Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #28

[Mellowmelly]

She was reportedly running with phone in arm band and ear buds in. If that’s when she was taken, it’s fairly obvious. Also, I believe almost all have a phone on them somewhere, especially a 20 year old.

Sorry, I didn’t see that part reported. Yes it would be obvious if it was in an arm band. This suggests to me it was maybe someone she knew, as if not she’d be likely to try and call for help and he would have to at least take the phone off her.

 

[Kapua]

There isn't evidence. It's assumption. We don't know of any eyewitness who saw her abducted while on her run.

Can we call it assumption based on evidence?

 

[duster1979]

There isn't evidence. It's assumption. We don't know of any eyewitness who saw her abducted while on her run.

Again, the assumption is that she was taken while running. The missing phone, armband, etc. are all evidence that might lead one to that assumption.

Every criminal case has evidence that points to different scenarios. Semen on or in a murder victim's body might be considered evidence that the victim was raped before being murdered, when the case might be that the victim engaged in consensual sex in the hours prior to being murdered.

Pry marks on the door of a house where a crime took place could be considered evidence that a perp broke in to commit the crime when in fact they might have been made by the owner breaking in some time prior because he locked his keys inside.

All evidence doesn't point to the solution of a crime investigation, but if you're going to speculate about a certain scenario you need evidence to point you to that scenario.

 

[Mr. Obvious]

1) Let me try again because you’re both misunderstanding what I’m saying. For example, LE tells you that Mollie made it back to the house. You don’t know if that’s true or not because you didn’t see it, you’re just going on what LE told you. You wouldn’t be called as a witness because you didn’t see Mollie make it back to the house.

2) We all know that the phone, fitbit etc are missing from house. That’s not disputed. What I’m saying is, that fact is not evidence that she was abducted. She could have taken those items with her and run away, travelled somewhere, did any number of things for all we know, not that I’m saying she did. But we don’t know that she was abducted just because those things are missing.

We're getting nowhere with this discussion. Sorry if I can't explain it any better.

IMHO - all we really know for a fact - is that MT isn't with her family and friends - as she should be!

Everything else is speculation.

Hoping that a healthy MT is found soon and returned to her family, friends and awesome life!!!

 

[Medical_man]

Sorry, I didn’t see that part reported. Yes it would be obvious if it was in an arm band. This suggests to me it was maybe someone she knew, as if not she’d be likely to try and call for help and he would have to at least take the phone off her.

Just get her to hand you the phone. No need to take it with force.

 

[duster1979]

Sorry I genuinely didn’t mean to cause you any offence. I had heard of BBW but not Big Beautiful Man before. Sincere apologies.

I hope you're being facetious, because I was. If not, rest assured that no apology is necessary.

 

[Kapua]

Direct evidence, indirect evidence, Facts and suppositions about those facts. Witnesses and hearsay. We work back from the facts. Maybe if we term them facts.

Perfect. Then we can make assumptions based on facts.

 

[gobble]

They can dump the towers and get all of the numbers.
Police Use "Tower Dumps" To Collect Cell Phone Data Without A Warrant

Here's an article from 2014 that goes over some of the legal and technical issues with cell phone tower information in criminal cases.

What Your Cell Phone Can’t Tell the Police

 

[feralwriter]

I just wanted to take a moment out to remind everyone that you have the option to "ignore" various posters by clicking their profile. You'll see "ignore" right there. I'm up to about 100 now.

This would be an unbearable experience without that lil button.

 

[Medical_man]

I hope you're being facetious, because I was. If not, rest assured that no apology is necessary.

BBM are a kind and forgiving group.

 

[SheriBerry]

I agree with this statement. IMO, it is a stranger abduction. Here we are four weeks missing and the amount of manpower, LE & FBI, is still aggressively working this case. IMO, if LE had a local suspect and were simply just collecting evidence for prosecution, this heavy presence of LE wouldn't still be in Brooklyn. IMO LE or FBI knew early on that there was a serious event happening with Mollie. I just have to wonder what that is, I think they found something that connects this case to others.

It is easy to see some similarities to the Evansville girls case. Now, I am at a point where I would like to look at where the Evansville girls and/or Delphi girls are different. I would like to find discrepancies to disprove the connection between the girls and MT. This is just an exercise in trying to look at the case from a different angle.
Evansville girls missing July 13, 2012
Delphi girls missing Feb 13, 2017
MT missing July 18, 2018
I am not even sure where to start. I did follow along in Lizzie and Lyric's case closely but my memory isn't all that sharp!



I think these are good questions. IMO the predator did not need to have seen or known Mollie at all, perhaps he was or had been hunting for days. Lizzie and Lyric were reported missing July 13, 2012. Is July a coincidence?

Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins
Feral writer, Were you here for Lizzie and Lyrics case? You might appreciate going through some of those threads, a lot of experienced and bright minds were wracking their brains on the Evansville girls missing case. I think there are similarities, right down to a point where there was a pig farmer being looked at. I don't want to distract from Mollie or go off down a rabbit hole though!
Mollie come home!
Just morning thoughts. JMO

I think the Delphi girls and this case are so similar. Especially with the way LE is handling it. In Delphi we were also told that the public had nothing to worry about. LE also has stayed very quite in regards to the case, the public still knows very little if nothing at all. And there is the same element of going missing while outdoors, in a small community and Snapchat....

 

[cady]

There is no evidence to suggest that only ONE person is the perp. A quick abduction would be much more easily accomplished if TWO people were involved. Two local teens joyriding....one jumps out of the car and grabs the victim...and they are gone in a flash. Dispose of the victim after they have had their fun and return to their parents homes before parents are at all suspicious. Not to pick on teenagers, though, it could be a pair of older creeps, whose significant others never question them about their activities......Seems like everyone here is stuck on there being only one perp. JMO

 

[Medical_man]

I just wanted to take a moment out to remind everyone that you have the option to "ignore" various posters by clicking their profile. You'll see "ignore" right there. I'm up to about 100 now.

I didn't know this, thank you. I "just can't" sometimes with these posts

 

[Kensie]

Pass me the dunce hat. I finally digested what you kind folks were telling me about the last seen clothes on Mollie. I assumed, very wrongly, that the last seen clothes on Mollie was her jogging outfit (pink sports bra and black pants). I thought that was the last time she had been seen. Now I understand. Sometimes I am way too hard headed. Thanks for everyone's patience.
Somewhere she was last seen wearing the shorts and t shirt and her jogging clothes are missing.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Even if you take it at it's literal meaning it's still something to note that a social 20 year old girl with many friends did not have any communication with anyone after starting her jog.

I thought there was a witness who saw her using her phone while running? The front porch guy. ?

 

[Medical_man]

Perfect. Then we can make assumptions based on facts.

But when you assume......

 

[MsBetsy]

We can speculate that she was taken while running because there's evidence that she went on a run and never returned. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that.

If we're just going to regurgitate what LE says, then there's no point in speculating at all and, frankly, no reason for this site to exist.

That was my point. We can only speculate. Just not define something as evidence when it's not. The " evidence" you are referring to can point to different scenarios, that's all.

 

[Dushi]

Pass me the dunce hat. I finally digested what you kind folks were telling me about the last seen clothes on Mollie. I assumed, very wrongly, that the last seen clothes on Mollie was her jogging outfit (pink sports bra and black pants). I thought that was the last time she had been seen. Now I understand. Sometimes I am way too hard headed. Thanks for everyone's patience.
Somewhere she was last seen wearing the shorts and t shirt and her jogging clothes are missing.

No.

She was last seen in the jogging clothing

AFAIK NO witness has come forward saying they saw her in shorts and T

 

[bizzle2]

1) Let me try again because you’re both misunderstanding what I’m saying. For example, LE tells you that Mollie made it back to the house. You don’t know if that’s true or not because you didn’t see it, you’re just going on what LE told you. You wouldn’t be called as a witness because you didn’t see Mollie make it back to the house.

2) We all know that the phone, fitbit etc are missing from house. That’s not disputed. What I’m saying is, that fact is not evidence that she was abducted. She could have taken those items with her and run away, travelled somewhere, did any number of things for all we know, not that I’m saying she did. But we don’t know that she was abducted just because those things are missing.

We're getting nowhere with this discussion. Sorry if I can't explain it any better.

1. It was sarcasm. I was pointing out that the only time there was any connection between LE and her making it back to the house was in a couple secondhand accounts and other speculation. You are making my point for me on that one.

2. I meant that the only those specific things being gone was evidence that she was still jogging. I feel it is possible that she got offered a ride by someone while jogging and things went bad from there, so maybe it didn't start as an abduction but eventually became one.

 

[Dushi]

I thought there was a witness who saw her using her phone while running? The front porch guy. ?

Yes, I recall that also