IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #31

[Copper]

One thing I was wondering about last year was how a predator could just seemingly come out of nowhere. I was thinking it would have to be someone with history, to be so brazen and effective in disappearing L and E into thin air. So, Klunder seems to fill that in somewhat. But, I do agree with others that Klunder's character isn't matching up well with the calculating mastermind who stole L and E in broad daylight.

 

[georger]

One thing I was wondering about last year was how a predator could just seemingly come out of nowhere. I was thinking it would have to be someone with history, to be so brazen and effective in disappearing L and E into thin air. So, Klunder seems to fill that in somewhat. But, I do agree with others that Klunder's character isn't matching up well with the calculating mastermind who stole L and E in broad daylight.

This has been batted around before: calculating? mastermind? or just
lucky? Luck is partly defined by ample time to vanish before any real heat
comes down ... Klunder definitely would have had the physical skills in raw
brute force.

But I agree, right now this is all speculation. Hard facts have to come into
play and sooner or later they will -

 

[Snowbunny]

I can't get over how big this guy is. He could have easily manhandled the girls. .

This does explain how he is able to handle two at once! 6ft 6" x 240 lbs ! ?
Farm worker so in good physical condition.

:scared:[/QUOTE]

Wow, you make me feel like I created giants because both of my sons are 6'5" tall and weigh about 240 each and I'm just a little person at 5'4". I will say both of my boys are strong like an ox through, but both have big hearts. Tonight I watched my youngest cry his heart out. He's a Deputy Sheriff here and has been working on a missing person's case here for the past 4 days. He has had no sleep since the beginning of this case and tonight it came to a conclusion. No foul play, thank God, but I don't think it was a good turn out because of the statement LE put up on their facebook page:

The search for Mr. Nye has concluded. He has been found. We will release more information by mid-morning out of respect to the family.

We appreciate all of those involved in the search, those that have shared our statuses, searched their properties, called friends. We greatly appreciate all of your care and support.

Thank You

My son finally told me he now understands how I get so wrapped up on these missing person cases. This was his first case, even though he has been on active searches before and even been involved in the recovery process. He is the one who took the initial call for this guy going missing, even though he is not the Sheriff. This case really wiped him out. I hope he never has to go looking for a missing child because he will really take that to heart. He still gets very emotional when he thinks about the little 7 year old girl who died in his arms that he pulled out of a vehicle that had been hit by a drunk driver. He was 17 or 18 years old at the time and he was a firefighter/EMT. He still cries when he talks about how she took her last breath as he held her and he couldn't do anything. I can't begin to tell you how proud I am of my son. My son only had to deal with this for 4 days, but can you imagine what LE in Evansdale have gone through all these months? I can only imagine all the sleepless nights and turmoil they've had to endure. My heart goes out to LE for all they do and the hours they devote to each case.

 

[Bootsctr]

How would he get the bodies to a vehicle without being seen, parked where?

He killed them in the vehicle parked on Maiden Lane. Don't think the perp who killed Lizzie and Lyric is the one being discussed.

 

[Bootsctr]

I remember this happening in the Jessica Ridgeway case too, there was a second little girl who was kidnapped and sexually assaulted pretty much at the same time in the same area.

Even I thought they had to be related, they were so similar...too coincidental.

It turned out to be two separate perps, both sick individuals, operating separately and no relation whatsoever.

I think the same is true here - the crime we have is abduction and homicide. This guy has let his victims go, and had not badly hurt them while he had them.

It's beyond scary to think there can be two separate lunatics running around Iowa kidnapping girls in their twos which is why every one wants this guy to be the perp so badly...but he's just too much of a flake to have pulled off the girls imo.

:sigh:

I think this guy is a copy cat. He wanted to do something similar as what happened to Lyric and Elizabeth, but he lacked sophistication and was unable to pull it off. Killed himself as only a coward would do leaving more questions and putting Elizabeth and Lyric's families through pure torture. I'm sure he got some satisfaction from believing he would be credited or at least investigated as being involved in Lyric and Elizabeth's deaths. I would not discount him as a flake. He was extremely dangerous and a coward to boot. Unfortunately, I suspect we will have several copy cats. Evansdale and Waterloo and the surrounding communities are ripe for the picking of young victims. Tragically, it will have to happen again before some people take it seriously.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I remember this happening in the Jessica Ridgeway case too, there was a second little girl who was kidnapped and sexually assaulted pretty much at the same time in the same area.

Even I thought they had to be related, they were so similar...too coincidental.

It turned out to be two separate perps, both sick individuals, operating separately and no relation whatsoever.

I think the same is true here - the crime we have is abduction and homicide. This guy has let his victims go, and had not badly hurt them while he had them.

It's beyond scary to think there can be two separate lunatics running around Iowa kidnapping girls in their twos which is why every one wants this guy to be the perp so badly...but he's just too much of a flake to have pulled off the girls imo.

:sigh:

I agree with you.

I hope LE can quickly rule him out.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if Klunder's DNA is on file? I thought I read he did not have to register as an RSO due to the way his plea went, but could be wrong. Anyway, my point being, would LE have ever looked at this guy re: Elizabeth and Lyric if not for this crime? And does this mean they have no real suspect(s) and are open to anything, as I kind of feared?

(Still, you would think anyone who has been released from prison in recent years in Iowa should have been considered before now.)

 

[cindersoot]

Okay, I don't know why I didn't think of this before but wouldn't this guy of had his dna in a dna database? And if so, I'm sure that the data base was already checked in our girls case.

 

[leighmarker]

I wonder if Klunder's DNA is on file? I thought I read he did not have to register as an RSO due to the way his plea went, but could be wrong. Anyway, my point being, would LE have ever looked at this guy re: Elizabeth and Lyric if not for this crime? And does this mean they have no real suspect(s) and are open to anything, as I kind of feared?

(Still, you would think anyone who has been released from prison in recent years in Iowa should have been considered before now.)

Iowa law currently requires people convicted of felonies or sex offenses to provide DNA. Those samples then are entered into a database that compares them with unidentified DNA samples taken from crime scenes, both locally and nationally.
http://thegazette.com/2013/04/28/supporters-opponnts-debate-expanding-iowas-dna-collection/

 

[cindersoot]

I remember this happening in the Jessica Ridgeway case too, there was a second little girl who was kidnapped and sexually assaulted pretty much at the same time in the same area.

Even I thought they had to be related, they were so similar...too coincidental.

It turned out to be two separate perps, both sick individuals, operating separately and no relation whatsoever.

I think the same is true here - the crime we have is abduction and homicide. This guy has let his victims go, and had not badly hurt them while he had them.

It's beyond scary to think there can be two separate lunatics running around Iowa kidnapping girls in their twos which is why every one wants this guy to be the perp so badly...but he's just too much of a flake to have pulled off the girls imo.

:sigh:[/QUOTE

I read that it was found out later that he tryed to choke one of the three yr olds that he kidnapped.

 

[cindersoot]

Iowa law currently requires people convicted of felonies or sex offenses to provide DNA. Those samples then are entered into a database that compares them with unidentified DNA samples taken from crime scenes, both locally and nationally.
http://thegazette.com/2013/04/28/supporters-opponnts-debate-expanding-iowas-dna-collection/

Okay, so then why did LE say they are checking to see if he is connected to our girls?

 

[leighmarker]

good question.

 

[cindersoot]

I just really hope LE lets the public know if this guy is not the killer of the Evansdale girls. I'm afraid if nothing is said, the public will relax even more thinking their killer is caught. But in my opinion the community is already too relaxed.

 

[leighmarker]

I asked this in the current missing girl's thread, what else is in common with these two cases besides Bremer County?

 

[threecrazykids]

My guess is that he wasn't required to have his DNA on file prior to this incident due to the date of his last crime - but now with this incident, LE has the opportunity to get DNA samples from his body after the autopsy is performed for any possible match ups.

Before, they would have had to have reason to believe he was a POI and went through all the avenues to have him submit to a DNA test, but now, my ASSUMPTION is that they don't need to go through as much legal crud to get that sample and check for a match.

Just my guess.

 

[hollye]

I asked this in the current missing girl's thread, what else is in common with these two cases besides Bremer County?

Abduction of 2 girls (1 older, 1 a bit younger)

 

[threecrazykids]

I asked this in the current missing girl's thread, what else is in common with these two cases besides Bremer County?

He took the two three year olds he'd abducted 50 miles away to a park dumpster and left them there - Lizzy and Lyric were also taken from (and their bodies also found) at a park several miles away from where they were taken.

 

[leighmarker]

My guess is that he wasn't required to have his DNA on file prior to this incident due to the date of his last crime - but now with this incident, LE has the opportunity to get DNA samples from his body after the autopsy is performed for any possible match ups.

Before, they would have had to have reason to believe he was a POI and went through all the avenues to have him submit to a DNA test, but now, my ASSUMPTION is that they don't need to go through as much legal crud to get that sample and check for a match.

Just my guess.

I thought the article stated any Felon or Sex Offender in Iowa had DNA samples taken?

 

[Copper]

This has been batted around before: calculating? mastermind? or just
lucky? Luck is partly defined by ample time to vanish before any real heat
comes down ... Klunder definitely would have had the physical skills in raw
brute force.

But I agree, right now this is all speculation. Hard facts have to come into
play and sooner or later they will -

I think there would have had to have been some premeditation in the kidnapping of L and E. Even if they weren't specifically targeted in advance, they were ambushed in a relatively secluded place where the predator could lie in wait and bide his time. From what we've learned about Klunder, he doesn't seem to be so calculating.

 

[Angleena]

It is a requirement by Iowa Law that all sex offenders listed on the registry submit a dna sample. However, those that were convicted prior to this law don't all have a dna sample on file. From what I have heard, the state is behind in collecting those samples. Sometimes it goes undetected because of the confusion that dna should have been taken at the time of conviction but wouldn't have been prior to the law going into effect. Not all parole officers are assuring that the dna sample is on file. I am trying to find what year that law went in to effect.

moo