IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[kpm]

Maybe he used a license that was provided by whoever helped him get his SS card and it had a different picture? Someone who looked similar? I have no idea if that's possible! However, I thought he did have an altercation with police and that's how they recognized his car in the video. I wish someone else rememembered what that was. I know someone recognized the car by it's unique features, I just can't recall how.

The police said the car had unique features that they still won’t disclose

I think a patrol car spotted him out and about

 

[mickey2942]

Will a State actually issue a marriage license to someone without legal documentation of citizenship? I find that very hard to believe.

All the time! You don't have to be a United States citizen to get married in the United States.

Heck, all he needs is a birth certificate. From Mexico.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I'm just amazed anyone could drive for four years without getting pulled over! Didn't he have some kind of incident involving police and that's how the cop recognized the car?

I’ve been pulled over exactly once in the past 20 years.

 

[MistyWaters]

The state of Iowa would have prosecuted CR if he had been caught driving with no license and also for the fraudulent I.D and he would likely be deported. Mollie's murder ensures he won't be deported.

At the time of Mollie's murder, there was extreme fear of deportation (still is) because of two other Iowa cases and increased ICE enforcement. I have wondered if CR knew either of the young men or anyone caught in the ICE bust.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-later/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.936c278eee36

On the list of CRs possible motives, that’s one I hadn’t thought about. It would account for his cooperative and voluntary confession as well. Ugg.

 

[Jaclin]

I haven't been pulled over in 10 years, and I drive daily.

I don't think I've been pulled over since 2007, and I drive multiple times nearly daily. knocking on wood.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What does getting married have to do with this case?

 

[Confusion]

I'm probably the only person to believe this, but I think there's a possibility that he hadn't set out that day to abduct or assault anyone. Don't throw any rotten eggs or tomatoes at me, I can't stand either! I was thinking he might just not be creative enough to make up a plausible story, so he more or less told the truth, but blocked out the parts that were hardest to admit to. Before I go any farther, I want to make it clear that what I'm about to say in no way excuses anything he did to MT during or after their encounter.

Maybe he had a lousy day, as many of us do, and decided to go for a drive to let off steam. When he saw MT running down the street looking happy, healthy and determined, it may have made him focus his anger/frustration on her. He drove by her several times while deciding what he wanted to do with her (like did he want to have a girl like her or did he want to destroy the symbol of what was missing in his life?) He really may have been dumb enough to think that she'd stop and talk with him if he approached her (but I really doubt it), but when she threatened to call the police it lit the fuse and he exploded. It wasn't because he was afraid of being deported or going to jail, and it wasn't that he felt rejected; it was more that it was one more frustration (the straw that broke the camel's back?) added to an already miserable day. That could account for why he doesn't appear to have had a plan laid out for what would happen once he got her.

I know many people who have tempers like that, but most haven't gone so far as to actually kill someone, yet. If he knew there was a possibility of totally losing control, he should never have gone near another person if he was in that kind of mood, and at his age, he should be aware of what he's capable of when he loses his temper. As I said, it wouldn't excuse anything he did, but it might help explain some of his weird actions. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

I work as a state licensed and regulated employee for a company about 40 miles from Brooklyn and we all undergo a pretty comprehensive background check including a criminal history background check by DCI. We’ve had multiple instances over the years where a new hire makes it through all of the initial background checks and weeks later turns out to be illegal. I don’t know how they pull it off. A less regulated employer using standard background checks and verification would never have uncovered their illegal status.

Immigration officials are increasing their audits of employers because so many use the same method as CR's employer used.

 

[MsBetsy]

I haven't been pulled over in 10 years, and I drive daily.

I live in a gated community where they just love to pull people over. One Halloween night, after driving around all over the place with a thousand kids everywhere, I got pulled over because I swerved onto the shoulder while handing my daughter her hot chocolate. It was the road near my home, no cars in sight. He gave me a ticket for reckless driving and accused me of drinking alcohol! After driving around with tons of kids in the streets! That same guy pulled me over 10 times in one year.

 

[Deleted member 718]

The arrest affidavit makes a tentative ID through the clothing and location of body. That's all that was required. LE can omit to mention anything else found around her body as unnecessary info. That would go in the evidence file.

Just wondering if there were other items at the crime scene. A blanket, towel or trash bags. Maybe restraints. Anything besides the murder weapon.

 

[MsBetsy]

Still don't see it.

Yes, that's quite the opposite of petite, with long brown hair!

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I live in a gated community where they just love to pull people over. One Halloween night, after driving around all over the place with a thousand kids everywhere, I got pulled over because I swerved onto the shoulder while handing my daughter her hot chocolate. It was the road near my home, no cars in sight. He gave me a ticket for reckless driving and accused me of drinking alcohol! After driving around with tons of kids in the streets! That same guy pulled me over 10 times in one year.

He probably wanted to ask you out but kept chickening out.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I'm probably the only person to believe this, but I think there's a possibility that he hadn't set out that day to abduct or assault anyone. Don't throw any rotten eggs or tomatoes at me, I can't stand either! I was thinking he might just not be creative enough to make up a plausible story, so he more or less told the truth, but blocked out the parts that were hardest to admit to. Before I go any farther, I want to make it clear that what I'm about to say in no way excuses anything he did to MT during or after their encounter.

Maybe he had a lousy day, as many of us do, and decided to go for a drive to let off steam. When he saw MT running down the street looking happy, healthy and determined, it may have made him focus his anger/frustration on her. He drove by her several times while deciding what he wanted to do with her (like did he want to have a girl like her or did he want to destroy the symbol of what was missing in his life?) He really may have been dumb enough to think that she'd stop and talk with him if he approached her (but I really doubt it), but when she threatened to call the police it lit the fuse and he exploded. It wasn't because he was afraid of being deported or going to jail, and it wasn't that he felt rejected; it was more that it was one more frustration (the straw that broke the camel's back?) added to an already miserable day. That could account for why he doesn't appear to have had a plan laid out for what would happen once he got her.

I know many people who have tempers like that, but most haven't gone so far as to actually kill someone, yet. If he knew there was a possibility of totally losing control, he should never have gone near another person if he was in that kind of mood, and at his age, he should be aware of what he's capable of when he loses his temper. As I said, it wouldn't excuse anything he did, but it might help explain some of his weird actions. MOO

Thank you for saying this. I believe you’re spot on.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm probably the only person to believe this, but I think there's a possibility that he hadn't set out that day to abduct or assault anyone. Don't throw any rotten eggs or tomatoes at me, I can't stand either! I was thinking he might just not be creative enough to make up a plausible story, so he more or less told the truth, but blocked out the parts that were hardest to admit to. Before I go any farther, I want to make it clear that what I'm about to say in no way excuses anything he did to MT during or after their encounter.

Maybe he had a lousy day, as many of us do, and decided to go for a drive to let off steam. When he saw MT running down the street looking happy, healthy and determined, it may have made him focus his anger/frustration on her. He drove by her several times while deciding what he wanted to do with her (like did he want to have a girl like her or did he want to destroy the symbol of what was missing in his life?) He really may have been dumb enough to think that she'd stop and talk with him if he approached her (but I really doubt it), but when she threatened to call the police it lit the fuse and he exploded. It wasn't because he was afraid of being deported or going to jail, and it wasn't that he felt rejected; it was more that it was one more frustration (the straw that broke the camel's back?) added to an already miserable day. That could account for why he doesn't appear to have had a plan laid out for what would happen once he got her.

I know many people who have tempers like that, but most haven't gone so far as to actually kill someone, yet. If he knew there was a possibility of totally losing control, he should never have gone near another person if he was in that kind of mood, and at his age, he should be aware of what he's capable of when he loses his temper. As I said, it wouldn't excuse anything he did, but it might help explain some of his weird actions. MOO

I think I understand your point.

You're interested in possible motivations this killer may have had that led to him doing what he did. I'm fine with that.

I'm not sure I can get the kind of detail you have with the information known at this point but who knows, you may have nailed it.

 

[mickey2942]

Thank you for saying this. I believe you’re spot on.

I don't, I believe he was out "hunting". And I believe that he has done it before, and has not been caught.

He wanted to kill, and had a weapon to inflict bodily harm. He is a predator.

 

[MyBelle]

I just checked. In order to obtain a marriage license, a government issued photo ID and social security card is required in addition to a birth certificate. CR's SS and photo ID do not have the same name as his birth certificate.

Marriage Licenses » State of Iowa » Marriage Laws » IA

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Yes, that's quite the opposite of petite, with long brown hair!

Perhaps the monster had prosopagnosia? That's the only way those two girls could look like each other.

 

[Jaclin]

I just could only think of a drivers license as form of identification.( As well as a SS card and passport.) I guess I have never seen a state issued form of identification. (My phone won't let me abbreviate it!) I suppose one would need it if they dont have a license. Obviously he couldn't use a passport!

My grandma never drove. She never learned. My grandpa tried to teach her once, but she was afraid of getting caught or causing an accident. She got the state ID. I don't think it is very common for people to only have a state ID, especially if they live outside of very large cities with excellent public transportation. They look just like regular drivers licenses, except they'll say "Identification Card" instead of "Operator License" at the top of them.

 

[Confusion]

I don't, I believe he was out "hunting". And I believe that he has done it before, and has not been caught.

He wanted to kill, and had a weapon to inflict bodily harm. He is a predator.

Do you have a link to a source for that, or is it just your opinion? I have no idea if he's ever done it before or not, so everything I post is just what I think MAY have happened. I doubt if any of us will ever know for sure what was going on in his head at the time.

 

[Al Hoffman]

A state issued ID isn't the same as a driver's license.

At least in Iowa (and Tennessee) State issued ID cards are issued by the State DMV, and all the info is kept in the same database as State DL's. Also, the requirements and paperwork to get one are as stringent as State DL's, and you must be in the country legally to qualify.

I would suspect that the requirements are the same in all states, with some variation in residency requirements.