Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #30

[Deleted member 718]

Does anyone know what the high school/college kids do when they hang out? This is a small town and I was just curious if during breaks do they have bonfires out at someone’s land, drink beer in fields, etc? I only ask because I’m from KS and there’s really not much to do, it’s what we always did in HS and college on breaks.

I grew up in rural KS too. The first thing I thought of when I saw the red dots on the map was "party place". Or someone's marijuana plot in the middle of a corn field. Would need to have water nearby.

 

[DocBrew]

No. If private investigators were any good they would be on the police department. They are a pain and often defraud the family that is paying them.

Psychics? Another scam. Some "psychics" are very skilled in making the public believe that they can see into the past or visualize the crime, etc.

Point 2 is valid. Point 1 is not. Many/most PIs are retired LE and/or have significant LE experience with major investigations. Like any other profession, it generally pays to do your research on the individual's qualifications and experience, as well as his or her private sector reputation and accomplishments as a PI.

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Point 2 is valid. Point 1 is not. Many/most PIs are retired LE and/or have significant LE experience with major investigations. Like any other profession, it generally pays to do your research on the individual's qualifications and experience, as well as his or her private sector reputation and accomplishments as a PI.

JMO.

Well said!

 

[TL4S]

Nice to hear from you! Hope you are well. You are right, the Wednesday night questions...as well as some of the maps...have raised lots of sub-theories that impact how we think about the case. We still are considering an acquaintance or stranger abduction, for example, but suddenly we are trying to narrow down the field. Who is going to church or school events or commuting home from work at that time on that day? How could they determine this (phone pings, GPS, cameras etc.) You never know when something useful may pop up as we discuss.

I can get on board with studying the "Why Wednesday?" idea, as in why Wednesday versus a weekend night. But IMO, other questions could help answer that. Like, it happened on a Wednesday because Wednesday was the day nobody was home with MT? Or the day the co-op camera was out? Or simply the day he had the opportunity to grab someone (or her specifically) unnoticed? No community event would, IMO, attract enough people to give a perp the clear. I think if they didn't notice him it was because there was nothing to notice about him. MOO

 

[Deleted member 718]

Does Mollie’s dad have stepsons? Since the articles say “sons” back to college? Or just more bad journalism? Or is the younger a freshman?

Wonder what they decided about Mollie’s new apt etc...

The younger brother will be a senior in high school this year. I was wondering what he used for a car.

 

[otto]

I've only had access to the internet very recently. I was one of those people who was always reading a book. Thought I never had time for the internet. Maybe that's why I never heard about the experiment, it's not something soccer mom's ever bring up, unfortunately. I'll have to research it, as it doesn't make sense based on what I know about experiments; if a cat is contained within a box it will make a tremendous effort to get out. Why would that NOT lead one to assume it is alive? I'm going to have to research this. On the internet, of course, since I have not read a book in 6 months. STILL, it has been mentioned twice at least, and I do not see any relevance to the disappearance of Mollie. We do NOT have a live subject nor a box that they are contained in to allow us to observe or make conclusions. That's why I was confused. And that is why I asked about it.

Erwin Schrodinger is a Nobel Prize-winning physicist and author who came up with the cat thought-experiment. He died in 1961. It has nothing to do with this case.

 

[DizzyB]

Ancestry, 23andMe and others say they will follow these rules when giving DNA data to businesses or police


I know we aren’t there yet in this case but if I were a detective I’d be submitting case DNA to GedMatch every time.

 

[i'm someone]

Yeah, I get it now that I have all the details! I thought at first it was a reliable experiment, based on a reasonable hypothesis, so that would explain why I have never come across it in all my research. I thought it had some relevance to the case.

Well, he was a physicist, I assume it was a well founded theory. I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure my analogy to this case is at least not completely out in left field. Starting to doubt it now. But to my mind it's relevant anyway. In trying to understand what about it is known.

 

[Rocco]

Point 2 is valid. Point 1 is not. Many/most PIs are retired LE and/or have significant LE experience with major investigations. Like any other profession, it generally pays to do your research on the individual's qualifications and experience, as well as his or her private sector reputation and accomplishments as a PI.

JMO.

Yes, and also there are cases that don't have the attention that this case does nor the manpower. Hiring a PI means you know someone is focusing all their attention on getting to the bottom of the case.

 

[Alethea]

Point 2 is valid. Point 1 is not. Many/most PIs are retired LE and/or have significant LE experience with major investigations. Like any other profession, it generally pays to do your research on the individual's qualifications and experience, as well as his or her private sector reputation and accomplishments as a PI.

JMO.

Agree completely. And many PIs work mainly on civil cases where LE will not get involved.

 

[geevee]

Google maps shows that on the northeast corner of 200th and Hwy 6 (just north of red dot 4 and Big Bear Creek) is a T.I.P. substation (is that what it's called?). This could be a factor in the theory I posted this morning that an electric worker was in that area prior to MT's disappearance and that dot 4 could actually be the starting point on the map instead of the truck stop (back on page 3).

Again, maybe not the most plausible theory in my opinion, but still taking a look. Trying to keep an open mind.

MOO

Open minds are healthy minds. I tend to theorize that since there are no cell towers in the vicinity of that substation (according to the overlay map Otto posted), that Dot 4 may represent where they found something of Mollie's (phone or FitBit).

 

[Jaclin]

I see the trolls(I think of them as Satan's little minions) are still there. I would love to be a fly on the wall when LE comes to the door to check them out. Won't be so wisecracking then.

I think you'd be surprised. Some people completely lack empathy and respect.

 

[KLM6]

Yes, all this conflicting timeline and information is a way to keep the cards held close to LE's chest and to not let the perp. know where they are going with the investigation. They could know who it is yet not have enough to search him. That's what is so odd with WC that they went crazy searching there and he let them. If the perp. does not voluntarily offer all information or let them look around, then other tactics will be used. I just hope they have someone on their radar like that.

Hey all, new poster here, and since Ive been reading all the threads for awhile I fully expect to get my head bit off, but here goes... I completely agree with this. I believe LE has someone in mind, but have insufficient evidence to do anything. Without Mollie thats holding this case up. I believe while they havent seemingly provided much publicly, they provided enough to attract potential witnesses to tighten their case on their suspect. The statement I cant get past is from MTs dad, "....probably someone who cares about her. But that relationship was misguided, misinterpreted and went wrong...." Its almost as if he also has an idea of who may have taken her. As if maybe she had trouble with a person in the past? I strongly believe it was someone she knew, and who knew her. Not a random stranger. Along these lines, I also mostly believe MT was the suspects target, due to LE not putting the small town on alert.

 

[TL4S]

Open minds are healthy minds. I tend to theorize that since there are no cell towers in the vicinity of that substation (according to the overlay map Otto posted), that Dot 4 may represent where they found something of Mollie's (phone or FitBit).

That's a frightening thought with Big Bear Creek so close by.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Graphic alert. The following speculation is unpleasant, and will invoke a disturbing scenario. Please roll and scroll if you are an abuse survivor, or sensitive.
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The following is all amateur speculation and opinion. Emphasis on amateur.

The Perp most likely raped Mollie, but this isn’t about sex, it’s about control, inflicting pain and enjoying observing the terror and suffering. A sadist.

It would be interesting for LE to review records of any prostitutes in the surrounding area who had the guts to report an attack that fit the above profile. Or hospital reports suspecting this type of an attack on a suspected prostitute. A John who is particularly sadistic and enjoys the display of terror in his paid partners.

I would explore this avenue.

 

[Al Hoffman]

You can’t do that. The reward fund was set up in order to generate information from a tipster, that brings Mollie back safely. The terms are the terms

A separate fund could be set up for that purpose, but it’s way too early to have a private investigator coming in, stepping on the toes of local, state, and federal authorities. There are a tremendous amount of avenues that still need to be explored, especially on the electronic data end, and that I would argue, gives law enforcement it’s best shot of solving this.

At some point, if this case goes cold, and a significant amount of time has passed, a private investigator may be a good option. Hopefully we don’t get to that point.

If possible, the terms of the reward will eventually need to be changed to 'return of MT (dead or alive) and/or info leading to arrest and conviction of parties involved'; this alone could generate freelance PI interest, and considerably up the ante for those who might be paid to look. Those who have donated, and will in the future, could be asked if they concent to to the change. I'm curious as to what are the terms for the first $2,000 posted. If there is currently a two-tier reward for MT's return, then increasing that lower tier for other than MT's safe return should be doable, with donor approval. I do not think that MT's father is out of the fight yet. He is just going back home to regroup. As his denial changes to anger, I am curious to see what resources he brings to the hunt for MT. He comes from a community with incredibly deep pockets, and with the interest in this case, with that kind of money anything is possible!

I think that LE was deliberately vague about the terms of the reward at the last PC, to increase the response. At this point, I do not like the terms of the current reward, as it may appear like too much of a bait and switch to those who actually know what happened to MT!

The most radical thing that I would do, would be to allow the award to be paid to the perpetrator's next of kin, if he turns himself in along with MT (in whatever condition - if that is possible). I know that US law enforcement would not allow this, if they have a say so in the matter, and for good reason. However, with enough money, almost anything is possible, even if it has to be done on the international level.

 

[MsBetsy]

Mollie's case is rare in many ways. I wouldn't discourage anyone from hoping that she's one of the lucky ones to come back alive.

I wouldn't either and I firmly believe this is what is holding the family together. Hope that she is still alive and will return safely. I believe it was DJ who said, when asked in an interview if he really thought she was alive, "of course, I wouldn't be here if I didn't think it was true." He has to think she is alive.

 

[i'm someone]

Thats ok, I remember reading it. I understand your point. I just was responding to a specific statement you made in assuming Mollies character. Not about the point that it is better to be alive than dead. That point I can certainly agree with, but that was not what I was addressing . I don't know how else to explain it! My point was that we shouldn't make assumptions about her character or what she may have or may have NOT been capable of. That's all. I was not addressing the later posts about the particular point you made in those posts. I'm sorry, I don't know how to differentiate the two anymore than I already have.

I never assumed her character. I am still just going by what we have definitely been told. And I have not seen one single interview where her strength of mind, character and intelligence was not mentioned. My point was people with lesser resources than that have made it through horrible things and rebounded from them, and she is in a good position to do so if she is alive. No matter what the circumstances. I am not sure why everyone is misinterpreting my meaning. I am just speculating like everyone else here.

 

[ACG2x]

No. If private investigators were any good they would be on the police department. They are a pain and often defraud the family that is paying them.

Psychics? Another scam. Some "psychics" are very skilled in making the public believe that they can see into the past or visualize the crime, etc.

There is a lot of truth in this post - especially the second paragraph. Check out Sylvia Browne’s “visions” of Amanda Berry and Shawn Hornbeck.

Some PI’s are attention/money seekers but there are some good ones.

 

[i'm someone]

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I think you'd be surprised. Some people completely lack empathy and respect.

Being the Pollyanna that I am probably so. Still would like to see them taken down a peg.