IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[otto]

It's enough to make me think LE knows who did this. JMO

When police have a suspect, they tell the community that it was an isolated event and there is no danger to the community. Smock is saying the exact opposite.

 

[SapphireSteel]

In the context of discussing stranger danger, and advising the community to protect their children from strangers, Smock said "we want to learn a lesson from last year."

I have long believed that police do not have a suspect, so a statement suggesting that a stranger is responsible for the murder/abduction and that people need to be careful with their children tells me that police are concerned that this could happen again to another random child.

Otto - what do you think Smock meant when he described this crime as "very unique"?

 

[SapphireSteel]

When police have a suspect, they tell the community that it was an isolated event and there is no danger to the community. Smock is saying the exact opposite.

They do?

Do you have links to examples?

 

[BunnyHop]

Police released the stranger danger information a few weeks ago. The media posted that information on April 11. The decisions by the media to post that information now doesn't mean much. What is the significance of police posting the information a few weeks ago?

You tell me...................

:fence:

 

[roseofsharon]

Could this perp actually be living in WC's neighbourhood?

Did this perpetrator become obsessed with L and wonder where WC and L went on the days they were at HC's home and decide to follow WC on previous occasions and plan the abduction/murder for that day after familiarizing themselves with the routine the girls had.

If this person was known to L from her grandma's neighbourhood, she may have felt safe to go along with whatever lure was used.

Do we know if LE went door to door in WC's neighbourhood looking for a clue.

How many RSO's were cleared in a one mile radius of WC's home?

IMO

 

[carbuff]

In the context of discussing stranger danger, and advising the community to protect their children from strangers, Smock said "we want to learn a lesson from last year."

I have long believed that police do not have a suspect, so a statement suggesting that a stranger is responsible for the murder/abduction and that people need to be careful with their children tells me that police are concerned that this could happen again to another random child.

Or that they're concerned with covering their own behinds.

 

[Marilynilpa]

When police have a suspect, they tell the community that it was an isolated event and there is no danger to the community. Smock is saying the exact opposite.

Smock calls this a "very unique situation." IMO, that is kind of like saying it was an isolated event, i.e., something not likely to happen again due to it's unique nature.

As for saying there is no danger to the community, Smock says:

"We want to be careful, we want to be cautious, but I don't think there's a need for parents to be scared."

If there is an unknown killer loose in the community, there is danger, pure and simple.

Since Smock said there is no need for parents to be scared, then IMO there is no immediate danger to the community. And my interpretation of that (which is different than yours) is that LE feels there is no immediate danger because they know who committed this heinous crime. JMO.

 

[BunnyHop]

I notice at :54 the camera focuses on him fidgeting with his bracelet.
Just something I noticed.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21941711/...f-says-stranger-danger-conversation-important

Nitey Nite.

Check it again. :twocents:

 

[Squeeze]

In the context of discussing stranger danger, and advising the community to protect their children from strangers, Smock said "we want to learn a lesson from last year."

I have long believed that police do not have a suspect, so a statement suggesting that a stranger is responsible for the murder/abduction and that people need to be careful with their children tells me that police are concerned that this could happen again to another random child.

I agree with SS that it is entirely possible that they've had a suspect from day one. Again, pointing to the Evelyn Miller case that took SEVEN YEARS to arrest a suspect. If they are watching this person or they are already in jail, then they have plenty of time to build their case. Although the family and public would really prefer that the perp is caught, that cannot be LEs concern. They have to make sure they have an airtight case. Whether or not that is the case, I dont know.

So, whether or not this is the case, Kent Smock SHOULD use this opportunity to remind the public about stranger danger. Use it as an example so people will wake up and not be so passive that it COULD happen in Evansdale Iowa, regardless of whether or not it already has. Parents should be more vigilant about where their kids are and who they are with, AND others need to be on the lookout for suspicious activity all the time.

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[Ommmm]

I think "a very unique situation" could also be words chosen to reference the fact that things like this have not been commonplace to Evansdale.

I also think it's possible that he could be revealing they have had some kind of indication that the girls were targeted specifically, and not children in the community, in general.

I wish I knew.

 

[georger]

Yet I interpret it the opposite way! :moo:

I am reassured by his speech...heavily snipped by me to illustrate why -
.
"This was a very unique situation with those two girls, and hopefully one that will come to resolution here shortly...Smock emphasized people should not be scared to let their children play outside..."I don't think there's a need for parents to be scared. You certainly don't need to keep your kids indoors."

He speaks of a "unique situation".

Most folks assume two girls missing and murdered are a sexual predator type situation, but Smock clearly implies that was NOT what happened here...it is "unique", meaning there has been no other like it.

He also speaks of the crime as a "situation" which is a strangely soft word to use for a double abduction/rape/murder.


:cow:

Where I come from "situation" equals "family".

So, he is saying Mr. Situation killed the girls?

 

[georger]

I suppose it's open to interpretation, since I took it to mean something different.

Everyone will have a different interpretation, because its LE Double-Speak
and mumbo-jumbo.

 

[georger]

Smock is advising the community to ensure that children are aware of the fact that strangers can be dangerous. He then says that losing Lyric and Elizabeth serves as a reminder that dangerous strangers can even happen in Evansdale.

It seems straight forward.

Did anyone ask him: WHY!?

 

[georger]

I would like to know what aspect of Lyric and Elizabeth's abduction and murder that compels Smock to describe it as "very unique".:websleuther:

u·nique
/yo͞oˈnēk/
Adjective - Being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else: "the situation was unique in modern politics"; "original and unique designs".
Noun - A unique person or thing.
Synonyms - singular - single - only - sole - unparalleled

:waitasec:

We-ull, is he saying it is unique for a crime to occur without any
evidence? And "very" unique for a crime to occur without even a shred of
evidence?

Fact is Smock is speaking in "metaphors". :banghead: Can't he speak in plain ordinary language (English) for a change?

Very unique might involve a ufo!

 

[georger]

Those of us who study forensic linguistics got a lot out of what he didn't say, though, as well as what he did

:cow:[/quote]

Such as?

I have a degree in Linguistics and Ed Psych Measurement. You can tell me!
I won't tell!

What is it?

 

[alliemay]

In the context of discussing stranger danger, and advising the community to protect their children from strangers, Smock said "we want to learn a lesson from last year."

I have long believed that police do not have a suspect, so a statement suggesting that a stranger is responsible for the murder/abduction and that people need to be careful with their children tells me that police are concerned that this could happen again to another random child.

I don't think they have a suspect either or they would have connected this person, somehow, early on to seven bridges, as it was hunters found the bodies not LE, as far as we know they were not even looking close to that area. What they were doing was asking hunters to pay attention when they went into the woods.

 

[georger]

as it was hunters found the bodies not LE, as far as we know they were not even looking close to that area.

What they were doing was asking hunters to pay attention when they went into the woods.[/quote]

Exactly. The public has a much bigger footprint than law enforcement. LE
can't be everywhere at once. So you must use the public (tactically), and
you do that with ..... information. Phrases like 'very unique' and 'situation'
are not information.

:banghead:

 

[BunnyHop]

Police released the stranger danger information a few weeks ago. The media posted that information on April 11. The decisions by the media to post that information now doesn't mean much. What is the significance of police posting the information a few weeks ago?

For me, it's about the timing. (+recent local events)
We have little else to go on.
:banghead:

 

[cindersoot]

I really believe that LE knows a stranger did this, and that is why they are telling the people of Evansdale to explain to their children about stranger danger. The warm weather means more children will be out and about and it is their way of giving a warning, yet in a calm way. What makes me angry is the way it is being sugar coated. What if this summer brings another abduction?

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

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