Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #30

[distracted]

If indeed RT and family have 'returned to living their lives' because LE coaxed them to doing so, makes me wonder for how long LE has concluded MT is not coming home/alive, what is the definitive information.

There could be other reasons why LE wants the family away from the heart of the investigation but it seems odd. LE in McCleary WA never told Lindsey's mother to 'go live your life'. Lindsey's mother would have pitched a tent in the sheriff's office if that occurred.

Maybe LE is aware the weight of the investigation is severely affecting the general health of the family and it is in their best interest that LE coaxed them to removed themselves from the immediacy of the situation... this is the only explanation that makes full sense to me (moo).

Perhaps it is simply in their best interest but I believe LE wants to remove the investigation from the national spotlight - the result of which may be very telling.

 

[MsBetsy]

Point 5 and the "ping" 10 miles SE of Brooklyn have nothing to do with a neighbor.

Oh sorry, I was responding to someone who had asked why investigators became tightlipped after initially telling Mollies mom and the neighbor that she was home later. I was thinking maybe it was a local police officer who knows everybody, hence discussing those things. I'm not sure what the pings have to do with that because I'm not sure what post I answered if not that one!! I'll have to look back and see what I did. You got me. No idea what it has to do with point 5 either!!

 

[otto]

How do we know that it was a ping 10 miles SE of Brooklyn (I thought in earlier threads there was alot of debate about why LE spent so much time at the pig farm area and there was alot of debate as to whether it was it because of tipline or because of digital footprint?). I don't think LE ever explained the how or why of the pig farm or Guersey searches AFAIK. The point 5 location is easy to research in terms of property ownership etc. but I don't think any of this info can be posted on here due to TOS issues? Right? In looking at this map when it was originally posted it seemed that LE specifically said it wanted to speak to people in the area of any of the red dots. What do we know about the area around point 5 that can be discussed with violating TOS? I also wonder if point 5 was included by LE as a specific message to the perp and that only the perp understands what happened in the region of point 5. Speculation on my part.

Please read the bold part. This answers your question. Please think about this, and then look at the police map. If the below mentioned "ping" is 10 miles SE and does not correspond with Point 5, then where is the ping and what is the reason for the bottom right red dot?

"When her Fitbit pinged at a hog farm about 10 miles southeast of the house in Brooklyn, IA, where she was last seen, police searched the area but found nothing, Mortvedt said."​

Everything We Know About The Disappearance Of Iowa College Student Mollie Tibbetts

 

[DocBrew]

Perhaps not, but at this time police are particularly interested in those 5 spots between 5 and 10PM only on July 18. In their request for information about people changing behavior, they are interested in anyone who was MIA up until the early morning of July 19.

The carwash may have happened after Mollie's disappearance, but it is also a point of interest on July 18.

Indeed, so I am fairly confident that this solidifies the sequencing aspect of our theory at a minimum.

JMO.

 

[kkdj]

I think the youngest son is a HS Senior.

I think you're right. Iirc he is 17.

 

[MassGuy]

I had to skip ahead from the last thread where TIP Electric Coop was discussed as I feel like I can never get caught up with the speed of this thread at times. I think it was kkjd that mentioned the amount of work in IA or something to that effect. Sorry if I don’t have the correct person or if this has already been mentioned. I’ve been quiet in most pages ever since I was involved with Lucas Hernandez as it was local to me and pulled on every last one of my heart strings. However, this was mentioned and something that I actually have knowledge in. Is there a Verified Construction Insider? Only kidding. Lol.

To answer the question if there is lots of construction work in IA - there’s more than you can imagine. I am a Recruiter for a construction staffing company over the Midwest Area and I can’t hire employees fast enough. Just on Friday I hired and have 22 new guys that are all headed either to IA or SD for work starting Monday. Electricians and Millwrights mainly at the moment. Which made me start thinking a couple of different things. T.I.P Electric Coop is connected to other towns within what I could find on the website as District 2. Off the top of my head I can’t remember all of the locations that are covered in District 2 outside of Brooklyn and Grundy but have listed the other locations that are part of District 2. Bare with me. I promise that I am getting to my point...

DISTRICTS & BOARD | Iowa Association of Electric Cooperatives

Central Iowa Power Cooperative
Consumers Energy
East-Central Iowa Rural Electric Cooperative
Grundy County Rural Electric Cooperative
Linn County Rural Electric Cooperative
T.I.P. Rural Electric Cooperative

A couple of the main things that made me start thinking are as follows:

1. It would not be odd to have employees go from site to site and kind of float around depending on the needs/amount of work in different locations. It could be that T.I.P Rural Electric in Brooklyn is “home base”. If that’s the case then an employee could have to go back, drop off the work van, time cards, clock out, etc. Electricians if working direct for a company have pretty set schedules. So say that normal end time for the day is 6-6:30 but working 45 min or so outside of Brooklyn that puts them back in town around 7:15ish. They would need to possibly have the van/truck checked for supplies, restock for the next day, turn in time, etc. Probably would be done at 7:30-7:45 or so daily. If that was the “normal” time that Mollie went for her run being right next to DJ’s house it would be easy to know her routine. They wouldn’t need access to the exterior cameras. After a pretty short time they would know that is when she typically runs. They could even get to know a person or at least make them seem familiar enough to say hi, maybe throw up a familiar wave, get to know someone by first name. They also would be able to tell when the others who live in the house are traveling. Once establishing the ability to make small talk perhaps. “Hey Mollie. How’s your summer? Any vacations coming up? Oh, everyone is gone getting some work done before the big trip to the Dominican? Stuck with the dogs again? When are they all coming back?” This person could have become obsessed with her during this period of time. When being kind and saying hi or throwing up a quick wave as she jogs off he could have thought she was into him. Created a fantasy of them running away and being together. These guys work a lot. Trust me. Some days I feel like Dr Phil when they call to chat.

2. Not all construction laborers have past criminal history but over the last year being in my position I have found that a lot do. A lot. Sometimes after being in prison going into a specialty trade is their only option if they can’t find work. Please understand that I am not saying ALL by any means. I have some with and some without prior criminal history. We don’t run full background checks at the time of employment. It usually comes up when you are working with bigger clients and they require it on their end. Some check only 5 years prior and some are 7 or 10. Just depends. Stuff still gets missed though and honestly maybe he never has gotten caught and doesn’t have a record. We don’t know.

My point is someone working at the Coop could easily establish a routine with Mollie. Depending on how long he has been there, if he is even local - could be a traveler and not originally from Brooklyn but working a longer duration getting per diem. In a town like Brooklyn I’d think that you’d know plenty of people and the ins and outs of the town. Most of my guys right now are road warriors. I have 125+ currently working and 90% are on the road. It’s where they make money.

Not gonna lie - I have had employees get weird on me before and not in the same state claiming they were going to come to KS to take me to dinner or wanting me to send a pic of myself so they could put a name to a face or looking me up on SM to the point that I was looking over my shoulder after comments were made and kind of freaked me out. Some I have terminated because they became obsessed and wouldn’t leave me alone. They’re lonely.

Sorry this is so long. IMO there is a ton of work going on in IA and surrounding states that it should be looked at. Des Moines isn’t far from Brooklyn and it is one of our busiest offices out of 180+ over the US. They are so busy with work, hard to get all of it filled. End of rant. Construction just happens to be an area that I actually know. Haha. And now thanks to cases like this it makes me wonder about all of my employees...

Thanks. That’s really helpful in understanding how the Coop could be significant here. Great context.

 

[distracted]

I think you're right. Iirc he is 17.

That's what I thought, too. The writer may have drawn the wrong conclusion, as the youngest may have just gone along for the drive if he went at all.

 

[human]

I had to skip ahead from the last thread where TIP Electric Coop was discussed as I feel like I can never get caught up with the speed of this thread at times. I think it was kkjd that mentioned the amount of work in IA or something to that effect. Sorry if I don’t have the correct person or if this has already been mentioned. I’ve been quiet in most pages ever since I was involved with Lucas Hernandez as it was local to me and pulled on every last one of my heart strings. However, this was mentioned and something that I actually have knowledge in. Is there a Verified Construction Insider? Only kidding. Lol.

To answer the question if there is lots of construction work in IA - there’s more than you can imagine. I am a Recruiter for a construction staffing company over the Midwest Area and I can’t hire employees fast enough. Just on Friday I hired and have 22 new guys that are all headed either to IA or SD for work starting Monday. Electricians and Millwrights mainly at the moment. Which made me start thinking a couple of different things. T.I.P Electric Coop is connected to other towns within what I could find on the website as District 2. Off the top of my head I can’t remember all of the locations that are covered in District 2 outside of Brooklyn and Grundy but have listed the other locations that are part of District 2. Bare with me. I promise that I am getting to my point...

DISTRICTS & BOARD | Iowa Association of Electric Cooperatives

Central Iowa Power Cooperative
Consumers Energy
East-Central Iowa Rural Electric Cooperative
Grundy County Rural Electric Cooperative
Linn County Rural Electric Cooperative
T.I.P. Rural Electric Cooperative

A couple of the main things that made me start thinking are as follows:

1. It would not be odd to have employees go from site to site and kind of float around depending on the needs/amount of work in different locations. It could be that T.I.P Rural Electric in Brooklyn is “home base”. If that’s the case then an employee could have to go back, drop off the work van, time cards, clock out, etc. Electricians if working direct for a company have pretty set schedules. So say that normal end time for the day is 6-6:30 but working 45 min or so outside of Brooklyn that puts them back in town around 7:15ish. They would need to possibly have the van/truck checked for supplies, restock for the next day, turn in time, etc. Probably would be done at 7:30-7:45 or so daily. If that was the “normal” time that Mollie went for her run being right next to DJ’s house it would be easy to know her routine. They wouldn’t need access to the exterior cameras. After a pretty short time they would know that is when she typically runs. They could even get to know a person or at least make them seem familiar enough to say hi, maybe throw up a familiar wave, get to know someone by first name. They also would be able to tell when the others who live in the house are traveling. Once establishing the ability to make small talk perhaps. “Hey Mollie. How’s your summer? Any vacations coming up? Oh, everyone is gone getting some work done before the big trip to the Dominican? Stuck with the dogs again? When are they all coming back?” This person could have become obsessed with her during this period of time. When being kind and saying hi or throwing up a quick wave as she jogs off he could have thought she was into him. Created a fantasy of them running away and being together. These guys work a lot. Trust me. Some days I feel like Dr Phil when they call to chat.

2. Not all construction laborers have past criminal history but over the last year being in my position I have found that a lot do. A lot. Sometimes after being in prison going into a specialty trade is their only option if they can’t find work. Please understand that I am not saying ALL by any means. I have some with and some without prior criminal history. We don’t run full background checks at the time of employment. It usually comes up when you are working with bigger clients and they require it on their end. Some check only 5 years prior and some are 7 or 10. Just depends. Stuff still gets missed though and honestly maybe he never has gotten caught and doesn’t have a record. We don’t know.

My point is someone working at the Coop could easily establish a routine with Mollie. Depending on how long he has been there, if he is even local - could be a traveler and not originally from Brooklyn but working a longer duration getting per diem. In a town like Brooklyn I’d think that you’d know plenty of people and the ins and outs of the town. Most of my guys right now are road warriors. I have 125+ currently working and 90% are on the road. It’s where they make money.

Not gonna lie - I have had employees get weird on me before and not in the same state claiming they were going to come to KS to take me to dinner or wanting me to send a pic of myself so they could put a name to a face or looking me up on SM to the point that I was looking over my shoulder after comments were made and kind of freaked me out. Some I have terminated because they became obsessed and wouldn’t leave me alone. They’re lonely.

Sorry this is so long. IMO there is a ton of work going on in IA and surrounding states that it should be looked at. Des Moines isn’t far from Brooklyn and it is one of our busiest offices out of 180+ over the US. They are so busy with work, hard to get all of it filled. End of rant. Construction just happens to be an area that I actually know. Haha. And now thanks to cases like this it makes me wonder about all of my employees...

I think the elctricians at the coop work for the coop. I think the electricians you hire maybe union electricians that work construction jobs. They go from job to job. That is different than the coop

 

[Kapua]

... and still, all those cameras do not seem to be enough to identify a suspect one month in. It's quite likely that Mollie is not on any of the car wash CCTV.

Looking at the map, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Mollie jogged past the carwash, then looped back to go to DJ's or her mom's. She may be on the video, but not with the perp. The truck stop, OTOH, is quite a distance south and nowhere near DJ's or her mom's.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

That's an interesting question, the answer to which LE doesn't know and/or are holding close to the vest.

Could be MT was never there but then again, given that LE questioned homeowners behind and up from the D&M Car Wash might indicate they also are interested in the north/south County Highway 18 that intersects E. 2nd St (corner of the car wash)... a possible route taken after abduction occurred farther north.

The next question that comes to mind: has LE identified any/all vehicles that used the car wash the evening of July 18, July 19 and July 20?

Video recordings and pay transaction records would be the rule of the day and yet, no BOLO or hints of LE pursuing owners for questioning.

It wouldn't make sense that a perp would use the car wash immediately after abducting MT since it seems his first action would be to hightail it outta' town and not linger with potentially suspicious activity.

LE was maybe just being complete, routine, as it were, but I believe it's more than that. I believe MT's phone location data placed her passing through that intersection while in the perp's vehicle. We my safely assume MT's Fitbit and phone were still active at that point since the phone location data placed them farther south... we could assume the phone was not powered off/destroyed until after travelling out of Brooklyn, but then again, maybe the perp managed to get MT to turn off the devices but she managed to sneak them on again after leaving Brooklyn.

That scenario might make sense, since LE intensely focused on the farm areas southwest of Brooklyn. MT fought back?

 

[Deleted member 227095]

Please read the bold part. This answers your question. Please think about this, and then look at the police map. If the below mentioned "ping" is 10 miles SE and does not correspond with Point 5, then where is the ping and what is the reason for the bottom right red dot?

"When her Fitbit pinged at a hog farm about 10 miles southeast of the house in Brooklyn, IA, where she was last seen, police searched the area but found nothing, Mortvedt said."​

Everything We Know About The Disappearance Of Iowa College Student Mollie Tibbetts

Ok. Thanks for this link to LE quote. This was the first I'd heard of regarding them talking about Fitbit data. I am stuggling along on your Point 5. It just seems purely speculative at this point to say what it represents. Perhaps LE found physical evidence of some sort in this area and wanted the perp to realize something had been found. Is there anything about the properties in your Point 5 area that can be discussed on here and not violate TOS?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

Perhaps it is simply in their best interest but I believe LE wants to remove the investigation from the national spotlight - the result of which may be very telling.

Please clarify.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

I think the elctricians at the coop work for the coop. I think the electricians you hire maybe union electricians that work construction jobs. They go from job to job. That is different than the coop

T.I.P. Rural Electric s top priority is to provide reliable electricity and service to its member-owners. The company began in 1938, when Phelan Construction Company was hired to build its first line that totaled 132 miles. It took until April 27, 1939, for that line to become energized and the first T.I.P. substation, just south of Belle Plaine, provided the electricity for that line. By 1947, with the help of cooperatives like T.I.P., 79 percent of Iowa farms had electricity. Private power companies had not extended service to rural areas because they decided it could not be profitable. Located in Brooklyn, Iowa, T.I.P. has 21 substations serving 1,767 miles of line with 6,008 accounts receiving electrical service.

Tip Rural Electric Co-Op in Brooklyn , IA

 

[Deleted member 227095]

Thank you for this post! Your post adds alot to helping us understand the nature of some of the transient workers that could be in the area and because they possibly wear uniforms or drive in company trucks these workers are largely ignored by most folks or deemed 'safe' and non threatening. The TIP Co-op is possibly one employer for electrical line workers but I would think the wind farm that is under construction might employ them as well as well as hiring other skilled trades. In terms of other local utilities we learned there is a water company and a phone/internet company in the area as well.

Thanks. That’s really helpful in understanding how the Coop could be significant here. Great context.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

<modsnipped quoted post>

A possibility. That would imply an amateur or first-timer. I'm not entirely sure that's what we have in this case.

 

[RMT953]

I think the elctricians at the coop work for the coop. I think the electricians you hire maybe union electricians that work construction jobs. They go from job to job. That is different than the coop

We aren’t Union. I actually have very few that are part of the Union for a couple of reasons - they expect higher wages due to the Union structure of payment and adding benefits into their hourly rate and they typically bail off of my projects if the Union calls them back for work. I would say that 98% of my employees are not part of the Union. I personally have majority of guys that are on the road but I’m the exception to the rule because of my position. All of the local offices have local field employees. There’s a local client near me in Wichita that has worked for the same electrical company for 2+ years. Why they don’t just hire them on and save money is beyond me but it does happen. I’m not implicating that it is one certain person as I have no idea who the employees are. I just personally think it would be easy to know what’s happening right next door on a day to day basis. Look at BTK/Dennis Rader in Park City, KS. He flew under the radar for 30+ years fooling all of Wichita and his family being the head of his church even. Praying Mollie is found soon. Just was another thought.

 

[otto]

Looking at the map, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Mollie jogged past the carwash, then looped back to go to DJ's or her mom's. She may be on the video, but not with the perp. The truck stop, OTOH, is quite a distance south and nowhere near DJ's or her mom's.

True, except it would be looping back to either the house-sit or her mom's house. Which location, which direction, which route?

A witness claims she ran West toward Caseys food store, and the nearby carwash is a point of interest. Does that mean she is on CCTV and the carwash is a point of interest for Mollie, or that the carwash was used at 6:40 and Mollie might have been abducted at 7:45.

The Truck Stop most likely relates to the abductor as well. Police are probably interested in people who were at the truck stop especially closer to 5PM, prior to the abduction of Mollie.

 

[Harmony 2]

Heads up- The thread will be closing in 20 minutes.

 

[RMT953]

Thank you for this post! Your post adds alot to helping us understand the nature of some of the transient workers that could be in the area and because they possibly wear uniforms or drive in company trucks are largely ignored by most folks. The TIP Co-op is possibly one employer for electrical line workers but I would think the wind farm that is under construction might employ them as well as well as hiring other skilled trades. In terms of other local utilities we learned there is a water company and a phone/internet company in the area as well.

I actually have solar guys at that wind farm. Lol. Have lineman in IA but not here. They are on another site that is a bit away. I would actually say a good chunk of my guys are in IA right now. To put it in perspective the office in Des Moines probably has close to 300 employees out right now through IA, SD and many other states. They aren’t all travelers. A lot are local to the job site. Clients would prefer to not pay per diem if possible. I spend too much time on WS. Now I’m Paranoid Pete about my guys. Haha

 

[otto]

Ok. Thanks for this link to LE quote. This was the first I'd heard of regarding them talking about Fitbit data. I am stuggling along on your Point 5. It just seems purely speculative at this point to say what it represents. Perhaps LE found physical evidence of some sort in this area and wanted the perp to realize something had been found. Is there anything about the properties in your Point 5 area that can be discussed on here and not violate TOS?

I read it first here, a while ago.

It's not wild speculation. If you have an alternate suggestion, I'm happy to map it for comparison.

There is a red dot 10 miles SE of Brooklyn. A ping occurred 10 miles SE of Brooklyn.
I wonder if there is a connection.