IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MyBelle]

He has asked the public that it is not brought into it. Not the other way around. Just to clarify!

I had no problem comprehending his op-ed. Thanks.

 

[MsBetsy]

There's one car, one suspect, one victim.

The suspect was brazen in his abduction of Mollie during daylight hours on a public street. He admits that he was angry when he abducted her, but we don't know why he was angry. Maybe he had a bad day at work. If I had to guess, I suspect that his anger turned to excitement about having a victim. I don't think he was driving around in a confused state wondering what to do next, but rather that he was very clear thinking. If he didn't have a pre-planned body location site, I think he found one very quickly before he started driving with Mollie in his car.

I agree, especially about his anger turning into excitement. He was driven by very strong emotion, to have killed in this manner. I actually think there is a good chance he had the dirt road/cornfield location already picked out. He must have been aware of it, at least. Imo

 

[MyBelle]

Perhaps he did, and just not using the name we know him by. LE may know that information.

That's an interesting point!

 

[MsBetsy]

I had no problem comprehending his op-ed. Thanks.

No problem, from your reply it seemed that you thought it to be his intent, I just didn't want others to think so too.

 

[KaaBoom]

I agree! My heart goes out to him. I just do not think anyone should downplay the fact that this guy was here illegally!

I think we should respect the family's wishes and keep the racism out of it.

 

[Jaclin]

When it comes to the issue of illegal immigration and outspoken comments in the news from grieving parents, I’d prefer to know the sentiments of Mollie’s mother, rather than her father. After all, she hasn’t been the absentee parent for the past 12 years of their three kids’ lives. By all accounts, Jake, Mollie and Scott grew up to be fine young adults, and I dare say most of the credit for that goes to their mother, the custodial parent. She’s probably wise to keep her thoughts to herself and not splashed across headlines, but since her life has been impacted as much - if not more - than anyone else’s, I’d like to know how she’s sorting all of this out.

MTs mother hasn't said much, but from looking at MTs twitter account, I think MT herself would be against making her homicide an argument against illegal immigration.

 

[Chichi baby]

I agree, but in the big scheme of things, I do not think the state of Iowa is going to go after him for no license or insurance. I believe they have enough to keep him behind bars for the rest of his life already. JMO

Oh I totally agree. I'm just stating a fact about his background. He hasnt obeyed the laws yet. Maybe he thinks hes special and laws dont apply to him. IMO

 

[Al Hoffman]

I agree, but in the big scheme of things, I do not think the state of Iowa is going to go after him for no license or insurance. I believe they have enough to keep him behind bars for the rest of his life already. JMO

It's kinda like Arlo Guthery in Alice's Restaurant, when he was on the Group W bench of miscreants, and had to add "AND creating a Public Nuisance" to the charge of Littering to be accepted as an equal.

 

[Gardenista]

Oh I totally agree. I'm just stating a fact about his background. He hasnt obeyed the laws yet. Maybe he thinks hes special and laws dont apply to him. IMO

Great point

 

[zecats]

When it comes to the issue of illegal immigration and outspoken comments in the news from grieving parents, I’d prefer to know the sentiments of Mollie’s mother, rather than her father. After all, she hasn’t been the absentee parent for the past 12 years of their three kids’ lives. By all accounts, Jake, Mollie and Scott grew up to be fine young adults, and I dare say most of the credit for that goes to their mother, the custodial parent. She’s probably wise to keep her thoughts to herself and not splashed across headlines, but since her life has been impacted as much - if not more - than anyone else’s, I’d like to know how she’s sorting all of this out.

I don’t think it’s fair to call her dad an absentee parent. She seems to have spent a lot of time visiting him, was his “best man” in his recent wedding, and had up to 3 hour conversations with him fairly often (weekly?). As for her mom’s influence, the way Mollie presented herself speaks volumes about the way she was raised. Jmo.

 

[JenniD]

That's an interesting point![/QUOTE

I would have thought the same but the news article says they checked their records by facial recognition and nothing came up. So maybe his DL if he has one is from another state. Employer said the ID he provided at time of employment was an out of state issued ID

 

[otto]

When I am very upset, about a major incident (always on my mind), I find I get lost on the road, when carrying out a task: where am I going/why/where do I turn/number of the house etc.
I have been there loads of times before.
I return home, as so flustered, and then fine.
As worried, had my memory tested, and great.

Could CR's blackouts have some truth: after the incident, as so upset/angry etc he forgets other facts?
In CR's case, he forgets (probably lies) the event/killing!!
He perhaps, forgets other details after the event, but includes the 'forgetting of killing' for his defence: stretches forgetfulness.
This, I believe, may just be his 'cover up' trying to explain when interrogated: he has had time, to think of answers.
These are just my thoughts, trying to explain, statements, of 'not remembering parts'.

Why would a predator be "upset" after successfully abducting a young woman? Abductions don't happen by accident. They are deliberate, intentional, and violent. I'm guessing that the predator feels quite a sense of achievement and excitement after an abduction. I can't think of any reason for a predator to forget the time between abduction and murder, but I can think of many reasons why a predator would pretend that he doesn't remember that time interval.

 

[MsBetsy]

CR lived in a remote area and was very careful to fly below LE radar by obeying traffic laws and driving a car not registered to him.

I wonder if he actually did have a license, just not in his name. Like the name his employer knew him by.

 

[SteveP]

I would have thought the same but the news article says they checked their records by facial recognition and nothing came up. So maybe his DL if he has one is from another state. Employer said the ID he provided at time of employment was an out of state issued ID

BBM...Surprise, surprise, surprise. I bet it was checked real closely too. JMO

 

[SteveP]

I wonder if he actually did have a license, just not in his name. Like the name his employer knew him by.

Not one issued by Iowa. They ran facial recognition software and nothing came up for him.

 

[MsBetsy]

I would have thought the same but the news article says they checked their records by facial recognition and nothing came up. So maybe his DL if he has one is from another state. Employer said the ID he provided at time of employment was an out of state issued ID

Maybe he used a license that was provided by whoever helped him get his SS card and it had a different picture? Someone who looked similar? I have no idea if that's possible! However, I thought he did have an altercation with police and that's how they recognized his car in the video. I wish someone else rememembered what that was. I know someone recognized the car by it's unique features, I just can't recall how.

 

[Chichi baby]

Not one issued by Iowa. They ran facial recognition software and nothing came up for him.

Add that to the invalid SS number..

 

[MsBetsy]

I don’t think it’s fair to call her dad an absentee parent. She seems to have spent a lot of time visiting him, was his “best man” in his recent wedding, and had up to 3 hour conversations with him fairly often (weekly?). As for her mom’s influence, the way Mollie presented herself speaks volumes about the way she was raised. Jmo.

Yes, by all accounts they were very close.

 

[MistyWaters]

Just reading about forensic anthropology and how it might be related. The interesting science is widely known for its study of unidentifiable human remains associated to the TV show “Bones”.

Just a guess about this case, given the autopsy results, one of their tasks will be to determine which of the multiple sharp force injuries resulted in death, direction (body position), and if a weapon wasn’t found, what might it have been. In addition any other trauma relating to the bones such as fractures. Anything else?

“In many cases after identity of an individual is made, the forensic anthropologist is called to testify in court regarding the identity of the remains and/or the trauma or wounds present on the remains...”
What is Forensic Anthropology? | Forensic Anthropology Center

 

[SteveP]

Maybe he used a license that was provided by whoever helped him get his SS card and it had a different picture? Someone who looked similar? I have no idea if that's possible! However, I thought he did have an altercation with police and that's how they recognized his car in the video. I wish someone else rememembered what that was. I know someone recognized the car by it's unique features, I just can't recall how.

I recall hearing that story about the car, but perhaps CR was not driving it the previous time. It was not registered to him, so maybe the owner was driving it at that time. JMO