IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[B4igo2it]

IMO, it is safe to assume that whoever took the girls did know the areas and knew them well. If a person casually went to Meyers Lake area, would they know about the pump house? The gate area for maintenance? No way do I believe a random visitor coming off the interstate would know about 7B either. IMHO, a local is responsible.
Thank you for the photos ...they open my eyes to the surroundings and areas, even though they make me sad.

 

[superbee]

Good night friends, I'm beat.

Sleep well, and sweet dreams.

 

[georger]

lease: Thanking the Lord the bodies were found when they were!

I think there is something to be said about that - what I'm not sure.
Maybe something about the perp. His orientation is in the radius from
7-Bridges to Evansdale? The bodies very easily could never have been found.
At least now there is closure.

 

[BunnyHop]

Just doing some looking about to see if there's anything new.
found this:

WATERLOO (KWWL) -
If you need help in an emergency, your first instinct is probably to call 911.

It's often a thankless job for the thousands of dispatchers who answer those 24/7 calls.

But this week, those dispatchers are being recognized as a part of National Public Safety Telecommunications Week.

Black Hawk County dispatch answers over 600,000 calls a year, 10 percent of which are emergency calls.

During the past year, local dispatchers also manned the tip line for calls about Evansdale cousins Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins, a task which they'll be honored for next month.

The dispatch center in Waterloo is still one of just a handful of centers nationwide to accept 911 text messages, but that service is only available through one cell carrier -- so there's still a lot of work to do to keep up with constantly changing technology.

Black Hawk County dispatchers work around the clock to make sure when someone calls 911, emergency crews get to them quickly.

"Sometimes they do things like CPR over the phone, deliver babies over the phone," said Judy Flores, Black Hawk County Dispatch Director. "They listen to people getting assaulted. They hear it all, and they have to be able to calm that caller, and get the necessary information for them so we can get help to them."

In the past 20 years, cell phones have dramatically changed how 911 dispatchers do their jobs.
http://www.kwwl.com/story/21984433/2013/04/15/911-centers-adapt-to-changing-technology

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzpJ70MEJ0

 

[threecrazykids]

On the way home I got to thinking about all the deer cams at seven bridges. I thought well what are they going to do, contact everyone that visits the area to see if they are a suspect. Then it hit me that they already have a suspect, but not enough evidence and they want to see if he visits the scene of his crime as so many of them do.

Dang it! I was hoping they'd bring me in for questioning so I could get some of the answers I am looking for. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[threecrazykids]

Good point about the water. Yes, I've thought "fisherman" all along, despite Myers Lake supposedly not being great fishing. Well, when I'm not thinking about tearing my hair out....

I wonder if people from Evansdale would be able to stir up some ideas of people who are regularly seen fishing at Meyer's Lake.:waitasec:

Honestly...I just don't see this being a kid. And by kid I'm still counting 18/19 year olds.

Seven bridges may be a big druggie hang out, drinking place, etc...but I just don't get the vibe that this is a place a kid would think of. Kids to me are way more concerned with getting caught so they are either going to just dump the bodies on a random gravel road and get outta dodge OR they are going to dispose of the body somehow in their own backyard.

IMO This person is VERY familiar with the area...KNEW where this specific location was, and had planned to use this park as a dumping ground well ahead of time.

Even though the park is not used frequently, those gates are going to be closed in the evening so I'd almost have to assume that the dumping did NOT happen under the cover of night.

This is NOT a place you'd find in the dark unless you knew it was there and had been there several times...let alone the walk back into the woods.

This took too much planning (in my mind) for a young kid to do this. I just can't see kids taking that risk of getting caught in the middle of the day...there's way too high of a chance of someone being at that park and seeing the perp with two girls.

 

[BunnyHop]

Also going back to view old stories.

"and close friends?" :twocents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ffdVDLGbw

 

[BunnyHop]

I wonder if people from Evansdale would be able to stir up some ideas of people who are regularly seen fishing at Meyer's Lake.:waitasec:

Honestly...I just don't see this being a kid. And by kid I'm still counting 18/19 year olds.

Seven bridges may be a big druggie hang out, drinking place, etc...but I just don't get the vibe that this is a place a kid would think of. Kids to me are way more concerned with getting caught so they are either going to just dump the bodies on a random gravel road and get outta dodge OR they are going to dispose of the body somehow in their own backyard.

IMO This person is VERY familiar with the area...KNEW where this specific location was, and had planned to use this park as a dumping ground well ahead of time.

Even though the park is not used frequently, those gates are going to be closed in the evening so I'd almost have to assume that the dumping did NOT happen under the cover of night.

This is NOT a place you'd find in the dark unless you knew it was there and had been there several times...let alone the walk back into the woods.

This took too much planning (in my mind) for a young kid to do this. I just can't see kids taking that risk of getting caught in the middle of the day...there's way too high of a chance of someone being at that park and seeing the perp with two girls.

This reminds me of an old story. My son, now 32 went to HS with a kid who was arrested. He was targeting children. He worked driving an ice cream truck in the summer. When the news broke, we were all shocked, especially my son. I talked with him at the time asking about behavior etc. My son was shocked. He said there was always something a bit odd/off about this kid. As far as I know, he's still in jail. :jail:

 

[threecrazykids]

On the way home I got to thinking about all the deer cams at seven bridges. I thought well what are they going to do, contact everyone that visits the area to see if they are a suspect. Then it hit me that they already have a suspect, but not enough evidence and they want to see if he visits the scene of his crime as so many of them do.

Ok, so let me play devil's advocate here on this one just for discussion purposes. :blushing:

If this person "walks among you", "lives among you", and more than likely has included himself in the searches, funerals, renovation of the lake, etc. how would him being at the site really mean anything (as far as "ah ha...we got him!") ?

If he's familiar with the girls...close to them (or the family) in any way, would it really be all that unreasonable for him to visit the site of where the girls were found? Why would that be suspicious?

Even if you see him on camera breaking down and crying, etc. it would very easily be explained (by a defense attorney) that he was simply grieving the loss of the girls and had a moment of heartache being at the location the girls were found.

I get the fact that the deer cams are an attempt to monitor the area...but if this person has been toe to toe with the families, him visiting the site they were found really wouldn't be considered all that suspicious.

 

[threecrazykids]

If the perp(s) was someone familiar to the family (neighbor, relative, etc) then chances are they'd know she had a cell phone and if a girl that age has a cell phone and carries a purse, there's a pretty good chance the phone is in the purse. Or..... if it was someone that had been watching/stalking/following Elizabeth, watching every step she took, for example-what routes she rode, about what times etc., then maybe they had observed she had a cell phone (even though it was apparently to play games on only, if I recall correctly) which the perp(s) may not have known it was to play games on only and irregardless, they didn't want to take a chance by bringing it along. After all, the bikes were left behind and the girls disappeared, so what is so unusual that the purse and phone being left behind??

Also, I think we discussed this part before but I can't remember what we decided or if we did: Can't you still call 911 from any cell phone even if it is not activated to make calls?? Can anyone answer this please?

Yes, the cell phone was able to make 911 calls. LE confirmed that I believe in one of the early pressers.

You could very well be right...if this person stalked Elizabeth, or was even close with the family, they'd know all about the phone.

A random perp wouldn't have known the cell phone was in the purse.

 

[BunnyHop]

Just revisiting old videos :fence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=OXQOKoZYWWs&feature=endscreen

 

[BunnyHop]

Ok, so let me play devil's advocate here on this one just for discussion purposes. :blushing:

If this person "walks among you", "lives among you", and more than likely has included himself in the searches, funerals, renovation of the lake, etc. how would him being at the site really mean anything (as far as "ah ha...we got him!" ?

If he's familiar with the girls...close to them (or the family) in any way, would it really be all that unreasonable for him to visit the site of where the girls were found? Why would that be suspicious?

Even if you see him on camera breaking down and crying, etc. it would very easily be explained (by a defense attorney) that he was simply grieving the loss of the girls and had a moment of heartache being at the location the girls were found.

I get the fact that the deer cams are an attempt to monitor the area...but if this person has been toe to toe with the families, him visiting the site they were found really wouldn't be considered all that suspicious.

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my post about "close friends" :seeya:

 

[alliemay]

Good points 3CK, but I'm just thinking they would be suspicious of anyone they saw visiting the site, it's possible that they have already checked on you and cinder through your license plate and found nothing out of the ordinary, so they go on to the next person who was on the camera. I don't think they are ruling out anyone that they haven't already investigated. IMO

 

[threecrazykids]

Also going back to view old stories.

"and close friends?" :twocents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ffdVDLGbw

I've caught that comment in interviews as well.

LE has stated, and stressed, this is a local, who lives among them, works among them, etc. Seven bridges also SCREAMS local knowledge. LE wasn't discouraged by the passsing of time and feel that "someone knows what happened to these girls".

I think the comment of "close friends" speaks volumes. She states they "aren't receiving full cooperation of family and close friends".

Well...we know that Dan and Misty were the family members who temporarily weren't cooperating. Dan stormed out after they accused him, and he and Misty lawyered up. After further conversations with LE, they dropped the lawyer and were then again cooperating and Misty requested that a family member be with them during any further questioning. At the same time LE came out and said Lyric's parents are not considered suspects.

So, what does that tell us?

 

[threecrazykids]

This reminds me of an old story. My son, now 32 went to HS with a kid who was arrested. He was targeting children. He worked driving an ice cream truck in the summer. When the news broke, we were all shocked, especially my son. I talked with him at the time asking about behavior etc. My son was shocked. He said there was always something a bit odd/off about this kid. As far as I know, he's still in jail. :jail:

Would a kid take 2 girls?

If there is no DNA match then we know this person didn't have a prior. Which again amazes me that Drew is so focused on sex offenders. :banghead:

If it was a registered sex offender, and they had any DNA,the perp would have already been arrested.

 

[Bootsctr]

The abducter of Midsi Sanchez kept her for a few days and she escaped before he killed her. The other girl he abducted he kept for two weeks before he killed her.

You rule cindersoot! :rocker: I knew you would be familiar with these cases!!! Midsi Sanchez said he kept her chained by the ankle to the steering column of his car and then this most evil and vile person would stop every so often and go into stores to watch the TV to see how LE was progressing with her abduction. Xiena was kept at least two weeks in his apartment and rented out to other pedophiles.

ETA: The perp made himself familiar to Xiena. He knew the route she took to the bus stop (over 100 pedophiles within this child's apartment (where her room was a closet) and gave her candy one day. The next day he knew her name and asked Xiena if she wanted to go for a ride...

With Midsi, he pretended to be handicapped. Got out of the car. she had seen him watching her in the rearview mirrow and when she approached he got out of the car with a cane and said he was handicapped and couldn't reach something he had dropped in the floorboard. It was a roll of duct tape. She bent over to pick it up for him and he shoved her in the car and slammed the door. She tried to get out, but the door had been jimmied with and could not be opened from the inside.

 

[BunnyHop]

Would a kid take 2 girls?

If there is no DNA match then we know this person didn't have a prior. Which again amazes me that Drew is so focused on sex offenders. :banghead:

If it was a registered sex offender, and they had any DNA,the perp would have already been arrested.

The point of my old story, is that pedophiles walk among us, mostly undetected-unless someone is paying attention. I'm also following the Travis case, and witness testified yesterday that there are behavioral patterns involved. :rocker:

My son, for example, was not privy to these patterns until they came to light. Then, and only then did the pieces come together. Also they were in HS, so rather unsophisticated and unsuspecting................until
the patterns came to light. Then and only then, could we have an open discussion about behavior etc.

I asked him; "what did you notice?" "Was he odd?" Etc..........
My son was devastated, that a HS acquaintance would be capable of such behavior. :twocents:

Now, I'm not saying this perp is an RSO, merely following on "close friends".

 

[alliemay]

Years ago I had a friend who's husband molested her niece. There was no DNA for him because he didn't actually have intercourse with her. But there was enough of everything else to put him away for eight years. So thinking its possible that many RSO do not have DNA in the system.

 

[Bootsctr]

Good point about the water. Yes, I've thought "fisherman" all along, despite Myers Lake supposedly not being great fishing. Well, when I'm not thinking about tearing my hair out....

It was restocked in 2008 after a huge fish kill! Makes me wonder if someone poisened the fish, but then again I think I read it had something to do with low oxygen levels in the water...

So I am assuming there are fish albeit the area is probably overfished.

 

[threecrazykids]

Years ago I had a friend who's husband molested her niece. There was no DNA for him because he didn't actually have intercourse with her. But there was enough of everything else to put him away for eight years. So thinking its possible that many RSO do not have DNA in the system.

So, just curoius...when he was booked for the 8 years, I wonder if they took DNA to have in the database (we all know everyone gets fingerprinted) as well. :waitasec:

I would think LE would want to have a DNA sample of all RSO's on file, especially when they are released on parole/probation.