Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #31

[Jax49]

We all hope for this, but I fear that anyone who truly believes that this will have a happy ending, is setting themselves up for tremendous disappointment. There’s always hope, but history tells us that the most likely outcome, is a horrific one.

And imho, the only thing worse than knowing your child was murdered, is NOT knowing what happened. I can't imagine how families survive for decades still not knowing.

 

[rebel123]

Night Owl- Wow. I definitely give you creative credit for your theories. (Not at all meant in a snarky way either!). You’re right- In this life, there are nothing but possibilities. I guess to clarify, it seems there are some on this thread that think the most likely scenario with evidence we have is that Mollie made it back home and did various other activities before she disappeared. To those posters that think this is the MOST likely scenario, I’m curious as to how they would explain away her missing jogging clothes and armband, in a way that would make the most sense.

Around the same time Mollie was jogging, I was playing tennis about an hour away in IC with my husband, who never usually sweats and barely moves his feet to hit the ball. That night, he sweat a lot tho barely moving, it was so humid and warm that he immediately took his saturated shirt off. And changed immediately on getting back to the house. Even if Mollie isn’t normally a huge sweater, the conditions in the area that night were such that you wouldn’t even have to be moving much to get sweaty. Running that night would have drenched a non sweater, and I just don’t see how doing much of anything in sweaty gross wet clothes and an armband would be logical.

We don't know how well stocked up the house was with regards to drink / food; maybe she returned home; as you suggest it was a 'humid' night. Maybe she decided to go get some drink / food.
To be honest I haven't identified the nearest places where drink / food can be purchased in close proximity to the house. She might even have gone to a neighbours house for drink / food. It's a very close knit community.
Just another thought; if she did go to a neighbours house; the neighbour unaware; thought she was an intruder.

 

[MassGuy]

And imho, the only thing worse than knowing your child was murdered, is NOT knowing what happened. I can't imagine how families survive for decades still not knowing.

I completely agree. There’s no such thing as closure, as no one gets over the loss of a child, especially in this way (if the worst has in fact occurred). But not knowing, means that you spend the rest of your life looking for an answer that may never come. Neither option is desirable of course, but from what you generally hear from people in these horrible situations, is that they just want to know what happened.

 

[Bringemhome]

I completely agree. There’s no such thing as closure, as no one gets over the loss of a child, especially in this way (if the worst has in fact occurred). But not knowing, means that you spend the rest of your life looking for an answer that may never come. Neither option is desirable of course, but from what you generally hear from people in these horrible situations, is that they just want to know what happened.

Needing closure must be built into our dna

 

[MsBetsy]

Don't even try to explain. It's not worth the time. Scroll and roll or you'll go nuts clearing up pop culture references.

What is a pop cultural reference? Just want to know if I have to avoid them.

 

[HelpingHeart]

If I knew that I’d be collecting $300k reward! It could be as simple as getting into somebody’s car for awhile to talk - that would make a lot of sense if it were somebody she suspected has misguided feelings towards her. Going for a drive as opposed to having his car sitting in the drive for all the neighbors to see her talking to him. Small town gossip is brutal.

Sorry, asked a silly question. Should have phrased it differently - more like the type of person she would have gotten into a car with. She doesn’t seem the type to be secretive or anything, so I feel a friend or someone would have known something and already mentioned those details.
Maybe she was doing her homework, and someone came by from her school.

 

[mtnlites]

What is a pop cultural reference? Just want to know if I have to avoid them.

A reference to something that's currently popular or trending in the news or entertainment world: a nod to Justin Beiber's meltdown, Snapchat, The Handmaid's Tale season finale, hair dye dips, pumpkin flavored lattes, America's Got Talent's judges' cuts, Nancy Grace's hysterics, Kylie Jenner's lips, Kim Kardashian's butt, or the latest trending hashtag on Twitter would all be pop culture references.

 

[Jaclin]

just a thought. maybe someone was at the carwash to get quarters for laundry. A lot of places frown on you using their quarter machines if you aren't going to spend your quarters there. I've gone to the non-attended car washes just to get quarters before. Maybe that's where he recognized her.

 

[HelpingHeart]

I have always felt she made it back home, since there were “statements” (rumors) that she was doing homework late in the evening. And that DJ opened up his snap around 10pm. That gave him his closure for the night. Most couples talk right before bed. If he hadn’t heard from her for a few hours, he would have worried. So his statement of opening at 10pm, doesn’t mean she didn’t send it still around 9:30 or so, just because he doesn’t know the time it was sent.

What time did that guy who saw her last jogging say she came by? Around 8:30? How far / long does it take to get from his house to Dalton’s? Was his house closer to DJ’s, meaning was the run almost complete?

Fitbit stays on, unless showering usually. Phones are always in people’s hands. Maybe she heard a noise and kept her phone tight, and then hid it at first - if she was taken, and didn’t leave with someone she thought she trusted.

If she planned on leaving with someone, she would have brought her wallet most likely.

 

[cody22]

A reference to something that's currently popular or trending in the news or entertainment world: a nod to Justin Beiber's meltdown, Snapchat, The Handmaid's Tale season finale, hair dye dips, pumpkin flavored lattes, America's Got Talent's judges' cuts, Nancy Grace's hysterics, Kylie Jenner's lips, Kim Kardashian's butt, or the latest trending hashtag on Twitter would all be pop culture references.

I just woke up from staying up too late reading this thread. I would prefer not to think about Kim Kardashian's butt while having my first cup of coffee....Thank you.

 

[cody22]

just a thought. maybe someone was at the carwash to get quarters for laundry. A lot of places frown on you using their quarter machines if you aren't going to spend your quarters there. I've gone to the non-attended car washes just to get quarters before. Maybe that's where he recognized her.

Did Mollie Tibbets jog past a Laundry Mat ? Do those washers and dryers still take quarters ?

 

[Deleted member 155000]

The statement that Mollie made it back home was secondhand. It came from a neighbor who says a police officer told him Mollie returned. This has never been confirmed by police that I am aware of, but could be true.

The statement that Mollie might have been doing homework online came from her family but has not been confirmed by police either to my knowledge. We aren’t sure what this is based on.

If Mollie actually posted to a forum inside an online class or submitted a paper at a specific time stamp, that would convince me. But if they just found research or class sites in her browser history that showed a later time, she may have just left the internet up on a research site or class website, and she doesn’t have a screensaver set to make her computer sleep right away when inactive.

Because all her jogging gear including armband and earbuds are missing, I believe she more than likely disappeared on a jog. I leave room for an accident or medical emergency or getting into a car with an acquaintance. As someone who grew up in a town this size and still lives in another 1, I can assure you almost everyone in town is an acquaintance.

If someone in her circles of acquaintances got her to come hang out at their house for a while, willingly, and that house was outside of the immediate town limits, it would explain everything.

No sign of struggle. Bc if there was a later struggle, it happened in a house that is far enough outside of town that it hasn’t been searched.

And although I have to acknowledge that she is more than likely dead, this acquaintance outside of town seems most consistent with her dad’s idea she may be being kept alive. Someone who grew up knowing her and has been nurturing a sense of care or fixation for her for years wouldn’t want to kill her.

 

[MAGNUM PI1]

I'm interpreting what little we do know differently. I think they have been eyeballing the Perp and are waiting on the forensics to make the move. Guess we'll see, and sure hope I'm right.

I tend to agree with you, that the perp may have been developed, earlier on.

And LE has been painstakedly, gathering additional evidence to solidify their case.
Which might explain LE's limited public disclosure. IMO, LE hasn't conveyed that their investigation is stagnant. I will be very disappointed

It is amazing how someone "normal" and integrated can be in significant error about their options in life. I was reading about the impact of power on people, how their self-perception changes. The article used Henry Kissinger as an example because he thought of himself as a sex symbol. A "normal" and integrated dad might have had a slip of judgment and then gotten in over his head, as postulated, one thought in error at a time.

I submitted this idea previously. That a perp could be associated with her place of employment. Could fit scenario of perp living outside Brooklyn, but frequenting that town. Would not look out of place; may have developed a rapport with MT.
And misinterpreted MT's kindness/interaction. Mere speculation.

Each day I come home and check things and come to this thread hoping that there is some new news or new clues. Nearly every time I read I keep coming back to this being someone she knew.

There are widely varying theories about what happened. Some involve the premise that MT knew the abductor. However, there are others that believe this was random. Such as an opportunistic SK, who happened to see her jogging, and seized the moment. Scenarios that have been presented, run the entire gamut, regarding MT'S relationship with the abductor.

 

[TasteOfRed]

First time poster...

I came to this site specifically to follow Mollie's case. I have to say I am impressed with all the thought and compassion I have seen on this (and the Watts') threads. Every time I think of something to consider, I have found it here, already being discussed.

That being said, I keep coming back to the idea of a hit and grab scenario. I can't say why that resonates so strongly with me, but it certainly does. Has that scenario been put to bed by other, more likely, scenarios? This feels stranger abduction to me, and I can't imagine any other way for a stranger to get her into a car without her causing a loud scene...

Which may not be a factor if the abduction site were isolated enough...

My head swims...I just hope for news every day. I hate the thought of this family not knowing what happened to Mollie, and it terrifies me that she may be suffering somewhere.

All JMO...

 

[cody22]

First time poster...

I came to this site specifically to follow Mollie's case. I have to say I am impressed with all the thought and compassion I have seen on this (and the Watts') threads. Every time I think of something to consider, I have found it here, already being discussed.

That being said, I keep coming back to the idea of a hit and grab scenario. I can't say why that resonates so strongly with me, but it certainly does. Has that scenario been put to bed by other, more likely, scenarios? This feels stranger abduction to me, and I can't imagine any other way for a stranger to get her into a car without her causing a loud scene...

Which may not be a factor if the abduction site were isolated enough...

My head swims...I just hope for news every day. I hate the thought of this family not knowing what happened to Mollie, and it terrifies me that she may be suffering somewhere.

All JMO...

Welcome to the forum.,,, Nice post.

 

[SharonNeedles]

We all hope for this, but I fear that anyone who truly believes that this will have a happy ending, is setting themselves up for tremendous disappointment. There’s always hope, but history tells us that the most likely outcome, is a horrific one.

Aspects of what we know (and don’t know) here are unique enough that I’m not sure there’s sufficient history to tell us anything.

 

[duster1979]

I thought there was a field trip to the fair with her daycare the day after she disappeared on Thursday?

There was. Thursday was the first day anything was going on, Wednesday night there wouldn't have been any reason to go to the fair unless you were showing.

 

[Bravo]

Worley's bump and grab MO didn't work for him the first time but did on his second try. When the corn was tall and in evening light hours. I do not discount this theory. Yet.

 

[BeachSky]

Did LE ever say the pig farmer was cleared? I still find it such a strange happenstance in that area, a convicted stalker and a pretty, young,friendly visiting jogger did not cross paths. He over shared to the press IMO, arms crossed...said LE was searching, he said- they are not going to find anything. Who says that? LE went back twice. I don’t know if it’s the mother in me or my medical background....be curious to read a report on LE’s exchange with him, the poly, etc.
JMO .
Godspeed this child home.

 

[Karen MacLeod]

I completely agree. There’s no such thing as closure, as no one gets over the loss of a child, especially in this way (if the worst has in fact occurred). But not knowing, means that you spend the rest of your life looking for an answer that may never come. Neither option is desirable of course, but from what you generally hear from people in these horrible situations, is that they just want to know what happened.

I agree....nothing worse than losing a child....I know....I lost one....but not to a murder or abduction.....it was a deformity that ran in my ex-spouses' family that no one would warn or discuss about.......even in a case of abduction/murder.....even though they might catch the perp or find evidence, etc......it is really not closure....at least not for me!