politics"; "original and unique designs".
Noun - A unique person or thing.
Synonyms - singular - single - only - sole - unparalleled

:waitasec:

 

[threecrazykids]

Police are discussing the abduction/murder of the children in the context of "stranger danger", stating that:

"I don't think people should be scared -- I certainly don't advocate that," Smock said. "I think we want to learn a lesson from last year. We want to be careful, we want to be cautious, but I don't think there's a need for parents to be scared. You certainly don't need to keep your kids indoors."

Doesn't that police position exclude family involvement in the murder of their own children?

Maybe you're right. I have a tendency to believe (and maybe I'm the only one of this opinion) that LE is doing everything they can to not leak ANYTHING that would compromise this investigation.

This to me is typical LE speak. This is what I would expect LE to say in regards to stranger danger. The only thing that they've mentioned in addition to what they would say in any interview regarding summer coming and the increased likelihood of attempted abductions, is that we "want to learn a lesson from last year". I hear LE giving the "same ole', same ole'" warning they would give. Obviously they have to mention the Lyric and Elizabeth's case, because isn't that the reason the media asked them in the first place? They want to know what they need to do and be aware of?

LE basically said "do nothing different than you would do BEFORE these girls went missing".

It's a catch 22 for me, otto. How can LE NOT be warning the public of a killer on the loose when no arrest has been made? Why SHOULDN'T the people of Evansdale be on high alert? The fact that they don't appear concerned about the children of the community has me wondering why...that's all.

 

[SapphireSteel]

If Smock doesn't mean what he is saying, what exactly is he saying that he isn't saying?

Why is it so difficult to trust what police say in this case?

It's actually quite funny when you think about it. There are pages and pages of complaints about the police not releasing information and then when they do release information, no one believes them. This has happened before in this case. Bizarre.

The statements by Smock are entirely benign and cannot be described as "releasing nformation" to the frustration of the sleuthers.. ullhair:

There is zero new information regarding the girls in his "stranger danger" burble, just a generic LE speech regarding supervising your kids, common sense rules, and warning risk may always be present (which it is).

He shares opinion and guidelines, not "information".

Those of us who study forensic linguistics got a lot out of what he didn't say, though, as well as what he did

:cow:

 

[otto]

Respectfully Otto,

You ask interesting questions.
I question what they are releasing and the timing with news releases.
There are friends involved in all this Eh?

Who's connected to whom?

I don't know how old you are (not that has anything to do with anything)
I may be old enough to be your mother? I've been around the blocks a few hundred times Darlin.

I am merely sharing my observations within forum guidelines.

Unfortunately, I cannot say what I really want to say.

Comprendes?

Police released the stranger danger information a few weeks ago. The media posted that information on April 11. The decisions by the media to post that information now doesn't mean much. What is the significance of police posting the information a few weeks ago?

 

[Marilynilpa]

Maybe you're right. I have a tendency to believe (and maybe I'm the only one of this opinion) that LE is doing everything they can to not leak ANYTHING that would compromise this investigation.

This to me is typical LE speak. This is what I would expect LE to say in regards to stranger danger. The only thing that they've mentioned in addition to what they would say in any interview regarding summer coming and the increased likelihood of attempted abductions, is that we "want to learn a lesson from last year". I hear LE giving the "same ole', same ole'" warning they would give. Obviously they have to mention the Lyric and Elizabeth's case, because isn't that the reason the media asked them in the first place? They want to know what they need to do and be aware of?

LE basically said "do nothing different than you would do BEFORE these girls went missing".

It's a catch 22 for me, otto. How can LE NOT be warning the public of a killer on the loose when no arrest has been made? Why SHOULDN'T the people of Evansdale be on high alert? The fact that they don't appear concerned about the children of the community has me wondering why...that's all.

It's enough to make me think LE knows who did this. JMO

 

[SapphireSteel]

It's enough to make me think LE knows who did this. JMO

I think they've known since Day 1.

:rocker:

 

[otto]

What info, exactly, did Smock release other than the fact that he is hopeful, but not certain, that the case will be resolved?

I certainly believe he meant what he was saying. That's why I found it discouraging.

In the context of discussing stranger danger, and advising the community to protect their children from strangers, Smock said "we want to learn a lesson from last year."

I have long believed that police do not have a suspect, so a statement suggesting that a stranger is responsible for the murder/abduction and that people need to be careful with their children tells me that police are concerned that this could happen again to another random child.