IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[Bootsctr]

I hope it's okay to ask this question. Did Dan's girlfriend stay with him after he got locked up? Or did she move on? I don't mean it as sleuthing the family, was just wondering...

Somebody said she attended Lyric's funeral, and Dan was there so maybe they are probably still together. We need a local to comment on this one.

 

[Marilynilpa]

You would think that :facepalm: . . . BTW, the concert is coming up pretty quickly. Anybody remember where it is going to be held? Hope the weather is nice for the event.

It's going to be this Saturday at McElroy Auditorium in Waterloo.

 

[carbuff]

They do not commit the action unless the perfect opportunity arise's . I am a victim of this gross action at least four times in my life .My sister was also my Father's drunken frirend's we had to beware of any time theycame to our home. Stranger's parked in car's in Boston tried to abducted me . I told him I had to get a jacket and would be right back I ran to My home and told my Mother she ran so fast she almost caught up to his car .Trust me he was moving so was my Mom . We just never know where or when these predators appear we just have to train our kid's to be aware they are out there all over .They really are always around ! just talk to your children warn them of these things's and stay alert to the action's to all close friend's of your family's Boston in the city was tough for little girl's Pat

Oh no! So sorry you went through this, Pat.

 

[Bootsctr]

:rollercoaster: BRB! Off work now. Going to pour me a glass of sangria. Anyone care to join me?

Try to hold off on the drama until I get back. . . :dramaqueen:

 

[Marilynilpa]

I tend to agree with you, 3CK.

Recent research has seemed to indicate that the vast majority of sex offenders do not repeat. It doesn't make their initial crime any less heinous but it does mean that a great deal of the effort going to protect the public is being turned to places where it's not helping a lot. Maybe more of the effort and money could go to trying to figure out how to identify the ones who are likely to reoffend? I dunno. But it seems like most of this stuff with registries and addresses and public lists is not doing anything to make our kids safer.

carbuff, I felt you couldn't possibly be right so I did a little searching and I was surprised by the results:

First, the notion that recidivism (repeat offending) is inevitable needs a second look. Recently sex crimes researcher Jill Levenson of Lynn University in Florida and her colleagues found that the average member of the general public believes that 75 percent of sex offenders will reoffend. This perception is consistent with media portrayals in such television programs as Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, in which sex offenders are almost always portrayed as chronic repeaters.

The evidence suggests otherwise. Sex crimes researchers R. Karl Hanson and Kelly E. Morton-Bourgon of Public Safety Canada conducted a large-scale meta-analysis (quantitative review) of recidivism rates among adult sex offenders. They found a rate of 14 percent over a period averaging five to six years. Recidivism rates increased over time, reaching 24 percent by 15 years. The figures are clearly out of alignment with the public’s more dire expectations.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=misunderstood-crimes

 

[Bootsctr]

For all those who are certain this is a sexual predator abduction - why?

Is there some evidence/information I've overlooked? :dunno:

Sapphire, my friend, :crush: I'm so glad to see you. 3CK and I have been absolutely bored to tears!

First and foremost, I try to stay within the :innocent: :tos: :floorlaugh:
For all intents and purposes, to me, it looks and feels what a sexual predator abduction should feel like. Two children vanish seemingly off the face of the earth w/o a trace and then their bodies are found five months later at an out of the way place.

Hypothetically-speaking, if this was another situation where someone would gain something by the girls being dead, we have only circumstantial evidence from what I can tell. I think, if this ever goes to trial, the jury is going to want to see DNA evidence. If the murders were hypothetically performed by a family member, I just don't see DNA being much use. We need a confession in this hypothetical situation. That could be a long wait, maybe even never. Well, there was that one crazy dude that confessed from the jail, but I don't think the hypothetically proposed family member will ever confess.

 

[Marilynilpa]

View attachment 32329 See the area where the purse was found? Do you think the girls could of walked along the waters edge close to the fence to maiden lane?

I don't know the answer to that, but I'm surprised you didn't tackle the guy on the bike and ask him where he was on July 13th!

 

[Bootsctr]

carbuff, I felt you couldn't possibly be right so I did a little searching and I was surprised by the results:

First, the notion that recidivism (repeat offending) is inevitable needs a second look. Recently sex crimes researcher Jill Levenson of Lynn University in Florida and her colleagues found that the average member of the general public believes that 75 percent of sex offenders will reoffend. This perception is consistent with media portrayals in such television programs as Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, in which sex offenders are almost always portrayed as chronic repeaters.

The evidence suggests otherwise. Sex crimes researchers R. Karl Hanson and Kelly E. Morton-Bourgon of Public Safety Canada conducted a large-scale meta-analysis (quantitative review) of recidivism rates among adult sex offenders. They found a rate of 14 percent over a period averaging five to six years. Recidivism rates increased over time, reaching 24 percent by 15 years. The figures are clearly out of alignment with the public’s more dire expectations.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=misunderstood-crimes

I definitely was under the impression that most all sex offenders will continue to re-offend until caught, so the information suggesting otherwise is quite intriguing. Off to read the article. . . I clearly am misinformed if this is the case.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Sapphire, my friend, :crush: I'm so glad to see you. 3CK and I have been absolutely bored to tears!

First and foremost, I try to stay within the :innocent: :tos: :floorlaugh:
For all intents and purposes, to me, it looks and feels what a sexual predator abduction should feel like. Two children vanish seemingly off the face of the earth w/o a trace and then their bodies are found five months later at an out of the way place.

Hypothetically-speaking, if this was another situation where someone would gain something by the girls being dead, we have only circumstantial evidence from what I can tell. I think, if this ever goes to trial, the jury is going to want to see DNA evidence. If the murders were hypothetically performed by a family member, I just don't see DNA being much use. We need a confession in this hypothetical situation. That could be a long wait, maybe even never. Well, there was that one crazy dude that confessed from the jail, but I don't think the hypothetically proposed family member will ever confess.

I'm glad to see SS here, too, although I have to admit I feel slightly insulted that even with my presence, you've been bored to death. Just kidding!:blowkiss:

 

[Marilynilpa]

If you missed it, I did too. Personally, I feel that the only indication that would lead anyone to believe sexual predator is the fact that Drew is SO adamant about updating the registry, making harsher penalties for sex offenders etc. Yet, when asked, he says that LE has given him NO indication that a sexual predator is involved.

Kinda strange if you ask me.

I think it may be easier for Drew to feel this horrible crime was committed by a nameless, faceless sexual predator rather than someone known to him. JMO.

 

[Just Pat 22]

That's awful Just Pat! You are truly a survivor. Smart of you to think to say you needed a jacket and run away! I bet your mom, if she had caught him, would have kicked his arse!! You offer great advice from somewhere who has been there and done that! :seeya:

Yeah I was street wise very young I was only 7 year's old when that happenned . Mother had taught us well. :seeya:

 

[Marilynilpa]

I definitely was under the impression that most all sex offenders will continue to re-offend until caught, so the information suggesting otherwise is quite intriguing. Off to read the article. . . I clearly am misinformed if this is the case.

I'm completely surprised, as well.

I'd trying to find data regarding recidivism rates among offenders who abduct and rape young children. I'm thinking those rates will be higher than what I posted above.

 

[Bootsctr]

I don't know the answer to that, but I'm surprised you didn't tackle the guy on the bike and ask him where he was on July 13th!

LMBO! I can see cinder doing that..... :bicycle: :viking: :bigfight: uch: :winner: :angel: cindersoot!

 

[Bootsctr]

I'm glad to see SS here, too, although I have to admit I feel slightly insulted that even with my presence, you've been bored to death. Just kidding!:blowkiss:

My darling Marilyn! Never think that! :therethere: You are the queen of the links and I have learned so much from you. I simply thought you had wandered off too. Perhaps hone: or :juggle: or :genie: or :bath: As they say in Kitchen Stadium, you reign supreme here at Websleuths :goldcrown: :bow: :wave:

 

[Bootsctr]

Yeah I was street wise very young I was only 7 year's old when that happenned . Mother had taught us well. :seeya:

You remind me of the little girl, Midsi Sanchez, who escaped from her perp (Curtis Dean Anderson) after being chained to his steering column in his car for 2 days. He saw her escaping and told her to get back in the car and she told him basically to F OFF! She was 8.

 

[carbuff]

carbuff, I felt you couldn't possibly be right so I did a little searching and I was surprised by the results:

First, the notion that recidivism (repeat offending) is inevitable needs a second look. Recently sex crimes researcher Jill Levenson of Lynn University in Florida and her colleagues found that the average member of the general public believes that 75 percent of sex offenders will reoffend. This perception is consistent with media portrayals in such television programs as Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, in which sex offenders are almost always portrayed as chronic repeaters.

The evidence suggests otherwise. Sex crimes researchers R. Karl Hanson and Kelly E. Morton-Bourgon of Public Safety Canada conducted a large-scale meta-analysis (quantitative review) of recidivism rates among adult sex offenders. They found a rate of 14 percent over a period averaging five to six years. Recidivism rates increased over time, reaching 24 percent by 15 years. The figures are clearly out of alignment with the public’s more dire expectations.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=misunderstood-crimes

Thanks for posting those. There's another article I read recently that I can't find the pointer to. Hopefully it's on the big computer...

 

[cindersoot]

I think a horse ride for girls Elizabeth and Lyric's age would have been impossible to resist! So, you're thinking he targeted both of the girls. From the article that B4IGO4IT posted, it says pedophiles may be grooming several children at once and even in a sexual relationship with a child, like Sandusky.

I just think that Elizabeth and Lyric were always together riding their bikes and he really had no choice, take two cause if you leave one they will tell.

 

[threecrazykids]

:rollercoaster: BRB! Off work now. Going to pour me a glass of sangria. Anyone care to join me?

Try to hold off on the drama until I get back. . . :dramaqueen:

I would love to join ya, but I'm gonna party like a rock star on this Thursday night. I'm headed to get groceries in a bit. :woohoo:

No, no...don't everyone ask to join me...I only allow the hardest of partiers to come along for this kind of ride.

:rocker:

 

[Bootsctr]

carbuff, I felt you couldn't possibly be right so I did a little searching and I was surprised by the results:

First, the notion that recidivism (repeat offending) is inevitable needs a second look. Recently sex crimes researcher Jill Levenson of Lynn University in Florida and her colleagues found that the average member of the general public believes that 75 percent of sex offenders will reoffend. This perception is consistent with media portrayals in such television programs as Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, in which sex offenders are almost always portrayed as chronic repeaters.

The evidence suggests otherwise. Sex crimes researchers R. Karl Hanson and Kelly E. Morton-Bourgon of Public Safety Canada conducted a large-scale meta-analysis (quantitative review) of recidivism rates among adult sex offenders. They found a rate of 14 percent over a period averaging five to six years. Recidivism rates increased over time, reaching 24 percent by 15 years. The figures are clearly out of alignment with the public’s more dire expectations.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=misunderstood-crimes

The conclusion of the article made me feel better overall.... sbm

Most approaches employ a number of treatments. The majority include two components: cognitive-behavior therapy, which aims to change sexually deviant thoughts, behaviors and arousal patterns, and relapse prevention, which aims to teach sex offenders how to anticipate and cope with problems (such as feelings of anger or loneliness) that can lead to reoffending.

Although the development of treatments for sex offenders is still in its infancy, studies show that therapy can make a difference. Sex offenders are not all fated to repeat their horrible crimes, and we—through the actions of the general public, policy leaders and legislators—can encourage hope by supporting further research on such therapies.

I don't believe my molester (an uncle ever received any treatment). I cut all ties with him by age 17. I was horrified when his first child was a daughter. I hope he never molested her. As an adult, while the molestation itself was a sexual act, it did seem to me be about power too and him having control over someone else.

 

[Aymstriss]

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/wa...cle_eeea0e90-a846-11e2-b0d4-0019bb2963f4.html


Wonder where he was going?