IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #4

[GrainneDhu]

Still ,going on the same theory here . Misty saying she knows the girls are not at the lake.

Even if the bikes were dropped their by an abductor ,how would Misty still be so sure the Abductor didnt drop the girls off at or in the lake? The girls would have had to been with the Abductor and the bikes to so wouldnt you want to search the lake because of the bikes and the purse? How does Misty presume to know the girls are not there and know they are not at the lake.

My kids have been looked for in my house places I know within reason he could not be, yet I check them anyway to be sure.

I think that Misty is going on the facts that the lake has already been searched via one type of sonar, divers, it has been dragged, no shoes were found (including flip flops that come off easily and float) and LE was saying even as they drained the lake that they were sure the girls were not in it. And nothing has come to the surface yet, even though it has been hot and the water temps are well over the point where a body would surface.

And I'm sure she's very aware of the clocking ticking on...

 

[Shelby2]

My feelings exactly. I wanted to post such, but I could not do it with the tact you did. Seems it always goes full circle but ends up back with finding fault with the parents. It bothered me so much that I set out to get the facts. I went back to threads of previously solved cases of children being abducted and then finding the perp. I could not believe the things that were said in the posts about parents, or family members only to later be proven wrong, not just wrong but painfully wrong and totally out of scope. jmo

I understand this, however that fact is that they were involved with meth and the child could have been in contact with some bad people. I do not know if that is what happened here, I do not know who Lyric may have been exposed to. It is possible she was never exposed to any of these people, just as it is possible she was.

 

[Pacipirate]

See Noreen Gosch's book, website. It will rattle your faith in humanity, tho, so be warned.


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Upon suggestion, my friend and I visited this site last night... rattled doesn't even begin to describe it! Granted, IMO she is a very ill woman (And honestly, after all she's been through, I feel terribly sorry for her) but some of the info there was chilling!

 

[Jayarre]

by rights she should be one dirty urine test away from prison, but I have first hand knowledge of an ex family member that dropped a few dirty UAs before being violated and sent back. Our facilities here are very full and my ex in law got more chances than she deserved. The are offered other options beside just being sent directly to prison too. FYI we have a brand new Women's facility (halfway house) that stand empty due to funding. *SMH* at the way things work here somethimes :/

She is federal not state.

 

[Whisperer]

Marlene Lamar didn't get much criticism at all. She and her boyfriend and Sierr'a father were looked at as other parents have been with considerable less scrutiny than what is suggested.

It is common to judge and look at the parents in these types of cases.

 

[Pensfan]

I agree that children can be damaged by a turbulent family situation.

However, not all children are and I was curious to find out if Lyric in particular was showing signs of emotional problems vs doing the kinds of things that fall into the normal range of child behaviour.

For instance, she made a threat to run away but my impression is that such threats fall into the range of normal childhood behaviour. Or in other words, normal kids also make occasional threats to run away.

Signing up for Zoosk, the romantic social network, might be a red flag for unmet emotional needs or other problems.

 

[lishac23]

I actually can comment on this. A friend of mine is one of the health aides at her elementary school. She's talked to WC MANY times over the years, as Lyric was known to come into the nurse's office quite often, complaining of headaches or feeling ill. IMO it would indicate a she wasn't necessarily handling the home situation unscathed.

Respectfully, I wouldn't put too much weight into her frequent visits to the nurse. Although it is a possibility, my daughter (6) and my neice (12 at the time) were on a first name basis with the nurse at their respective schools. Both being raised in different but stable households, but whenever they didn't want to do something in class, or just for the fun of it...would "need" to go to the nurse. Teachers are in an unfortunate position that even if they suspect the child is "faking" they have to send them anyway.

 

[Considering]

like everything else maxi dresses are back in style... we used to wear them in the 70's

I had one, too, back in the early 70's. I wore it to jr. high and carried my white purse with fringe on the bottom and a metal peace sign on the flap. Cool. :rocker:

 

[Pacipirate]

Respectfully, I wouldn't put too much weight into her frequent visits to the nurse. Although it is a possibility, my daughter (6) and my neice (12 at the time) were on a first name basis with the nurse at their respective schools. Grew up in different but stable households, but whenever they didn't want to do something in class, or just for the fun of it...would "need" to go to the nurse. Teachers are in an unfortunate position that even if they suspect the child is "faking" they have to send them anyway.

Oh I agree, it isn't a solid indicator, just a possibility. I remember certain children from school doing this... although in those cases, some of them did have less than stellar home lives.

 

[GrainneDhu]

What the heck is a maxi dress??? tia

Okay, haul me off to the old fogey's home because I not only know, I wore them in the 60s and 70s when they were popular. <LOL>

A maxi dress is a casual dress that is ankle length or very close to it. The casual is what distinguishes it from a cocktail dress or a formal dress.

 

[Pensfan]

Oh I agree, it isn't a solid indicator, just a possibility. I remember certain children from school doing this... although in those cases, some of them did have less than stellar home lives.

Symptoms of depression typically take the form of multiple somatic complaints.

 

[Shelby2]

Marlene Lamar didn't get much criticism at all. She and her boyfriend and Sierr'a father were looked at as other parents have been with considerable less scrutiny than what is suggested.

It is common to judge and look at the parents in these types of cases.

It's common, there's a reason for it, and I think it does come from both fear and from honestly trying to figure out what happened. I don't think anyone comments on the parents just to be mean spirited, though, I appreciate it must be hard on the family to read such things.

 

[Pensfan]

I had one, too, back in the early 70's. I wore it to jr. high and carried my white purse with fringe on the bottom and a metal peace sign on the flap. Cool. :rocker:

Far out! I had a brown suede purse with fringe. LOL

 

[Marilynilpa]

Okay, haul me off to the old fogey's home because I not only know, I wore them in the 60s and 70s when they were popular. <LOL>

A maxi dress is a casual dress that is ankle length or very close to it. The casual is what distinguishes it from a cocktail dress or a formal dress.

I wore them too. In fact, I wore mini, midi and maxi dresses back in the day!

Oh Lord, I feel old.

 

[mck16]

Okay, haul me off to the old fogey's home because I not only know, I wore them in the 60s and 70s when they were popular. <LOL>

A maxi dress is a casual dress that is ankle length or very close to it. The casual is what distinguishes it from a cocktail dress or a formal dress.

Would never think of you as an old fogey. I am from the same era '60's. But, I never wore anything called a maxi dress nor have I ever heard of it. Maybe because I am short, but I don't recall this particular fashion on anyone. I think it sounds great for a cruise or some such thing. I will now have to check it out. Probably won't need it much in the piney woods where I am moving. lol

 

[GrainneDhu]

As to dogs tracking scent on an abductor - I was on a case here where a father wore the shirt of his son to the scene and walked around - when my dog got the scent item from the father, a shoe, he then put his nose in the air and started tracking the scent from the shirt - it took me forever to get that father to take off his sons shirt.

SBM

In your example, the father wearing the son's shirt was right there and your dog was air scenting on him.

Has your dog ever followed such a trace scent on a four day old track?

 

[Morethenrubies]

Oh I know they have to rule the family out and that is hard with no evidence but as long as they look into all possibilities maybe they can find out what happened to these young girls.

I just dont want them to do like LE did in the Jessica Lunsford case and was so honed in on Mark's family when the real RSO was right across the street from them raping and burying Jessica alive.:banghead:

IMO

Omg- what a sick, disturbed person. She was just a baby.

 

[Ollipop]

She got out in Jan. She immediately violated her parole and it was revoked because she refused to take her drug tests and was excessively drunk. She was re-released in May. She is now under supervised released which probably means that she is one urine test away from going back to prison.

After violating her supervised release, a federal version of parole, Cook-Morrissey was sentenced to five more months in federal custody. She was released in May.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...dyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage&sf5151918=1

I can't figure out why, if she was sentenced to 4 years in 2003, that she would have been released this last January. Wouldn't that be 8-9 years? I have a source inside the courthouse, but am reluctant to ask her to dig...Iowa's criminal court proceedings are publicly available anyway.

 

[cluciano63]

OT-

Okay, I just went and bought a dress on Ebay while sitting here waiting...so thanks

 

[mck16]

OT-

Okay, I just went and bought a dress on Ebay while sitting here waiting...so thanks

Can you post a picture>thanks.