IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[Marilynilpa]

It just hit me. Are you referring to Rose of Sharon?

Rose of Sharon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

True hibiscus are tropical.

I posted a link upthread to a site discussing three varieties of hibiscus that can grow in Iowa. Rose of Sharon is one of them. The others are the Hardy Hibiscus or Rose Mallow, and the Tropical Hibiscus.

Here's the link again:

http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/2008/9-10/hibiscus.html

 

[otto]

I want to address this again. IMHO this project was not planned by any real landscapers. Real landscapers have architectural degrees. They are licensed, they have credentials. They do real plans, look at native materials etc. They would never, ever post that silly picture.

I have also worked in interior design and read blueprints. There have been no blueprints provided by anyone as far as I can see. Otto did a far more superior rendering........... :seeya:

And, that was still not a true architectural blueprint.

No engineers, no planning board, nada, zippo, zeeda.

Recently, I had to go before my town Architectural Review Board to present my sign. A sign. Get it?

They approved me, because it was tasteful and within guidelines (The code is strict), I did go with a big sense of humor. :blushing:

I don't have a problem with the artist's illustration of how the park might look when the memorial renovation is complete. The people that are doing this obviously have to start somewhere, and that appears to be where they started.

Even though the renderings that I produced are not "true architectural blueprints", they weren't meant to be true architectural blueprints. That seems to be neither here nor there. Do you want "true architectural blueprints?" Draw up a plan (pencil on paper) for the Island, post it and I'll see what I can do regarding architectural blueprints.

It seems to me that what's done is done. The trees are gone and the memorial is planned. Shouldn't we be supportive, rather than critical of whatever comes next?

 

[BunnyHop]

Hibiscus:
Hibiscus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I really don't want to beat a dead horse here.
But I do know a bit about gardens and flowers.

True hibiscus are tropical. The planners" may have meant rose of sharon.

But again, there are no real plans submitted to review.

Real plans would include budget, work schedules, real blue prints, timing, real plant material, native species etc. I have not seen any of that.

Also when presenting horticultural plans, Latin names are standard.

Just saying..................... :fence:

 

[BunnyHop]

I don't have a problem with the artist's illustration of how the park might look when the memorial renovation is complete. The people that are doing this obviously have to start somewhere, and that appears to be where they started.

Even though the renderings that I produced are not "true architectural blueprints", they weren't meant to be true architectural blueprints. That seems to be neither here nor there. Do you want "true architectural blueprints?" Draw up a plan (pencil on paper) for the Island, post it and I'll see what I can do regarding architectural blueprints.

It seems to me that what's done is done. The trees are gone and the memorial is planned. Shouldn't we be supportive, rather than critical of whatever comes next?

BBM. No thank you. I would leave it up to a true landscape designer.
Someone with real credentials that knows what they're doing. :seeya::moo::seeya:

 

[BunnyHop]

I don't have a problem with the artist's illustration of how the park might look when the memorial renovation is complete. The people that are doing this obviously have to start somewhere, and that appears to be where they started.

Even though the renderings that I produced are not "true architectural blueprints", they weren't meant to be true architectural blueprints. That seems to be neither here nor there. Do you want "true architectural blueprints?" Draw up a plan (pencil on paper) for the Island, post it and I'll see what I can do regarding architectural blueprints.

It seems to me that what's done is done. The trees are gone and the memorial is planned. Shouldn't we be supportive, rather than critical of whatever comes next?

Otto, I was giving you kudos. :facepalm:

 

[otto]

Hibiscus:
Hibiscus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I really don't want to beat a dead horse here.
But I do know a bit about gardens and flowers.

True hibiscus are tropical. The planners" may have meant rose of sharon.

But again, there are no real plans submitted to review.

Real plans would include budget, work schedules, real blue prints, timing, real plant material, native species etc. I have not seen any of that.

Also when presenting horticultural plans, Latin names are standard.

Just saying..................... :fence:

Is there a link to the "hibiscus" on the Island?

 

[otto]

Otto, I was giving you kudos. :facepalm:

Thanks. I'm guessing that the project is in the planning stage and that's why plans haven't yet been published.

I see a lot of criticism of the family and city council's decision to turn the Island into a memorial. I don't really understand the upside of the criticism. When the trees first came down, it's understandable that there was some shock, but that happened a few weeks ago now ... the shock is gone. I think it's better to now to be supportive of the future project rather than continue to criticize something that was a done deal when the snow was still flying.

 

[BunnyHop]

nitey folks.

:heartbeat::heartbeat::heartbeat:

fftobed:

 

[alliemay]

Why do you ask? :fence:

Was trying to follow someone, but now it's basically a dead end because that person was deported. I was just curious how close Tyson factory was to Myers Lake.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Thanks. I'm guessing that the project is in the planning stage and that's why plans haven't yet been published.

I see a lot of criticism of the family and city council's decision to turn the Island into a memorial. I don't really understand the upside of the criticism. When the trees first came down, it's understandable that there was some shock, but that happened a few weeks ago now ... the shock is gone. I think it's better to now to be supportive of the future project rather than continue to criticize something that was a done deal when the snow was still flying.

My criticism is what I perceive to be a lack of accountability over this project. The people most impacted by this clearing of the island, the residents living nearby, don't seem to have gotten full disclosure on what was going to take place on the island - i.e., stripping it bare of trees.

But as you said, at this point it appears to be a done deal so nothing else remains but to hope the memorial truly does become something befitting the memory of Lyric and Lizzie. JMO.

 

[Bootsctr]

This is trivial, but I don't understand planting hibiscus in Iowa. Hibiscus is a tropical plant. I grew up in south FL where the flowers bloom year round. I now live in southeast GA. I put hibiscus in pots in my yard during the summer and overwinter them in a portable greenhouse. We don't really get cold weather like Iowa does. The hibiscus will not overwinter and come back the next year even in our area if left outside during winter.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but won't these flowers have to be replaced each year or changed to other flowers. An ongoing expense if so.

I agree! We can grow a native hibscus here in Texas as a perennial, but not a tropical hibiscus. I considered the ones featured in the Angels Memorial video tropical - not a native plant! I agree they will have to be replaced each year. :nevermind:

 

[carbuff]

I agree! We can grow a native hibscus here in Texas as a perennial, but not a tropical hibiscus. I considered the ones featured in the Angels Memorial video tropical - not a native plant! I agree they will have to be replaced each year.

Tropical hibiscus are popular around here -- people put them in large pots and bring them inside for the winter. I suppose that's not practical for a park, though.

 

[joerose]

I have thought about the purse being left behind too. I just get the feeling that IF they were taken from the lake that they had put the purse down while playing, and were called away from the water into the enclosed area. Then things happened so fast they didn't have time to go back...OR were ordered to not go back for the purse.

My point in the purse left behind was simply that there was (reportedly) no OBVIOUS sign of struggle...like the strap on the purse being broken, or the purses contents ransacked.

I don't know WHY the purse was taken along for the ride in the first place...I hated carrying things on my bike...it just slowed me down. So it makes me wonder if there was something in the contents that could be a clue.

On the other hand, I can easily see it being left unattended, or even left behind in just typical 8 year old behavior. It could very easily have been used just to have a clock on hand to check the time if they were told what time they needed to be back.

Yes, I agree. They very well could have wandered off away from their bikes and had set the purse down and were grabbed or whatever happened after they had left the area where the bikes and purse were found. I think that makes a lot of sense.

 

[Reverie]

Just revisiting old videos :fence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=OXQOKoZYWWs&feature=endscreen

Thanks for sharing this Bunny!
That pregnant pause after mentioning that the girls cleaned everyday at the Collins' still makes me wonder.

Also the part where she mentions that Lyric was a "leader", giving the example of her gettiing "lost in the woods"....?! OMG

 

[B4igo2it]

There is a difference between child molesters and pedophiles. A child molester is often a stranger to the family. He is the one who targets a child he sees and often acts almost immediately on his impulse. He will grab the child, perform sexual acts, and sometimes will then murder the child. This is the criminal who will snatch a child from the grocery store, the mall, the park, or even from in front of the child's own house. These men have no love for children whatsoever. They act out of violence and a need to exert power over those who are weaker than themselves. While child molesters are often strangers, they can also be family members, neighbors or friends of the family.
Pedophiles, on the other hand, genuinely like kids. Sometimes he will invite the neighborhood children to his home to watch videos and play video games. He will give them candy and other snack foods.
(Internet Usage) The truth is that not only do they go into private chat with some of the kids, they often take it a step further and set up times and places to meet a few young teens in person.
They learn just what to say and do to ensure that the child is not likely to tell. They also learn what to do and say if they are caught. Pedophiles have their own online networking system.
Apparently these men are also experts at hiding the nature of their deviant sexual desires. Most of their friends, relatives, neighbors, coworkers and acquaintances are shocked when they find out that the man they know and like so much is a pedophile. They would never have guessed it, as he always seemed so likable, helpful and friendly.

(This is written by a mother who met the pedophile that attempted to groom her son - very interesting read IMHO.)

--May We ALL Remember The Victims ALWAYS--
and
--May They All Rest In Peace, FOREVER-

http://crimeshots.com/PEDOPHILES.html

 

[Bootsctr]

As brought up a few posts back, today I was thinking back to the disappearance of 7 yr old Somer Thompson in Florida ...
We lived the pain and agony of what it would be like to have a missing child through Somer's loving mother, Deina. She made it her mission to do everything possible to find her daughter, and then the killer. It hit so close to home, this was real and when Deina cried, so did we - we didn't even know them personally.
Again, we are faced with another missing child case except this time there are two victims. We are baffled by the lack of emergence in finding the killer (s) due to actions of the families & LE.
In Somer's case, we all knew from Day 1 that those responsible would be caught and held responsible because Deina & the Sheriff told us so - “There is a child killer on the loose, and that’s why we’re going to catch this person and bring him to justice,” Sheriff Rick Beseler of Clay County said early Thursday at a news conference outside Jacksonville, Fla. “This is a heinous crime that’s been committed. I fear for our community until we bring this person in.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/23girl.html?_r=0

:goodpost: Have we even heard the word heinous to describe Elizabeth and Lyric's deaths? No! SapphireSteel is correct! All the wording around this crime has been SOFT!

 

[Reverie]

I want to add something else. Last year, here in my neck of the woods...... there's teen hangout. Kegs and what not.

A HS boy was attacked one night while they were partying.
Perps beat his head with iron objects.

This boy was in a coma. My point is, kids party and do crazy .
The 2 assailants are still in jail as far as I know.

http://www.theexaminernews.com/north-salem-brothers-charged-with-assault-of-brewster-teens/

I also recall another story my son told me back in HS.
There has always been bullying and rivalries.
In the lunch room, one kid picked up a chair and struck another student over the head. He could have been killed that day.

My son was bullied throughout Middle School. He got very depressed. I took him for therapy weekly as I was very concerned. We went together.

We got through it together. He is happy and healthy now.
During one of our discussions, years later he told me:
"Mom, I got big, no one messed with me after that".

All this makes me feel so sad. I pray for our kids. lease:

You are a wonderful mom! :seeya:

 

[Marilynilpa]

Is there a link to the "hibiscus" on the Island?

I thought I saw something about it on the FB page for the Angels Park Memorial Island, but I just looked for it again and couldn't find it.

If I run across it again, I'll post it for you.

ETA: Here's a link, I hope it works for you:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...69240450610.1073741828.396410737133127&type=1

 

[Bootsctr]

Tropical hibiscus are popular around here -- people put them in large pots and bring them inside for the winter. I suppose that's not practical for a park, though.

Very true! Tropical hibiscus in pots would be a more practical idea. My mother-in-law overwintered a tropical hibiscus I gave her for Mother's Day a few years ago. It never really recovered to its former glory, but by gosh it lived and it leafed out again. I think if it had been overwintered in a greenhouse, it would have just fine.

 

[Bootsctr]

I thought I saw something about it on the FB page for the Angels Park Memorial Island, but I just looked for it again and couldn't find it.

If I run across it again, I'll post it for you.

ETA: Here's a link, I hope it works for you:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...69240450610.1073741828.396410737133127&type=1

It worked. Thank you Marilyn! :seeya: That's what we can grow here in Texas and it is just like the description says on the FB page. They bloom in July and then dry out during late summer and fall and regrow in the spring. You prune the dead branches back. Mine was red and the blooms were huge - 10 inch plate size.