Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #31

[InvSmith]

For me, it always comes back to what LE said about unusual activity. Someone wasn't home during the time Mollie was jogging that night. I keep thinking that in a small town, the list of people who could have done this must be small. I really love your way of approaching this by thinking who had the opportunity in the middle of the week. Is someone in denial or covering for that person? Or has a family member or friend of that person already entered the tip in Mollie's website?

This is a great point. A Wednesday may indicate,

This is my first post - amazing how much information in on here! My main questions/points after reading what I could on all these threads are the pinned tweet and the snapchat text. First of all the tweet is just too much of a crazy coincidence. Has it been verified that was a police offer asking her? If no officer confirms it, I would think it was a stalker messing with her knowing exactly what he was planning and the opportunity came when the boyfriend was gone. Sorry if this has been already answered! Second the FBI asked her mom if she was "in a home" at 945pm and the boyfriend also said the text looked like she was inside. Could that be a cry for help from where she was taken? Does Snapchat have a location tracker for pictures or texts sent? I know if I post a Facebook picture my location is posted. Also the area she ran in is more residential than I expected and it seems hard to think of being snatched in town (unless of course she knew the person - but she was on a run, why would she get in a car even with someone she knew? Bad weather? Was it raining hard during her run? Did she sprain an ankle?). I would think it more likely a random kidnapping would happen on the dirt road by the house, but I guess the fitbit showed she didn't run there?

There have been statements that she was on her computer later at night. Someone asking you if you are a missing person before you are a missing person is astronomically unheard of... The other odd point was asking if she'd gotten off the bus versus someone reported her as possibly missing. Just odd.

 

[tigertales]

UPS or other delivery drivers that do a route on a consistent basis? Out of town but very familiar with the entire area and also capable of watching people without people thinking much of it as they do paperwork, etc. while on the route.

I live in a very rural place and our ups driver comes 60 miles each way to make deliveries in town then does the rural route. He drives back home 60 miles at about 8pm every day.

Could the dots be part of that route? Could a driver have asked her to look at a package and trapped her in the truck? Finished the route. Took off.

I read about an abduction where the perp took the victim at gun point and taped her mouth and forced her into a large plastic tub with a lid and latches and went about a few routine things before bringing her to his apartment. She escaped and survived.

Just my own opinion and theory.

 

[human]

We had Schwans delivery . Do they have that?

 

[Trident]

I’m a newbie here and have only posted one other time on this case. I haven’t posted since, as I felt like some of the people who responded to my post only did so to “pounce” on how wrong they thought my theory was.
Anyway, did Mollie have any tattoos? LE in Cartersville Georgia found a dismembered female on August 15th in a landfill. The body has a general description matching Mollie, but has distinctive tattoos. Irregardless of it being Mollie or not, another family somewhere is going through a rough time. Prayers all around.

Don't take it to heart. It seems politically correctness sometimes takes a backseat to rude in the same people. Maybe the same coin, just flip sides. Ignore it, feel free to state your feelings.

 

[str8nightowl]

This is a crazy question but if this was a sexually motivated crime, where would she have been assaulted? I mean, a car would be tough and if the assailant is unknown to her, she must have screamed and put up a fight.

If picked up in a car, gratification needs to be delayed. And what do you do with Molly until there is a place where she can be assaulted?

I wonder if she was pulled into a nearby cornfield near DJ's house where she was assaulted and perhaps
killed. No car seen and no evidence left behind.

Her fit bit and phone may have been dumped at the hog farmer's place to
try to throw off authorities.

I'd check the cornfields around the house again.

Razz, I agree. First I was thinking that this would work. Then I was thinking it would not work because that would leave more evidence (the perp being in a field instead of him just grabbing MT from a vehicle), and then if this was the case the dogs would have picked up his scent when they brought them out to the cornfield. But then I thought again this COULD work. Again I am thinking the perp KNEW it was going to rain (which would wash away evidence).

What if he parked his vehicle at a location where there were other vehicles (not suspicious) or somewhere in a location where no one would see it and he hid in the cornfield. Maybe he hid and waited on MT. Then maybe he attacked her and left her there in the cornfield hidden. He could have even injected her with a syringe or something to subdue her. Then he could have went back to his vehicle and acted all normal. It is possible no one saw him if he had taken routes that were technically hidden. Then he could have come back later and got MT out of the cornfield and hid her somewhere else where no one would find her. Hence maybe he attacked and left her on WC's farm. And then got her later that night (then the rain washed away evidence-maybe he also did all this IN the rain so that more evidence would be washed away-plus in the rain not much would be heard and less people would most likely be out because of the weather-no witnesses) to get MT to take her to another location and he left her in THAT location.

Wonder if rain would wash away enough evidence so that search dogs would not pick up on it later? If that's not the case then the search dogs I would think would have picked up on his scent in the cornfields. But maybe LE did pick up his scent when the brought the search dogs in. Maybe they even found DNA. But could do NOTHING because this perp has never been caught and his DNA in not in the database that they check (or whatever it is called). If that's the case then this perp would KNOW and he would not care if much evidence was left. JMO.

 

[MesquiteO21]

Maybe Bigfoot dragged her into the corn.

(OT sorry) but i was actually just watching a video about unsolved cases this weekend and one of them was about a 16 year old girl who went off on a hike with a 40-something year old so-called Bigfoot expert. The man came back from the hike but the girl did not and he claimed Bigfoot carried her away

 

[MesquiteO21]

Occam’s razor (also known as the ‘law of parsimony’) is a problem-solving principle which serves as a useful mental model. A philosophical razor is a tool used to eliminate improbable options in a given situation, of which Occam’s is the best-known example.

Occam’s razor can be summarized as such:

Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

The Basics
In simpler language, Occam’s razor states that the simplest solution is correct. Another good explanation of Occam’s razor comes from the paranormal writer, William J. Hall: ‘Occam’s razor is summarized for our purposes in this way: Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.’

ETA this doesn't mean any particular theory is patently wrong, just that, more often than not, the simplest theory with the most evidence is USUALLY correct... Emphasis mine.

a user here - forget the name- has this in their profile so every time i see him post i think about this. so, in regards to Mollie what IS the simplest solution?

 

[duster1979]

It would fit very nicely if the guy lived in the area, dropped the trailer and just got into town. Nobody said he has to be gone for days or weeks. A short run, maybe two days, then home. Men who own their own trucks usually take very good care of them, are proud of them, keep them clean inside and out. Some also fantasize when driving over the road/any road. Have experience with this sort of thing.

Not saying this IS the answer, just a real possibility, IMO

The whole premise to this line of thinking was that some over-the-road trucker from far away saw her while passing through town and nabbed her. Total crime of opportunity. If we're going to assume it's a local why assume it's a trucker?

Sure, it could be a trucker. But it could also be a butcher, a baker, or a candlestick maker.

 

[who knew?]

I am sorry if I upset u. There is no intention on my part that they would ever be the same other than looks which I shouldn't have mentioned.

There was nothing wrong with your post; it just hit me as funny because Jodi was such a sick sexpot. Don't let my reaction make you think there was something wrong with your post. Your post was fine.

 

[Fortuna]

KCRG-TV9

Anyone else listened to this? I know that all families respond differently but the way that dad is talking about this case is SO WEIRD. I also feel like the continued use of the phrase “bring Mollie home” is strange. Is this the phrase that is always used in cases like this? It reeks of knowledge that they know where she is and what her situation is yet, for some reason, cannot get to her, which I know is not the likely scenario. The dad says “the more they learned from LE, the more encouraged they became that this will have a positive outcome.” And he says that he feels sad that she’ll be missing this semester.... not sad that they don’t know where she is or what’s happened to her or that the rest of her life is affected by this... I understand being hopeful that she’s ok and not giving up hope, but it really seems as though they are not considering at all the possibility that something bad is going on..... A lot of strange things with her disappearance but the lack of emotion and urgency after the first week is mind boggling.

 

[DizzyB]

Do you think LE mapped Mollie's previous runs based on her devices, and then are able to see if this run was one of her regular paths or if this was different? Looking for the blips on the radar... What are all of the things that made this evening different..

 

[Justintime]

I read she worked at a hospital day care. There could have been a young doctor that was interested in her.

It has to be somebody that liked her and/or she was familiar with. I still don’t like the idea of her boyfriend and her boyfriends brother just so happened to be out of town when this happened.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I’m a newbie here and have only posted one other time on this case. I haven’t posted since, as I felt like some of the people who responded to my post only did so to “pounce” on how wrong they thought my theory was.
Anyway, did Mollie have any tattoos? LE in Cartersville Georgia found a dismembered female on August 15th in a landfill. The body has a general description matching Mollie, but has distinctive tattoos. Irregardless of it being Mollie or not, another family somewhere is going through a rough time. Prayers all around.

I'm pretty sure she didn't, as that almost certainly would've been included in her missing posters/information. Just for comparison, if you look at the missing posters for Heather Elvis they included close ups of her tattoos.

 

[Karen MacLeod]

KCRG-TV9

Anyone else listened to this? I know that all families respond differently but the way that dad is talking about this case is SO WEIRD. I also feel like the continued use of the phrase “bring Mollie home” is strange. Is this the phrase that is always used in cases like this? It reeks of knowledge that they know where she is and what her situation is yet, for some reason, cannot get to her, which I know is not the likely scenario. The dad says “the more they learned from LE, the more encouraged they became that this will have a positive outcome.” And he says that he feels sad that she’ll be missing this semester.... not sad that they don’t know where she is or what’s happened to her or that the rest of her life is affected by this... I understand being hopeful that she’s ok and not giving up hope, but it really seems as though they are not considering at all the possibility that something bad is going on..... A lot of strange things with her disappearance but the lack of emotion and urgency after the first week is mind boggling.

Yup I agree on your theory for sure....that keeps going through my mind also.....that the dad knew something.....LE has told him and the family not to spill the beans in fear of messing up her release or return.

 

[With_Respect]

Still getting caught up on Thread#30, few quick thoughts:
- for me, the coincidence of MT disappearance happening while she was home alone is difficult to ignore. As such, my current preferred assumption is a known (directly/indirectly) abductor
- while I've seen speculation that an abductor may have overheard conversations regarding her boyfriend/roommates being out of town, I am inclined to wonder about social media posts? I am not on FB so I may be incorrect, but so much information can be gleamed these days from seemingly innocuous posts. This would include not just MT FB page but also DT and roommates
- I also live in a small town - albeit with a tightknit group of neighbours - and it is common for us to let our neighbours know when we will be out of town, even for just one night. We keep each other informed so that we can be on the lookout for unusual activity in our neighbours absence.
It is most logical to me that an abductor knew Mollie would be alone. I would follow this assumption to believe that Mollie disappeared from her home (ie. house-sit) rather than whilst jogging as the risk of being seen/caught would be greatly reduced by abducting from a rural home.
If we are to assume that Mollie made it home from her jog, then the fact that the dogs were found in the basement (where they are placed when unattended) and the belief that the only items missing are the same that were in use during her jog, leads me to question: did Mollie disappear immediately after arriving home from her jog? It has been suggested that she was working on homework in the late evening and I feel this would be easily corroborated by LE after reviewing her laptop. This is the most conflicting information for me, at this time... Assumed confirmation that she was working on homework into the evening makes it difficult to understand why all jogging items (clothing, fitbit, earphones, etc) is currently missing.
Also, FWIW, as a young girl staying at her boyfriends home while he is away - it is possible we cannot determine any missing MT clothing because she was wearing DJ clothing? Especially for sleeping, many girls would toss on her bf's t-shirt rather than their own, for comfort, smell, etc

 

[Hte2w8]

a user here - forget the name- has this in their profile so every time i see him post i think about this. so, in regards to Mollie what IS the simplest solution?

If you look at it mathematically, that Mollie was abducted while out on a run, between 730 and a time later that evening (not disclosed by LE) by someone not necessarily a community member, but familiar with the area, who used a vehicle to transport her someplace within easy driving distance (read a few hours).

 

[who knew?]

Yup I agree on your theory for sure....that keeps going through my mind also.....that the dad knew something.....LE has told him and the family not to spill the beans in fear of messing up her release or return.

I wonder if this is why mom has taken a back seat to dad. Maybe it is harder for her to maintain the facade if she knows what LE knows. You have to feel for the family - it must be horrible.

 

[andalso]

The possibilities here are endless...and you all have done an amazing job on touching on many of them!!

I would not doubt that one of the theories in the past 31 threads are right. Some, surely more probable then others.

I am confused that so many of us expect her body to be found somewhere and yet...no public searches are happening. That is the part that has me most baffled!

The only reason I can come up with that they would not want public searches is if they are extremely concerned that a member of the local public is the perp, and they do no want them searching. But then again, if they know that...wouldn't they also know who said person is?

I literally feel my brain hurting with this case, as I have with so many other cases here. I am trying so hard to rack my brain and have that "aha" moment, but it's not there.

WS folks are amazing and I have so much respect for everyone here!

I think we just need a couple more pieces and we could totally solve this puzzle!
Like, a corner piece of the puzzle would be nice! (looking at you FBI)!

 

[SharonNeedles]

Occam’s razor (also known as the ‘law of parsimony’) is a problem-solving principle which serves as a useful mental model. A philosophical razor is a tool used to eliminate improbable options in a given situation, of which Occam’s is the best-known example.

Occam’s razor can be summarized as such:

Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

The Basics
In simpler language, Occam’s razor states that the simplest solution is correct. Another good explanation of Occam’s razor comes from the paranormal writer, William J. Hall: ‘Occam’s razor is summarized for our purposes in this way: Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.’

ETA this doesn't mean any particular theory is patently wrong, just that, more often than not, the simplest theory with the most evidence is USUALLY correct... Emphasis mine.

A pet peeve of mine - and I’m not pointing fingers at you or anyone else in particular - is that Occam’s Razor cannot be invoked at any point that wasn’t already reached via this same principle. You can’t come up with some wild starting point then throw in Occam’s Razor to validate the next step. That happens all too often and it bugs me to no end!

 

[WideOpen]

Say he lives in Brooklyn. Nothing is that far away that you can't walk. Maybe he left his car in his driveway and walked to her house. And dragged her somewhere in the cornfields. Took her Fit bit, phone walked back home or wherever and the took his car to get rid of the Fit bit and phone and put them in an area where he knew would raise eyebrows.

IMO
I like this post because it is incredibly possible and simple, Occam's razor.
Plus, I hadn't thought of that angle/helps to encourage new ideas.
~JMO