IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #32

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  • #581
I hope this works. I stopped by Angels Park today and took a panoramic picture with my fancy schmancy camera.

Also as I drove through Evansdale, I saw not a single ribbon. I realize that they were collected to shred and use for nesting material, but I really didn't expect to see NO ribbons. Made me sad.

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Wierd. It's been less than a year...

The town's reaction in general has been strange all the way along. :moo:

Eight people showing up to the first LE public meeting for example - an unusually poor showing of community concern.

Makes me wonder what exactly the dynamics are in this small town.

We have already seen a marked lack of communication between different LE departments. This is inexcusable as it smacks of politics and ego, not of finding the killer of two little girls. :banghead:

Is Evansdale a hive of police incompetance and/or corruption?

Or am I seeing shapes that aren't there....:dunno:
 
  • #582
O/T: The Cedar Falls Record preserved a history of what life was like in Cedar Falls 50 years ago. Here's what was happening this week in 1963.

Driver licenses would state a driver's height, weight and eye color but no longer give person's hair color. The reason for the change was that "females often change their hair color and males will not have the embarrassment of being labeled bald."

http://wcfcourier.com/lifestyles/in...cle_2fddabd0-82e0-5337-ad47-c90d04e1869d.html
 
  • #583
Wierd. It's been less than a year...

The town's reaction in general has been strange all the way along. :moo:

Eight people showing up to the first LE public meeting for example - an unusually poor showing of community concern.

Makes me wonder what exactly the dynamics are in this small town.

We have already seen a marked lack of communication between different LE departments. This is inexcusable as it smacks of politics and ego, not of finding the killer of two little girls. :banghead:

Is Evansdale a hive of police incompetance and/or corruption?

Or am I seeing shapes that aren't there....:dunno:

You definitely aren't alone - things have never seemed quite "right" to me, either.
 
  • #584
Yes, times, they are a changin... Due to their busy schedules and 'that doesn't affect me mentality'. Many folks do not watch ms media/news or keep up with current events unless it pops up on facebook or other social sites,etc.
Ironically, I was just reading an interesting article that mirrored your comment;

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/us/new-hampshire-bodies-mystery/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 via FIND MICKEY SHUNICK NOW! SEARCH RESOURCES FB Page;

Cold-case murders of 4 females brought back to life by new images, DNA tests
By Phil Gast, CNN
updated 3:04 PM EDT, Sat June 15, 2013
(snipped & BBM

Social media might have made a difference

The woman and the girls were killed before there was text messaging, Facebook and other forms of social media -- a fact not lost on investigators.
And, back in 1985, police did not have a clearinghouse for missing people. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children had been in existence for only one year.
Social media is a valuable tool for investigators, says the center's Williamson, who leads a five-member team.
"From the missing side it has helped in a lot of cases," she says. "You can see who perhaps who they were talking to. With teenagers, their friends know more than their families know."
Unlike in 1978 or 1985, people nowadays are extremely connected, be it through cell phones, e-mail or social media.
"If you don't get a text within two hours you might wonder what is going on," says Williamson.
Still, she cautions, there are still cases today when people "are not reported missing for various reasons."
Ebert says someone critical to identifying the four victims may not have come forward because of a sense of criminal liability or guilt for not having provided clues sooner. The victims, he says, may have been part of a disjointed family.
He hopes the DNA testing may clearly show the relationships among the four victims, providing police and the public more opportunities to identify them. "It's an awful tragedy to lose a person to a homicide. It is terrible miscarriage of justice not to know who carried out the crime against your loved one."
Williamson and her team are working on 650 cases involving unidentified children. The oldest case is from Arizona, in 1933.
Since November 2011, the team has helped identify seven children, one of whom was a victim of Gary Ridgway, the so-called Green River Killer, she says.
DNA helped solve the cases. Now Williamson hopes to give a family a sense of closure.
"A good day is giving a child their name back," she says. "And we get very excited."

Here is the WS thread for this:

NH NH - Allenstown - Adult Female and 3 Children, found Nov'85 & May'00 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
 
  • #585
You definitely aren't alone - things have never seemed quite "right" to me, either.

I have always felt uncomfortable about the plea bargaining going on.

Convicted, repeat felons are able to wander the streets and call the shots with the law. :waitasec:

Parole breaches galore, all seemingly unpunished.

No shortage of criminals in and around Evansdale and Waterloo who apparently are free to roam unfettered by any sort of supervision or consequences.

It seems almost surreal that LE still have no acknowledged POI's. Surely there's half a town full.

:stormingmad:
 
  • #586
Wierd. It's been less than a year...

The town's reaction in general has been strange all the way along. :moo:

Eight people showing up to the first LE public meeting for example - an unusually poor showing of community concern.

Makes me wonder what exactly the dynamics are in this small town.

We have already seen a marked lack of communication between different LE departments. This is inexcusable as it smacks of politics and ego, not of finding the killer of two little girls. :banghead:

Is Evansdale a hive of police incompetance and/or corruption?

Or am I seeing shapes that aren't there....:dunno:

SS (your statement) "it smacks of politics and ego".

I think you are right on the money with this statement.

IMO and just speculating -- Another word that comes to mind is jealousy among the powers that be. Now how this all fits in with the murder of two little girls is the big question.

I have asked this question before, but will ask again, why has the retired fire chief been reinstated as the fire chief, but is also the police chief.

Is Evansdale really that small?
 
  • #587
SS (your statement) "it smacks of politics and ego".

I think you are right on the money with this statement.

IMO and just speculating -- Another word that comes to mind is jealousy among the powers that be. Now how this all fits in with the murder of two little girls is the big question.

I have asked this question before, but will ask again, why has the retired fire chief been reinstated as the fire chief, but is also the police chief.

Is Evansdale really that small?

Maybe it's just full of tweakers who don't bother to vote?

Maybe the town's broke and can't actually afford anyone else?

:dunno:
 
  • #588
FYI, I have heard from our fellow poster, Grainne Dhu. She is recovering from health problems and is getting stronger.

I certainly miss her input!
 
  • #589
:getwell: Grainne Dhu, very sorry to hear you have been under the weather, but so glad you have returned!!!
 
  • #590
Thank you so much for letting us know that! Her input is sorely missed by me. I will keep her in my thoughts as she recovers.
 
  • #591
Maybe it's just full of tweakers who don't bother to vote?

Maybe the town's broke and can't actually afford anyone else?

:dunno:

Last year, I lived in a city of about 36,000. A few years ago, a CEO with a six-digit salary retired and then on the heels of his retirement, got rehired as an acting CEO.

This caused a firestorm and today, the residents of this city are still :stormingmad:over it!!!
 
  • #592
FYI, I have heard from our fellow poster, Grainne Dhu. She is recovering from health problems and is getting stronger.

I certainly miss her input!

Oh thank you for letting us know and the update! I had been worried since we hadn't heard from her in a long time.

Grainne Dhu if you're reading this I hope you're continuing to feel healthier and get stronger each day.
 
  • #593
Last year, I lived in a city of about 36,000. A few years ago, a CEO with a six-digit salary retired and then on the heels of his retirement, got rehired as an acting CEO.

This caused a firestorm and today, the residents of this city are still :stormingmad:over it!!!

Half of my career was spent in State, Federal and Local Government.

The stories I could tell...

Corruption thrives when there's no accountability.
 
  • #594
Oh thank you for letting us know and the update! I had been worried since we hadn't heard from her in a long time.

Grainne Dhu if you're reading this I hope you're continuing to feel healthier and get stronger each day.

Must've been really, really sick to stay away from L&L's case.

Get well soon GD. :rose:
 
  • #595
You definitely aren't alone - things have never seemed quite "right" to me, either.

Still no word about a possible Klunder connection.
 
  • #596
Still no word about a possible Klunder connection.

I suppose that means no usable DNA was found on Lizzie and/or Lyric. LE has Klunder's DNA and it seems it could rather easily be compared to any DNA collected in our girls' case. JMO.

I still don't think Klunder is our guy, but I sure would like to know for sure.
 
  • #597
If Klunder is the perp, then I'm thinking the bikes were dumped and staged to buy himself sometime.

Still not feeling it was Klunder but trying to think of how it went down if it was him. I'm thinking about how he went out of his way to dump evidence before he committed suicide.
 
  • #598
If Klunder is the perp, then I'm thinking the bikes were dumped and staged to buy himself sometime.

Still not feeling it was Klunder but trying to think of how it went down if it was him. I'm thinking about how he went out of his way to dump evidence before he committed suicide.

I keep trying to figure out how it might have gone down, too, if Klunder is the perp. I agree that he probably would have staged the bikes to buy time.

If he wasn't familiar with Meyers Lake and didn't know about the leeches, he may have thought people swam in the lake. So he may have hoped LE would primarily focus on the lake and a drowning scenario.

I still feel like the person(s) who took our girls was more organized, from start to finish, than Klunder was in any of his known crimes.
 
  • #599
I suppose that means no usable DNA was found on Lizzie and/or Lyric. LE has Klunder's DNA and it seems it could rather easily be compared to any DNA collected in our girls' case. JMO.

I still don't think Klunder is our guy, but I sure would like to know for sure.

It does seem remote possibility pending some shocking disclosure ... which
I now do not trust LE to make any time soon, if ever?.

Something has stalled the Collins-Cook case and it may be they have
absolutely nothing but remains which didn't reveal anything but who
they were.

However, at this point I would not be surprised if there are some in LE
involved in this case, who are as frustrated as we are -

:twocents:
 
  • #600
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The type of soil can affect the decomp process, clay takes longer than sandy or silty soil.
 
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